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1. WOULD THE BSE TESTS CREEKSTONE WANTED TO USE REVEAL BSE PRIONS IN CATTLE UNDER 24 MONTHS OF AGE?

Yes or no?

Does not matter. Who cares? If the Japanese wanted it, why should you or the USDA to say no?

2. WOULD JAPANESE CONSUMERS WHO BOUGHT "BSE TESTED BEEF" ASSUME THAT IT WAS "BSE FREE"?

Yes or no?

Who cares? Are you going to tell the Japanese what they should do? If the Japanese wanted to test for BSE and the test was not harmful then who cares? Maybe your kind of thinking is why it took so long to get those markets back. You are so arrogant.
 
1. WOULD THE BSE TESTS CREEKSTONE WANTED TO USE REVEAL BSE PRIONS IN CATTLE UNDER 24 MONTHS OF AGE?

Yes, if prions were there, they could be found.

2. WOULD JAPANESE CONSUMERS WHO BOUGHT "BSE TESTED BEEF" ASSUME THAT IT WAS "BSE FREE"?

Yes, it is as free as can possibly be. Much safer than untested beef which implies that it could be harboring BSE. To the Japs, that is.
 
SH:
The USDA was smart not to give it's consent to a test that implied BSE FREE as opposed to a test that really offered a guarantee of being BSE FREE.

On this one, the arrogance of the USDA is about on par with yours. The USDA knows the efficacy of BSE tests :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Econ101 said:
1. WOULD THE BSE TESTS CREEKSTONE WANTED TO USE REVEAL BSE PRIONS IN CATTLE UNDER 24 MONTHS OF AGE?

Yes or no?

Does not matter. Who cares? If the Japanese wanted it, why should you or the USDA to say no?

2. WOULD JAPANESE CONSUMERS WHO BOUGHT "BSE TESTED BEEF" ASSUME THAT IT WAS "BSE FREE"?

Yes or no?

Who cares? Are you going to tell the Japanese what they should do? If the Japanese wanted to test for BSE and the test was not harmful the who cares? Maybe your kind of thinking is why it took so long to get those markets back.

Econ101-- I can just see it now...The gopher trapper funded by the good old boys outfit (NCBA) going over to that backwards country of Japan to "educate them thar folks" that their testing is no good and they are wasting their time and money...Do it our way or else....... :wink:

What an arrogant ---............
 
Remember guys that Japan is trying to back out of it's 100% testing.

Obviously they have, or they wouldn't have approved the importation of untested beef!

I bet that is hard to do after selling the consumer on false science, eh?

Might have been more beneficial to take the short term loss and be rewarded with the long term gain!

Having tunnel vision isn't too rewarding in the long-term.
 
Murgen said:
Remember guys that Japan is trying to back out of it's 100% testing.

Obviously they have, or they wouldn't have approved the importation of untested beef!

I bet that is hard to do after selling the consumer on false science, eh?

Might have been more beneficial to take the short term loss and be rewarded with the long term gain!

Having tunnel vision isn't too rewarding in the long-term.

What if they hadn't tested all and found many of those cattle- including the 21 month old- and 10-15-20 years from now more Japanese begin dying from vCJD? Where is the long term gain? What kind of loss would there be then?
 
What if they hadn't tested all and found many of those cattle- including the 21 month old- and 10-15-20 years from now more Japanese begin dying from vCJD? Where is the long term gain? What kind of loss would there be then?

Actually, I think they tried that in the UK. Over 10 years ago.

When did Japan stop importing MBM from the UK? When was their ban started? If you believe in the MBM theory?

And the difference in Japan, in finding them all was also the test they were using! (same as Canada's, I think, different than the US's)

Maybe there has been a trust issue, combined with a political issue in accepting Canadian beef over US beef. But you know all about those political issues, don't you OT? (do as we say, not as we do!)
 
Conman: "Does not matter. Who cares? If the Japanese wanted it, why should you or the USDA to say no?"

IT DOES MATTER!

IF U.S. CONSUMERS WANT A CERTAIN DRUG THAT WAS TESTED AND APPROVED BY A PRIVATE COMPANY, WHY SHOULD FDA SAY NO????

SAME STUPID LOGIC!

First there isn't one stitch of proof to suggest that Japan would have ever allowed BSE tested beef from the United States making this argument moot.

Second, selling BSE tested beef FROM A TEST THAT WOULD NOT REVEAL PRIONS IN CATTLE UNDER 24 MONTHS OF AGE, is CONSUMER FRAUD, PERIOD!

Third, Japan would have paid us less to cover the costs of testing. We would have had to absorb the costs of fraudulent testing.

