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mrj said:
RobertMac, while I don't KNOW that NCBA gives any support to AFF, I'd be proud if they did. I do know there are NCBA members who are also memers of AFF in order to support the good investigative reporting to expose those who would damage the food industries (including cattle producers) in this country.

mrj, thanks for being honest.
Anybody that is open minded and honestly looks at what Dittmer writes, knows he is a propagandist with the goal of destroying R-CALF and the cattle producers in it. It is ironic that these same cattlemen were of highest integrity when they(we) were members of NCA/NCBA. The idea that NCBA should be the only voice of cattle producers in this country goes against the foundation principles of the USA and to support someone whose goal is to silence that opposing voice is reprehensible!
 
nenmrancher, why would rcalf do that? Judging by past action, that board is a law unto themselves. They sure do trash even 'their own' who turn against, or even question their actions.

OT and Sandhusker, the NCBA stand on that bill is OUR MEMBERS' position that they will be damaged if it passes. Because you disagree with those members' position does NOT mean it is a lie to tell how they believe it will affect their business with packers.

Obviously, you have an over-inflated in the importance of your own opinions and feel it should override a 30,000+ and growing member organization. We disagree with you. We can do that WITHOUT calling you liars........even when you so obviously are!

You boys claim to have lots of 'information' about what you also infer is a 'secret' organization. How do you get that information, anyway? Maybe you better check that crystal ball again. Maybe one side of it got too close to a source of hot air. It is definitely off balance and giving you crooked information!

mrj
 
MRJ, "OT and Sandhusker, the NCBA stand on that bill is OUR MEMBERS' position that they will be damaged if it passes. Because you disagree with those members' position does NOT mean it is a lie to tell how they believe it will affect their business with packers"

Oh, it is just publishing the results of some straw poll? :shock: It is NOT your member's position. It is leadership communicating to members and anyone else who will listen falsehoods on the effects of the farm bill. It is your leadership telling you why you should be against the Farm Bill - and they're lying - again. If you can't tell the difference... :roll:

But go ahead and tell us how wonderful NCBA is and all the great things they do for producers.... As long as being truthful isn't a "great thing" you've got an arguement.....
 
Exactly what is your source for that bit of information that MEMBERS have NOT told NCBA they believe your proposed law changes will harm their business?

What is your proof and souce of your claim that it is ONLY "leaders telling (members) why you should be against the Farm Bill"?

BTW, NCBA simply is a very large group of cattle producers working together for the good of our industry, with a few elected (one year terms) leaders and some very good paid staff to do our bidding; not some mythical 'leadership' working overtime to fool us, as you like to paint that picture.

mrj
 
mrj said:
Exactly what is your source for that bit of information that MEMBERS have NOT told NCBA they believe your proposed law changes will harm their business?

What is your proof and souce of your claim that it is ONLY "leaders telling (members) why you should be against the Farm Bill"?

BTW, NCBA simply is a very large group of cattle producers working together for the good of our industry, with a few elected (one year terms) leaders and some very good paid staff to do our bidding; not some mythical 'leadership' working overtime to fool us, as you like to paint that picture.

mrj

So the way it works is that the members read the farm bill, interpret it, and then NCBA takes a poll on what it's members thought and that is what they base their releases on? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Why do you have leaders when all you need is a poll taker?
 
MRJ, "nenmrancher, why would rcalf do that? Judging by past action, that board is a law unto themselves. They sure do trash even 'their own' who turn against, or even question their actions. "

Why don't you step forward and tell us what the board did that was against the bylaws? Bring some of that truthfulness you mention.
 
Sandhusker, it isn't my problem and I'm not particularly interested. But it sure is a problem for some people judging by comments by Dennis Hanson on the Ft. Pierre market report lately, plus the accusations on the swifthorses and swiftstallions websites.......not to mention the lawsuits against former directors and members in MT. Sure must keep the lawyers happy. Where theres' smoke, there just might be fire.

mrj
 
mrj said:
Sandhusker, it isn't my problem and I'm not particularly interested. But it sure is a problem for some people judging by comments by Dennis Hanson on the Ft. Pierre market report lately, plus the accusations on the swifthorses and swiftstallions websites.......not to mention the lawsuits against former directors and members in MT. Sure must keep the lawyers happy. Where theres' smoke, there just might be fire.

mrj

You avoided the question. All in the spirit of Dittmer?
 
nenmrancher said:
Not to stop the childish behavior of name calling and bickering, but is there anyone on here that followed the convention well enough to answer my question?

It was talked about but no action taken.
 
Sandhusker said:
nenmrancher said:
Not to stop the childish behavior of name calling and bickering, but is there anyone on here that followed the convention well enough to answer my question?

It was talked about but no action taken.
Were you there Sadhusker?
 
