Randy,
I'll take that empty discrediting rant as your admission to your inability to contradict anything I have stated with facts to the contrary. You made my point splendidly. I'll let that post define you.
Sandman: "What do you think you have coming from me, SH?"
Simple, quit being such a parasite. Don't call someone a liar unless you can prove that they lied. Don't sink your teeth into what you want to believe based on someone else's inability to prove you wrong. Base your opinions on what you have proven to yourself from your own research. If I didn't do my own research, I'd probably be an R-CULT clone today. Don't expect everyone else to back their statements when you never back yours. If you are going to challenge what someone says, HAVE THE GOODS TO BACK YOUR POSITION. What makes you such a parasite is that you expect everyone to back their position EVERY TIME when you NEVER back your positions.
On this issue, you had absolutely no idea whether I could back my position or not. You shot from the hip believing I couldn't.
Sandman: "You want proof that you lied? Example one; Cargill is private. You don't know their financials. Example two; You can't get financials from Tyson for the period you are talking about, either, as you can't break down quarters. Now, if you are making comments concerning Cargill and Tyson's profits/losses when that information is not available to you or anybody else, you are either lying or BSing. You take your pick."
Oh, so now I'm back to lying again. First you claimed that I lied, then you apologize for saying I lied, now you claim to have proof that I lied, then you turn around and say I either lied or am BSing. We all know who is lying here. It's you, the one who can't keep his story straight.
It was never my obligation to prove my statement, it was your obligation to prove that I lied. That was my mistake. I should have never allowed you to play me like that. I won't repeat that mistake again. Everyone that matters knows how deceptive you are.
As far as my ability to prove my statement IF I CHOOSE TO.......
You are right, Cargill is a private company which makes it more difficult to prove whether they lost more money in their U.S. plants then they made in their Canadian plant.
We were both specific to the NW. and Cargill does not have plants in the NW so that effectively removed them from the equation. I was specific to the NW as were you yet you are still trying to slime your way back to Cargill knowing that it's more difficult to prove than Tyson. Typical of your slithering deceptive ways. Want me to bring back the quote where we were both specific to the NW?
We both eliminated Cargill from the equation when we specified the NW.
Secondly, the reason I made the statement in the first place that you called a lie is because I knew that Tyson's Boise and Pasco plants were losing money big time while the border was closed. I just didn't remember that their heavy losses occurred in Tyson's FY 2005. That was the only mistake I made. You didn't know either way. I also knew that Lakeside was not making as much as many had been led to believe due to the costs of SRM removal on UTM cattle.
I did get enough financial data from Tyson to prove my point that Tyson's Boise and Pasco plants lost more money than Lakeside made. It was confirmed with a phone call to a Tyson representative. Agman posted the plant capacities as Pasco and Boise. I posted the cutbacks in production. I posted the fact that workers were still being paid for a 32 hour week even when plants were running at around 30% of capacity. I posted a quote directly from Tyson's CEO claiming they were losing a lot of money in those plants. I never had the chance to post the Alberta study confirming that profits at Lakeside were less than many had thought. I posted Tyson's total earnings and losses for their entire time period the border was closed. I posted Tyson's statement saying that Lakeside's profits had dwindled to nothing in 2005. The entire picture is painted without the need for individual plant data. The Tyson representative told me that the losses in Pasco and Boise were, in his words, "WAY MORE" than the profits at Lakeside.
I did all that research in response to your calling me a liar which I should have never done. I should have just told you where you could get off.
Now what did you offer to back your claim that I lied?
NOT ONE DAMN THING but further questions and futher challenges TO THE INFORMATION I BROUGHT. You didn't do any research at all. NONE!
All you had to do is pick up the phone and call the Tyson office to confirm but you wouldn't do that because your fragile ego couldn't handle being wrong. You even admit that the bet had to do with the original statement and not calendar year 2004 yet you pretend to have been right with your original challenge because I was wrong about calendar year 2004. ANOTHER "ILLUSION" YOU CREATED. Did you take the money even though you admitted that the bet revolved around my original statement? Of course you did because it was the "PERCEIVED" victory you so desperately needed. You capitalized on my mistake of committing to calendar year 2004 then admitted that the bet revolved around my original statement. That's the type of parasite you are.
You keep demanding individual plant data which is not required to prove the point. BOISE AND PASCO RUNNING AT 30% OF CAPACITY WHILE WORKERS ARE BEING PAID FOR 32 HOURS PER WEEK COMPARED TO THE COST OF SRM REMOVAL IN CANDA IS ALL I NEEDED TO KNOW. My beliefs, based on what I had read previously, were confirmed with my call to Tyson.
You offered nothing to prove me wrong besides your feeble attempt to discredit what I brought. Typical of your parasitic ways. All you can do is challenge and question, because YOU are the one who is truly "factually void"!
~SH~