Fourth, Japan has allowed imports without testing saving us those costs and we don't have to tell our consumers why we are testing for Japan and not for them.

I thank my lucky stars every day that ignorance like you possess is not running USDA.


Conman: "Who cares? Are you going to tell the Japanese what they should do? If the Japanese wanted to test for BSE and the test was not harmful then who cares?"

No, the Japanese can do what they want but I'll be damed if the USDA should promote fraudulent BSE testing that would not reveal prions in cattle under 24 months of age.


Conman: "Maybe your kind of thinking is why it took so long to get those markets back."

You don't have any proof that the Japanese government would have allowed BSE tested beef just like you never have proof to back anything you vomit.


Conman: "You are so arrogant."

I'm not the ass that thinks he needs to save the feeding industry from their pricing mechanisms or the consumers from their labels.

You wrote the book on arrogance.


Mike: "Yes, if prions were there, they could be found."

Wrong! Creekstone admitted that their tests would not reveal prions in cattle under 24 months of age which is precisely why Fielding said, "BSE TESTED" does not mean "BSE FREE".

Why would he say that if the tests he planned to use could find BSE prions if they were there?

You fool nobody Mike.


Mike: "Much safer than untested beef which implies that it could be harboring BSE."

It's no safer than untested beef BECAUSE THE TESTS CREEKSTONE WANTED TO USE WOULD NOT HAVE REVEALED PRIONS IN CATTLE UNDER 24 MONTHS OF AGE and they admitted that. It only creates the "PERCEPTION" of safety. FRAUD! DECEPTION!

Someone says they have a BSE test that will reveal prions in urine and you sink your teeth into it without giving it a second thought. GOSH, PERHAPS USDA NEEDS TO HIRE YOU AND SEND THEIR FLUNKIES BACK TO SCHOOL HUH? Good grief!

Why would you test for something that is not going to be found? Makes absolutely no sense other than to take advantage of a few brain washed Japanese.


OT: "Econ101-- I can just see it now...The gopher trapper funded by the good old boys outfit (NCBA) going over to that backwards country of Japan to "educate them thar folks" that their testing is no good and they are wasting their time and money...Do it our way or else....... "

I can see it now...the old turbin wearing R-CULT supporter trying to explain to the Japanese consumer why he was selling BSE tested beef in Japan from cattle under 24 months of age while using a BSE test that wouldn't reveal prions in cattle under 24 months of age.

TORA TORA TORA!

Old Timer is no more!


BMR: "Remember guys that Japan is trying to back out of it's 100% testing."

These guys are still living in the past.


This whole thing is a moot point until someone can prove that Japan would have taken BSE tested beef from the U.S. and then it's a moot point to an opened border. Blamers need something to bitch about.


~SH~
 
Dumbass - where is the fraud when IT'S THEIR %&^&^ LAW!

Maybe you should post YOUR defnition of fraud - it obviously isn't the same one the rest of the world uses.
 
If it's their law, why are we sending them NON TESTED BEEF?

Once again, the obvious is too obvious.

Where is your proof that Japan would have ever allowed BSE tested beef from the U.S.? That doesn't exist either.


Sandbag: "Maybe you should post YOUR defnition of fraud - it obviously isn't the same one the rest of the world uses."

Deceiving consumers into believing that "BSE TESTED" means "BSE FREE".

Lying about BSE to stop Canadian imports.

You and the deceptive organization you support define fraud.



~SH~
 
~SH~ said:
If it's their law, why are we sending them NON TESTED BEEF?

Once again, the obvious is too obvious.

Where is your proof that Japan would have ever allowed BSE tested beef from the U.S.? That doesn't exist either.


Sandbag: "Maybe you should post YOUR defnition of fraud - it obviously isn't the same one the rest of the world uses."

Deceiving consumers into believing that "BSE TESTED" means "BSE FREE".

Lying about BSE to stop Canadian imports.

You and the deceptive organization you support define fraud.



~SH~

Didn't you yourself post Fielding of Creekstone's direct quote the other day, "BSE tested does not mean BSE free"? Is that hard to understand? He makes that statement and you still claim he is involved in deception? :roll:

You claim your "onlybias is the truth" and then stump this "deception" nonsense? :lol: :lol: :lol:

You're something else, SH. Entertainment certainly, common sense certainly not.
 
Sandbag: "Didn't you yourself post Fielding of Creekstone's direct quote the other day, "BSE tested does not mean BSE free"? Is that hard to understand?"

