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So are you RCALFERS happy with Obama

Reader said:
Sandhusker said:
Reader said:
Are you happy the Dems won and that Obama is the Pres elect?
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Did R-CALF endorse Obama?
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That is not the question. I just wanted to know your opinion.
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Actually, my wife is about to throw me out of the house because I'm ranting about the gullibility of anybody who voted for that snake. I think our country just opened the door to the enemy and have him the keys to the castle.
 
Sandhusker said:
Reader said:
Sandhusker said:
Did R-CALF endorse Obama?
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That is not the question. I just wanted to know your opinion.
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Actually, my wife is about to throw me out of the house because I'm ranting about the gullibility of anybody who voted for that snake. I think our country just opened the door to the enemy and have him the keys to the castle.
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I agree my friend. There is much more all of us cattlemen have in common than not.
 
Why would you think just because someone is a member of R-CALF, they are liberal? We do have an occasional bad apple...Oldtimer :roll: :roll: , but most people in production ag are traditional conservatives.
 
Kato said:
Probably got something to do with protectionist attitudes.
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It looks like you're struggling a bit with using the proper words. For your benefit, here is the definition of the word "protectionist".

Economics. the theory, practice, or system of fostering or developing domestic industries by protecting them from foreign competition through duties or quotas imposed on importations.

I looked through R-CALF's archives and found nothing about duties or quotas. Maybe you've got a link?
 
Kato said:
If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

Then it's a duck. :wink:
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Most people have a dictionary for a couple of reasons. One of them is so that they can use the proper word for the proper situation.
 
Sandhusker said:
Kato said:
If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

Then it's a duck. :wink:
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Most people have a dictionary for a couple of reasons. One of them is so that they can use the proper word for the proper situation.
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I guess if you don't know how to use a dictionary, you just start a redneck organization headed up by a self-serving bunch whose idea of action is to hire a bunch of knothead lawyers to sue everybody who challenges you . . . . . .and lose and lose and lose . . . not to mention wasting millions of dollars.

You protectionist losers.
 
You didn't notice that I was the one who posted an acutal defintion?

I see you using the word "protectionist" incorrectly as well. You don't have Webster's up there?
 
As usual SH, you and Noah have it wrong yet again. The word used in economics circles is "protectionism", not "protectionist".

The only real dictionary of the English language, The Oxford English Dictionary, defines protectionism as:

'The theory or practice of shielding a country's domestic industries from foreign competition by taxing imports."

R-CALF represents an upgraded form of protectionism. No need to tax imports when you can prevent them altogether. Semantics are what politicians and weasels hide behind. What's your excuse?

However, just to keep you happy, I personally prefer to think of R-CALF as a bunch of short-sighted, narrow-minded isolationists.

"Isolationism - a policy of remaining apart from the affairs or interests of other groups, especially the political affairs of other countries."

Y'all just don't seem to get that 'e pluribus unum' is a darned good motto that just needs a little expansion of the mind and borders in a global economy.

At the end of the day I fear Obama will suit you just fine.
 
RobertMac said:
Why would you think just because someone is a member of R-CALF, they are liberal? We do have an occasional bad apple...Oldtimer :roll: :roll: , but most people in production ag are traditional conservatives.
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It seems there is more in common with Dems than other ag groups. Plus Farmers Union is definately lib and they seem to be pretty big partners with one another.
 
Shaft said:
As usual SH, you and Noah have it wrong yet again. The word used in economics circles is "protectionism", not "protectionist".

The only real dictionary of the English language, The Oxford English Dictionary, defines protectionism as:

'The theory or practice of shielding a country's domestic industries from foreign competition by taxing imports."

R-CALF represents an upgraded form of protectionism. No need to tax imports when you can prevent them altogether. Semantics are what politicians and weasels hide behind. What's your excuse?

However, just to keep you happy, I personally prefer to think of R-CALF as a bunch of short-sighted, narrow-minded isolationists.

"Isolationism - a policy of remaining apart from the affairs or interests of other groups, especially the political affairs of other countries."

