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SH- Why are the Japanese still testing everything they slaughter?
1. WOULD THE BSE TESTS CREEKSTONE WANTED TO USE REVEAL BSE PRIONS IN CATTLE UNDER 24 MONTHS OF AGE?
Yes, if prions were there, they could be found.
2. WOULD JAPANESE CONSUMERS WHO BOUGHT "BSE TESTED BEEF" ASSUME THAT IT WAS "BSE FREE"?
Yes, it is as free as can possibly be. Much safer than untested beef which implies that it could be harboring BSE. To the Japs, that is.
The USDA was smart not to give it's consent to a test that implied BSE FREE as opposed to a test that really offered a guarantee of being BSE FREE.
Econ101 said:1. WOULD THE BSE TESTS CREEKSTONE WANTED TO USE REVEAL BSE PRIONS IN CATTLE UNDER 24 MONTHS OF AGE?
Yes or no?
Does not matter. Who cares? If the Japanese wanted it, why should you or the USDA to say no?
2. WOULD JAPANESE CONSUMERS WHO BOUGHT "BSE TESTED BEEF" ASSUME THAT IT WAS "BSE FREE"?
Yes or no?
Who cares? Are you going to tell the Japanese what they should do? If the Japanese wanted to test for BSE and the test was not harmful the who cares? Maybe your kind of thinking is why it took so long to get those markets back.
Remember guys that Japan is trying to back out of it's 100% testing.
Murgen said:Remember guys that Japan is trying to back out of it's 100% testing.
Obviously they have, or they wouldn't have approved the importation of untested beef!
I bet that is hard to do after selling the consumer on false science, eh?
Might have been more beneficial to take the short term loss and be rewarded with the long term gain!
Having tunnel vision isn't too rewarding in the long-term.
What if they hadn't tested all and found many of those cattle- including the 21 month old- and 10-15-20 years from now more Japanese begin dying from vCJD? Where is the long term gain? What kind of loss would there be then?
Conman: "Does not matter. Who cares? If the Japanese wanted it, why should you or the USDA to say no?"
Conman: "Who cares? Are you going to tell the Japanese what they should do? If the Japanese wanted to test for BSE and the test was not harmful then who cares?"
Conman: "Maybe your kind of thinking is why it took so long to get those markets back."
Conman: "You are so arrogant."
Mike: "Yes, if prions were there, they could be found."
Mike: "Much safer than untested beef which implies that it could be harboring BSE."
OT: "Econ101-- I can just see it now...The gopher trapper funded by the good old boys outfit (NCBA) going over to that backwards country of Japan to "educate them thar folks" that their testing is no good and they are wasting their time and money...Do it our way or else....... "
BMR: "Remember guys that Japan is trying to back out of it's 100% testing."
Sandbag: "Maybe you should post YOUR defnition of fraud - it obviously isn't the same one the rest of the world uses."
~SH~ said:If it's their law, why are we sending them NON TESTED BEEF?
Once again, the obvious is too obvious.
Where is your proof that Japan would have ever allowed BSE tested beef from the U.S.? That doesn't exist either.
Sandbag: "Maybe you should post YOUR defnition of fraud - it obviously isn't the same one the rest of the world uses."
Deceiving consumers into believing that "BSE TESTED" means "BSE FREE".
Lying about BSE to stop Canadian imports.
You and the deceptive organization you support define fraud.
~SH~
Sandbag: "Didn't you yourself post Fielding of Creekstone's direct quote the other day, "BSE tested does not mean BSE free"? Is that hard to understand?"
Sandbag: "He makes that statement and you still claim he is involved in deception?"
~SH~ said:Not at all. Fielding didn't tell Japanese consumers that "BSE TESTED" does not mean "BSE FREE". He wanted to capitalize on their ignorance.
~SH~
Oldtimer when was the 21 month old animal found? That seems to contradict this article dated today.Oldtimer said:Murgen said:Remember guys that Japan is trying to back out of it's 100% testing.
Obviously they have, or they wouldn't have approved the importation of untested beef!
I bet that is hard to do after selling the consumer on false science, eh?
Might have been more beneficial to take the short term loss and be rewarded with the long term gain!
Having tunnel vision isn't too rewarding in the long-term.