Not at all. Fielding didn't tell Japanese consumers that "BSE TESTED" does not mean "BSE FREE". He wanted to capitalize on their ignorance. To their credit, USDA wouldn't stand for it. The test Creekstone was using would not reveal BSE prions in cattle under 24 months of age so there is no reason to test.


Sandbag: "He makes that statement and you still claim he is involved in deception?"

He didn't make his statement to the Japanese consumer nor did he plan to label his beef "BSE TESTED BUT NOT GUARANTEED BSE FREE".

He wanted to capitalize on the fear of the Japanese consumer PROVIDING THE GOVERNMENT WOULD HAVE EVEN ALLOWED IT.

This dog never did hunt and it sure as hell doesn't hunt now.



~SH~
 
~SH~ said:
Not at all. Fielding didn't tell Japanese consumers that "BSE TESTED" does not mean "BSE FREE". He wanted to capitalize on their ignorance.



~SH~

I don't know why I ever comment to anything you post--BUT--

Your apparent lack of understanding of the world now allows me to understand how you can consistently make ignorant and worthless posts......
 
OT,

When you can bring facts to the table that contradict anything I have stated and prove me wrong, then you will be taken seriously. Until that time, you are just one more packer blaming, usda blaming, ncba blaming cheap talkin' R-CULT clone. Give that turbin another wrap OT, you are bought and paid for. PEER PRESSURE HUH? Want to join the blamers at the bar rather than let truth and facts guide you.


~SH~
 
SH, "Not at all. Fielding didn't tell Japanese consumers that "BSE TESTED" does not mean "BSE FREE". He wanted to capitalize on their ignorance. To their credit, USDA wouldn't stand for it. "

You're living in a fanstasy world, SH. You think the Japanese consumer is ignorant on BSE? Good grief. OT is right, your understanding of the outside world is nil.

So the USDA is concerned about the Japanese consumer's ignorance? The lengths at which you will go to justify your nonsense truly is amazing, SH.

You're a dandy.
 
Oldtimer said:
Murgen said:
Remember guys that Japan is trying to back out of it's 100% testing.

Obviously they have, or they wouldn't have approved the importation of untested beef!

I bet that is hard to do after selling the consumer on false science, eh?

Might have been more beneficial to take the short term loss and be rewarded with the long term gain!

Having tunnel vision isn't too rewarding in the long-term.

What if they hadn't tested all and found many of those cattle- including the 21 month old- and 10-15-20 years from now more Japanese begin dying from vCJD? Where is the long term gain? What kind of loss would there be then?
Oldtimer when was the 21 month old animal found? That seems to contradict this article dated today.

New case of mad cow hits Japan

GDO Report

Japan has confirmed another case of mad cow disease, a news report said on Sunday, as the country prepares to ease a two-year ban on US beef imports that was triggered by concerns about the safety of American meat.
Japan's agricultural ministry over the weekend confirmed that a cow died last week of the illness, also called bovine spongiform encephalopathy, on the main northern island of Hokkaido, Kyodo News agency reported.

Ministry officials were not available for comment on Sunday.

After the United State reported its first case of mad cow disease in December 2003, Japan halted US beef sales and a bitter trade row broke out between the two countries.

Japan has reported a total of 21 mad cow cases, and the United States, two.

The confirmation of Japan's latest case came on the eve of the expected resumption of limited US imports.

Last week, Japan's Food Safety Commission declared beef from young American cattle safe, paving the way for the government to open the market to meat from cows younger than 21 months.

The commission will send its conclusions to the Health and Agriculture ministries, which will make a final recommendation to the government.

Media said the Cabinet could decide to ease the ban as early as Monday.

However, commission members said that the safety of American beef would depend on US inspectors following strict guidelines, like removing brain and spinal cord material from meat products.

Japan has reported more mad cow cases than the United States - but it tests every domestic cow that goes to the slaughterhouse, while the US doesn't conduct universal testing.

Tokyo had initially demanded that the United States test every cow before resuming trade.

But US authorities balked at the cost of testing the huge American herd, and said it was not scientifically necessary.

After protracted negotiations, the two sides decided to allow the resumption of beef from cows younger than 21 months, agreeing that no mad cow cases have been found in cattle that age.
It is believed that eating beef from cattle infected with mad cow disease can cause the fatal brain-wasting disorder in humans.
 
Bill said:
Oldtimer said:
Murgen said:
Obviously they have, or they wouldn't have approved the importation of untested beef!

I bet that is hard to do after selling the consumer on false science, eh?

Might have been more beneficial to take the short term loss and be rewarded with the long term gain!

Having tunnel vision isn't too rewarding in the long-term.