Y'all just don't seem to get that 'e pluribus unum' is a darned good motto that just needs a little expansion of the mind and borders in a global economy.

At the end of the day I fear Obama will suit you just fine.
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I don't undershand how, even when you have the definition for the word handy, you still choose to use it incorrectly. Maybe you just like the sound of saying "big" words? I'll give you credit and say that you just don't know what R-CALF is actually trying to do, because I've seen so much fear-based miinformation up there that I believe that to be the case in most instances.
 
Shaft said:
As usual SH, you and Noah have it wrong yet again. The word used in economics circles is "protectionism", not "protectionist".

The only real dictionary of the English language, The Oxford English Dictionary, defines protectionism as:

'The theory or practice of shielding a country's domestic industries from foreign competition by taxing imports."

R-CALF represents an upgraded form of protectionism. No need to tax imports when you can prevent them altogether. Semantics are what politicians and weasels hide behind. What's your excuse?

However, just to keep you happy, I personally prefer to think of R-CALF as a bunch of short-sighted, narrow-minded isolationists.

"Isolationism - a policy of remaining apart from the affairs or interests of other groups, especially the political affairs of other countries."

Y'all just don't seem to get that 'e pluribus unum' is a darned good motto that just needs a little expansion of the mind and borders in a global economy.

At the end of the day I fear Obama will suit you just fine.
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What do you call it when the tax structure protects foreign imports against domestic competition.

I would start with "stupidity"

Undoing stupidity is not protectionism, it's intelligence.
 
Canadian producers protecting their unfettered access to the USA beef market is not protectionism?

USA producers wanting to limit unfettered access by the world to our beef market is protectionism.

Shaft, tell what happens to USA cattle producers if we open, unfettered, our market globally to anyone that want to ship beef or cattle into the USA?
 
Interesting chart in the May 2008 Beef Watch (Cattlemen magazine). It shows the Alberta v. US slaughter cow prices in Canadian dollars for the period June 1998 to January 2008. In the pre-May 20, 2003 period the prices are virtually identical. After that there is a discrepancy that continues to this day with Alberta cattle slaughter prices being significantly lower.

I though R-CALF was complaining that packers were buying Canadian cattle cheaper pre-BSE, but this graph belies that argument. It seem that the truth is that the spread in prices, while driven originally by BSE, is now being driven by something else. You R-CALFers might want to look down to check that you still have both feet. I suspect you have blown at least one of them clean off, but just haven't noticed yet. You will.

Here's another word for your lexicon. Pusillanimous. As in pusillanimous pinhead - someone who hides behind semantics and nitpicking in order to obscure the truth because he hasn't the courage or intelligence to face up to it.

"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel." Samuel Johnson

Go look that up.
 
Shaft said:
Interesting chart in the May 2008 Beef Watch (Cattlemen magazine). It shows the Alberta v. US slaughter cow prices in Canadian dollars for the period June 1998 to January 2008. In the pre-May 20, 2003 period the prices are virtually identical. After that there is a discrepancy that continues to this day with Alberta cattle slaughter prices being significantly lower.

I though R-CALF was complaining that packers were buying Canadian cattle cheaper pre-BSE, but this graph belies that argument. It seem that the truth is that the spread in prices, while driven originally by BSE, is now being driven by something else. You R-CALFers might want to look down to check that you still have both feet. I suspect you have blown at least one of them clean off, but just haven't noticed yet. You will.

Here's another word for your lexicon. Pusillanimous. As in pusillanimous pinhead - someone who hides behind semantics and nitpicking in order to obscure the truth because he hasn't the courage or intelligence to face up to it.

"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel." Samuel Johnson

Go look that up.
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And where did you answer my questions? I obviously don't have the intelligence.

Don't confuse my position on Canadian imports with R-CALF's...I don't have a problem with it, as long as it ends up on the store shelf or to the H&R user, with a "Product of Canada" label. Canadians are in the same cost of production situation we are.
 

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