Say, Sandhusker why doesn't R-Laff have on their website all the great doins' at their convention? As Bill asked, were you there? Would you like to clue us in on all the good things coming out of the convention? I know R-Laff doesn't want any reporters there that will report the truth. They want reporters there that will report what R-Laff wants them to report :roll:

Another thing, members of R-laff still don't have a clue about the financial status of R-Laff. They seem to get the run around....seems to me the board is an elitist group and they call the shots :roll:
 
Hanta Yo said:
Say, Sandhusker why doesn't R-Laff have on their website all the great doins' at their convention? As Bill asked, were you there? Would you like to clue us in on all the good things coming out of the convention? I know R-Laff doesn't want any reporters there that will report the truth. They want reporters there that will report what R-Laff wants them to report :roll:

Another thing, members of R-laff still don't have a clue about the financial status of R-Laff. They seem to get the run around....seems to me the board is an elitist group and they call the shots :roll:

Why isn't NCBA (North American Corporate Beef Assn) truthful about the Farm Bill? You worry about your organization's problems with honesty and I'll worry about my organization's financials.
 
The gestapo is here!!!!!!!!!!!!



Summary of R-CALF Convention:
For the first time in R-CALF history two security guards were hired to remove anyone who didn't adhere to Bullard and Thornsberry's control of the convention. It is believed these guards were hired to intimidate and prevent any questions regarding the litigation that R-CALF has filed against former members and leaders. The rules established at the onset of the meeting made it impossible for anyone to demand answers to questions regarding these lawsuits.

We received this report from an attendee at the meeting:



Less than 60 people at the membership session. Never more than 100 at any meeting. They told the press they expected 400 - 500. Most were from South Dakota.



No financials were given to the membership. The policy to remove directors without cause was "steamrolled" through. Directors can now be removed without explanation. It was predicted that at least one director who has been questioning the financial expenditures of R-CALF will be summarily removed immediately.



If members want information they have to go to the Billings office to get it OR they can contact their directors for what they want but were reminded that their directors are under "binding" confidentiality agreements.



The rules of the convention were laid down. Members were warned about making any abusive statements, harsh words, accusations, negativity, disruption, etc. A member described it as McCarthyism. Security guards were present. Members were told that if they didn't obey the convention rules the convention chair would have security remove them.



A tribute to Joel Franz was held at the evening banquet. Shae Dodson conducted the ceremony at which time she said Franz was the ONLY person who had the courage to expose "the actions of the former R-CALF president" who compromised the cattlemen's Canadian lawsuit and he did so by divulging the "two USDA letters". See the above paragraph for how the rules applied.



The setting was described as Kathleen Kelley's, Max Thornsberry's and Bill Bullard's empire.



The lawsuit against Kiker, McDonald and Wooster never came up. Financial questions were not answered. Only directors received financial reports and they are under "binding" confidentiality agreements.



Members of the press determined as "unfriendly" were escorted out of the convention by security guards.



Everyone else felt threatened by the same possibility if they chose to speak their opinion. Thus, several who attended the convention in hopes of getting answers to their questions about the lawsuits were fearful to do so at the risk of being publicly humiliated and embarrassed.
 
Sandhusker said:
And who's journalistic gem is that? Another chickenshit who won't stand behind their accuastions?

Is that all you have? The purpose behind my posting here is that NCBA represents membership, so does our MSGA, but the R-Laff BOD don't. They have their own agenda and anyone who crosses them gets the boot, one way or t'other. I think that is a chicken way to run things....don't have to answer questions, don't have to be accountable to membership. IMHO that just reeks to high heaven. I know you members who belong to R-Laff are like cultists, you are totally brainwashed. I feel sorry for that sad state of affairs. Nothing anyone can do to convince you otherwise. At least I can post some truths for others to read and hopefully open some eyes.
 
I was there. The story has a lot of half truths. It is very misleading.

As for Dittmer. He certainly didn't give the whole picture either.

So Hanta Yo, what are your credentials for possessing the truth of the situation?
 
Hanta Yo said:
At least I can post some truths for others to read and hopefully open some eyes.

You post something and won't give the source...then talk about "truths"...you're delusional!!! I'm sure you are with mrj and proud to associate with a hack like Dittmer...sad!
 
Hanta, all you posted is the sour grapes of some sore loser who didn't have the nards to stand behind their accusations. In short, a crybaby chickenshit. I'd hate to be the guy who broke up with those, they're the kind who would follow you around town, key your car, pull some crap straight out of the movie "Fatal Attraction"....

Kiker screwed up. He went out on his own and did what his bosses told him not to to. He got fired, same as what would happen in the business world. Your RabidHorses needs to get a grip on reality and learn what happens in the adult world. If membership didn't like what the directors were doing, they would vote them out.

If you want to post some truths, try correcting what your NCBA said about the Farm Bill. You're worried about what the other guys are saying to their membership when your outfit is lying to the world?
 

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