What if they hadn't tested all and found many of those cattle- including the 21 month old- and 10-15-20 years from now more Japanese begin dying from vCJD? Where is the long term gain? What kind of loss would there be then?
Oldtimer when was the 21 month old animal found? That seems to contradict this article dated today.

New case of mad cow hits Japan

GDO Report

Japan has confirmed another case of mad cow disease, a news report said on Sunday, as the country prepares to ease a two-year ban on US beef imports that was triggered by concerns about the safety of American meat.
Japan's agricultural ministry over the weekend confirmed that a cow died last week of the illness, also called bovine spongiform encephalopathy, on the main northern island of Hokkaido, Kyodo News agency reported.

Ministry officials were not available for comment on Sunday.

After the United State reported its first case of mad cow disease in December 2003, Japan halted US beef sales and a bitter trade row broke out between the two countries.

Japan has reported a total of 21 mad cow cases, and the United States, two.

The confirmation of Japan's latest case came on the eve of the expected resumption of limited US imports.

Last week, Japan's Food Safety Commission declared beef from young American cattle safe, paving the way for the government to open the market to meat from cows younger than 21 months.

The commission will send its conclusions to the Health and Agriculture ministries, which will make a final recommendation to the government.

Media said the Cabinet could decide to ease the ban as early as Monday.

However, commission members said that the safety of American beef would depend on US inspectors following strict guidelines, like removing brain and spinal cord material from meat products.

Japan has reported more mad cow cases than the United States - but it tests every domestic cow that goes to the slaughterhouse, while the US doesn't conduct universal testing.

Tokyo had initially demanded that the United States test every cow before resuming trade.

But US authorities balked at the cost of testing the huge American herd, and said it was not scientifically necessary.

After protracted negotiations, the two sides decided to allow the resumption of beef from cows younger than 21 months, agreeing that no mad cow cases have been found in cattle that age.
It is believed that eating beef from cattle infected with mad cow disease can cause the fatal brain-wasting disorder in humans.





Japan BSE panel strives to reopen door to U.S. beef
The Japan Times: Sept. 7, 2004

A key advisory panel on mad cow disease called on the government Monday to ease its stance on testing of the disease in a manner that would clear the way for a resumption in imports of U.S. beef.

The ad hoc panel on bovine spongiform encephalopathy, a subcommittee of the governmental Food Safety Commission, made the recommendation on grounds that BSE cannot be detected in cows aged 20 months or younger using the current testing method, panel members said.

The recommendation effectively calls on the government to exclude beef cattle under this age from tests for the brain-wasting disease, marking a de facto U-turn from the country's three-year-old wholesale testing regime. If the commission endorses the recommendation, the government will launch deliberations on ending the wholesale testing program, which has been in place since October 2001.

Chief Cabinet Secretary Hiroyuki Hosoda said earlier in the day that the government will try to use the recommendation as the panel has been examining the matter from a scientific viewpoint.

Japan banned beef from the United States after the first U.S. case of mad cow disease was uncovered in December. Tokyo insisted that U.S. beef cattle be tested for BSE in the same way as cattle in Japan.

The government has thus far confirmed 11 BSE-infected cows in Japan, the youngest of which was 21 months old, and therefore believes 20 months would be the age limit to win public acceptance, government officials said.

In the U.S., about 80 percent of beef animals are slaughtered before they reach the age of 20 months. Most U.S. beef would thus become exportable to Japan if cows younger than 20 months were to be excluded from the test.

In the event of the commission's endorsement of the recommendation, Japan and the U.S. will hold a meeting of senior government officials, possibly later this month, to discuss ways to resume U.S. beef imports, government officials said.

It is still unclear, however, if U.S. beef importing will be restarted by year's end, as consumer groups in Japan are calling on the government to maintain the wholesale testing program, while Washington is demanding a wider scope of exclusion.

The United States, which had wanted Japan to remove beef cattle aged up to 30 months from the test, has recently said that beef cattle younger than 24 months must be excluded.

Washington has also tilted toward Japan's demand for removing and disposing of the brains and spinal cords of all cattle, which are thought to be the most likely parts to be contaminated with BSE, to prevent them from reaching consumers.

At present, these parts of cows older than 30 months are to be removed in the U.S. But the United States is unlikely to make further concessions and accept the exclusion of cows aged 20 months or younger, sources said.

 
Bill- The 9th positive case found in Japan - found in 2003 was a 21 month old according to the OIE.......

But don't tell that to SH--As his factual knowledge says that the tests won't work on anything younger than 30 months- and as we all know he can never be wrong :wink: :lol: :lol:
 

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