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South Dakota antlerless deer program

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Southdakotahunter

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Heres a program our game department is doing to try to help control the deer population i bet LB would never tell ya about.

State Web site matches antlerless deer hunters, landowners
By The Associated Press
Published: September 18, 2007
PIERRE, S.D. (AP) - Hunters interested in shooting antlerless deer on private land can list their contact information on a state wildlife Web site.

Landowners looking to host antlerless deer hunters often contact the state Game, Fish & Parks Department, said Art Smith, GF&P wildlife damage management program administrator.

"Usually the landowners are looking for youth hunters, but requests for archery and muzzleloader hunters have been received as well," Smith said in a release.

GF&P staff handled most of these requests in previous years, but now landowners can contact potential hunters directly through the Web site.

Landowners can choose which license types they would be willing to have hunt on their land. Once selected, the system produces a list of hunters that match the landowner's selection.
 
You are wrong again, SDH. I've spoken in favor of this program many times because it is one more way to decrease the deer population, ineffective as it may be. As I understand it, there are a multitude of unclaimed doe licenses because most of you hunters only want to shoot a big buck. What gave you the idea that I would be against this?

It is up to the landowner whether or not he wants to invite hunters on to his place to harvest the thousands of antler-less deer that regular hunters have no interest in shooting. As long as this decision is left to the landowner, I think it's a worthy program.

I, however, won't be participating because I refuse to allow GF&P to trespass on my land without my knowledge or permission to check if you, as a hunter, hunting with my permission, are breaking some game law.

I happen to have a much higher opinion of hunters than GF&P does, and I won't allow them to trample my grass or my rights just to make sure you aren't hunting in the wrong unit or didn't shoot the right kind of duck.

I know this makes you feel bad, but that's just the way it is. And the way it will stay until the "Open Fields Doctrine" is done away with in South Dakota, as it has been in several other states.

Sorry. :P
 
Liberty, I feel bad in telling you this, but I think all of your wind has left your sail over the "open Fields Doctrin" here in SD. The times it has been attempted has all failed badly in the Legislature, sooner than later as I am sure already your colleges will tire of you continuing to try to pass Legislation doing away with it.
It appears to me that your support has all but dissapeared, sure there are some places closed off, but they have always been closed off to the majority of us to hunt on.
Hopefully you can come up with other positive Legislation to try and pass to help relations between everyone. :???:
 
Yeah, publichunter, I know your heart bleeds for us poor landowners out here, but save your tears for yourself and your fellow hunters who can no longer find private land to hunt for free on.

I don't know if you missed this story or not, but it isn't landowners who are becoming endangered, it's you hunters who are deceasing in number. For that you can thank agencies like South Dakota's GF&P for their policies that have stopped hundreds of landowners like me from allowing ANY hunting on our land because we refuse to set ourselves up for the abuse to our property rights that we have to take from GF&P just to allow folks like you to hunt.

I might remind you, hunters have always hunted for free on our ranch, but if the Open Fields Doctrine is never done away with, hunters will never hunt here again and as much as I hate to tell you this, it is NO skin off my nose if I never have another hunter.

Next time you or your friends are turned away by a wary landowner, thank GF&P. Without them, you and I could be having a good visit at the end of your successful hunt over supper at my house just like what used to happen in the "good old days".

Here's the link to that story. Read it and weep.

http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2007/09/02/news/top/doc46db60fd37038996557485.txt
 
Liberty:
The only problem with you blaming GF&P for the decline of young hunters is that it is a nationwide down turn not just South Dakota, so your theory blaming GF&P doesnt hold much water.
There are still plenty of landowners out there who allow free hunting or a trade out of some work for hunting.
Also I know you are way above taking any Federal Aid, but us hunters on a nationwide basis is partially responsible for a fairly conservation minded Farm Bill passed by the House and now is being debated bythe Senate. But then that doesnt count for any concern on my part or my fellow hunters trying to help out some willing landowners......
 
Frankly, I could care less about whether hunting declines anywhere. I just pointed out that it is the hunters who are diminishing, not the landowners.

As for your farm bill, you and guys like Tony Dean are not pushing for its passage out of any concern for landowners. You only want it passed to prevent some folks from plowing and planting private ground that might have duck or pheasant habitat on it.

It always tickles me when the Tony Dean types, who love to scream about "welfare ranchers" and "government funded-farmers", whine to the same federal government to give the ranchers and farmers yet another government check to protect wildlife and habitat!!!

Welfare is welfare. At least try to be consistent!! And don't expect those of us involved in agriculture to pat you guys on the back for your efforts to help YOUR hunting prospects using what are also OUR tax dollars.
 
Your telling me there isnt a decline in landowners? I thinkyou are totally wrong on that one, I support the Farm Bill for many more reasons than wildlife habitat.
First and foremost is clean water, yes there is also my hopes that all land is not plowed and planted expecially lands like in Stanley County, Haakon County and other WR lands, ranch land that should of never been plowed. If you are not concerned about the decline of grass, range land and the types of erosion that occurs on these lands when they are plowed and planted you truly disappoint me, because that would prove you only care about yourself and screw society.
I hold no grudges against anyone that grazes on public lands, unless they forget who truly owns the land.
 
Listen publichunter old pal, the only reason that both my family and my husband's family have survived for generations in the ranching business on the same ranches our grandparents owned is because we care, and care deeply, about the condition of our grass, our water, and our livestock. If we hadn't practiced good range management over the last hundred plus years, we wouldn't be here and our grandchildren wouldn't have a ranch to come home to when they are ready to take over.