What if they hadn't tested all and found many of those cattle- including the 21 month old- and 10-15-20 years from now more Japanese begin dying from vCJD? Where is the long term gain? What kind of loss would there be then?
New case of mad cow hits Japan
GDO Report
Japan has confirmed another case of mad cow disease, a news report said on Sunday, as the country prepares to ease a two-year ban on US beef imports that was triggered by concerns about the safety of American meat.
Japan's agricultural ministry over the weekend confirmed that a cow died last week of the illness, also called bovine spongiform encephalopathy, on the main northern island of Hokkaido, Kyodo News agency reported.
Ministry officials were not available for comment on Sunday.
After the United State reported its first case of mad cow disease in December 2003, Japan halted US beef sales and a bitter trade row broke out between the two countries.
Japan has reported a total of 21 mad cow cases, and the United States, two.
The confirmation of Japan's latest case came on the eve of the expected resumption of limited US imports.
Last week, Japan's Food Safety Commission declared beef from young American cattle safe, paving the way for the government to open the market to meat from cows younger than 21 months.
The commission will send its conclusions to the Health and Agriculture ministries, which will make a final recommendation to the government.
Media said the Cabinet could decide to ease the ban as early as Monday.
However, commission members said that the safety of American beef would depend on US inspectors following strict guidelines, like removing brain and spinal cord material from meat products.
Japan has reported more mad cow cases than the United States - but it tests every domestic cow that goes to the slaughterhouse, while the US doesn't conduct universal testing.
Tokyo had initially demanded that the United States test every cow before resuming trade.
But US authorities balked at the cost of testing the huge American herd, and said it was not scientifically necessary.
After protracted negotiations, the two sides decided to allow the resumption of beef from cows younger than 21 months, agreeing that no mad cow cases have been found in cattle that age.
It is believed that eating beef from cattle infected with mad cow disease can cause the fatal brain-wasting disorder in humans.
Bill said:Oldtimer when was the 21 month old animal found? That seems to contradict this article dated today.Oldtimer said:Murgen said:Obviously they have, or they wouldn't have approved the importation of untested beef!
I bet that is hard to do after selling the consumer on false science, eh?
Might have been more beneficial to take the short term loss and be rewarded with the long term gain!
Having tunnel vision isn't too rewarding in the long-term.
What if they hadn't tested all and found many of those cattle- including the 21 month old- and 10-15-20 years from now more Japanese begin dying from vCJD? Where is the long term gain? What kind of loss would there be then?
New case of mad cow hits Japan
GDO Report
Japan has confirmed another case of mad cow disease, a news report said on Sunday, as the country prepares to ease a two-year ban on US beef imports that was triggered by concerns about the safety of American meat.
Japan's agricultural ministry over the weekend confirmed that a cow died last week of the illness, also called bovine spongiform encephalopathy, on the main northern island of Hokkaido, Kyodo News agency reported.
Ministry officials were not available for comment on Sunday.
After the United State reported its first case of mad cow disease in December 2003, Japan halted US beef sales and a bitter trade row broke out between the two countries.
Japan has reported a total of 21 mad cow cases, and the United States, two.
The confirmation of Japan's latest case came on the eve of the expected resumption of limited US imports.
Last week, Japan's Food Safety Commission declared beef from young American cattle safe, paving the way for the government to open the market to meat from cows younger than 21 months.
The commission will send its conclusions to the Health and Agriculture ministries, which will make a final recommendation to the government.
Media said the Cabinet could decide to ease the ban as early as Monday.
However, commission members said that the safety of American beef would depend on US inspectors following strict guidelines, like removing brain and spinal cord material from meat products.
Japan has reported more mad cow cases than the United States - but it tests every domestic cow that goes to the slaughterhouse, while the US doesn't conduct universal testing.
Tokyo had initially demanded that the United States test every cow before resuming trade.
But US authorities balked at the cost of testing the huge American herd, and said it was not scientifically necessary.
After protracted negotiations, the two sides decided to allow the resumption of beef from cows younger than 21 months, agreeing that no mad cow cases have been found in cattle that age.
It is believed that eating beef from cattle infected with mad cow disease can cause the fatal brain-wasting disorder in humans.