The only rational statement you made was that most of the range land should never have been plowed. We have very few acres out here that are fit for farming and what we do grow is used for hay and feed grain for our livestock. I'd venture a guess that even my nine year old grandson knows more about range management and animal husbandry than you do, so climb down off that high horse before you hurt yourself.

We have neighbors that made a lot of money farming the government, because of the very programs you are supporting. They plowed arid, poor soil, cashed their government disaster checks, and then put the land into "soil bank", the forerunner of the Conservation Reserve Program (CRP). The land should never have been touched by a plow and those "farmers" knew it, but, not being total idiots, it didn't take them long to learn how to farm the government.

These are the very same welfare programs you are trying to keep in the farm bill to create a welfare program for hunters and fishermen. Yeah, sure, you care about the decline of grass!! And the decline of so-called nesting areas and wildlife habitat, maybe?!? As I said before, welfare is welfare, no matter who gets it.

Oh, and your crack about grazing on public lands – we don't graze any public land, but those ranchers who do, pay for the privilege. Do you pay ranchers for the grass your share of the wildlife eats or do you expect us to pick up the bill for you? I gotta tell you buddy, your truly disappoint me!! :( :cry:

And P Joe - I love you too! :P
 
Once again Liberty, if someone disagrees with you and has a different opinion you attack them, I am glad that you and your parents and grand-parents all appreciate the land and work hard on keeping it the best it can, you are only one ranch out there, how about all of your neighbors who farmed the Farm Bill? My point is these programs will hopefully help s;low the decline or stop the turning of natural Prairie and keep some ranchers on the land or allow some new ones to sart a ranch. But once again you only think about yourself.

Really I dont care if your grandkid knows more about range management than myaelf, I would hope they do considering the vocation and their way of life. But again if someone disagrees with you you attack....maybe that is why the Lock out failed to accomplish any of your goals....Except it did give you an excuse to stop most of the hunting on your land.
 
you truly disappoint me, because that would prove you only care about yourself and screw society.
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I am soooooooooo sorry! I'm afraid I took this statement as an attack on me and my motives! Please forgive me if I misinterpreted your intentions. I don't know how I could have possibly seen this as a slam against me.

I will sincerely try to develop at least as thick a skin as you seem to have as evidenced by this statement of yours:
My point is these programs will hopefully help s;low the decline or stop the turning of natural Prairie and keep some ranchers on the land or allow some new ones to sart a ranch. But once again you only think about yourself.

But again if someone disagrees with you you attack....maybe that is why the Lock out failed to accomplish any of your goals....Except it did give you an excuse to stop most of the hunting on your land.
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Silly me. I never did learn that it was impolite to answer a poke in the eye with a punch in the nose. So, I guess if you don't like gettin' punched, shut up and quit pokin'. :twisted:
 
Liberty Belle said:
We have neighbors that made a lot of money farming the government, because of the very programs you are supporting.

These are the very same welfare programs you are trying to keep in the farm bill to create a welfare program for hunters and fishermen. Yeah, sure, you care about the decline of grass!! And the decline of so-called nesting areas and wildlife habitat, maybe?!? As I said before, welfare is welfare, no matter who gets it.

And P Joe - I love you too! :P
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Love you to LB!!

How many times have you voted for Tim Johnson?? Stephanie Herseth or John Thune. Each time you casted a vote for them, you support the Farm Bill as well. How many acres of CRP do you have enrolled????

How pray-tell do you come to the conclusion that CRP is a "hunting" welfare check?? Does not the landowner collect the payment??? Does not the landowner still retain full rights to not allow hunting on the CRP??? How does a hunter see any of the money. If you were as half as smart as you claim to be, why can't you figure out that maybe you should enroll some of you poor producing land into the CRP program. Then you would be "reimbursed" for ALL those game animals you claim to feed. As well as being able to hay 1/3 of the acres a year without losing payment. Or on most dry years being able to graze and hay the whole thing per the feds!!

You want to scream government welfare, maybe you should direct those comments to the farmers that plant tens of thousands of acres of corn, or the game preserves that enroll hundreds of acres into CRP at the taxpayers expense to turn around and charge $500/gun. Where is your critism on that???
 
Good one Soap. Now I will never get a straight answer from him :D :D I am curious how many dollars PH spends to hunt on landowners and if someone offered to let him hunt for nothing, would he accept the charity.
 
First its pretty rich for a road hunter to lecture LB about resource conservation, when she was a conservationist before it was a word - then to get rediculous, get all offended when LB responds to the dishonest attack.

Furthermore, what sort of weiner whines about being attacked and makes suppositions about someone's voting preferance in general elections - hypocrite is less coarse than terms I'd rather use.

I really admire those sufficiently committed to freedom to make a stand even when its costly; the Liberty Belle fan club line starts with me.


And Soapweed hits one outta the park...AGAIN
 
I'm wondering how many here have a fan club now as FALL has arrived for me it started about a month ago people coming out into the hayfields asking for hunting privleges.I was by myself and was rakeing a 1/2 dozen windrows up then I would bale and was repeating the process all afternoon.This guy wanted "Exclusive" hunting on several properties I lease which I can hunt I told him he could be my "Exclusive Hay Raker" to which he did'nt want any part so I told him I did'nt really need his Deer Hunting help either.

I get a phone call about 3 times a week about hunting.Now I'm not a Gung Ho hunter but I do like to go out a few day's and the last thing I want to do while hunting is put up with Joe Public when I'm out working I'm by myself so I figure I can hunt the same way.
 

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