Ted Turner buys another 26,000 acres in NE

[Anonymous]

the problem with outbidding Ted is you can't do it. When his buyers show up they don't walk away without the land. With his billions he doesn't care what it cost as he doesn't expect the land to pay for itself

Give that boy a cigar-- He just hit the nail on the head....20-30 years ago when a ranch like that was sold- a consortium of ranchers would buy it up as a grazing district or grazing association- and probably finance thru FHA or some federal financing program to give preference to the actual rancher types...We have several grazing associations like that in our area where 15-20 ranchers each have from 200 to 500-600+ head of grazing rights...
But anymore the incentives don't favor the rancher type and with all the wetland/conservation funding actually favor the hunter group/land investor/tax deferment- write off cash in hand big investor more....

We just had a large ranch sell here a couple years ago- that several ranchers tried to buy with an association/group- but could no way match the Corporate investor that has bought up $25 million worth of land in a few counties in the last 5 years.....

 

[Red Robin]

the problem with outbidding Ted is you can't do it. When his buyers show up they don't walk away without the land. With his billions he doesn't care what it cost as he doesn't expect the land to pay for itself

Give that boy a cigar-- He just hit the nail on the head....20-30 years ago when a ranch like that was sold- a consortium of ranchers would buy it up as a grazing district or grazing association- and probably finance thru FHA or some federal financing program to give preference to the actual rancher types...We have several grazing associations like that in our area where 15-20 ranchers each have from 200 to 500-600+ head of grazing rights...
But anymore the incentives don't favor the rancher type and with all the wetland/conservation funding actually favor the hunter group/land investor/tax deferment- write off cash in hand big investor more....

We just had a large ranch sell here a couple years ago- that several ranchers tried to buy with an association/group- but could no way match the Corporate investor that has bought up $25 million worth of land in a few counties in the last 5 years.....

You're crying about the canadians, you're crying about the corporate packers, you're crying about the decline of the dollar, you're crying about who buys the local real estate . For a rancher , you're sure not very tough and for a libertarian you sure want a lot of government oversight and regulations.
Edit: can you believe I forgot to mention that you're crying about President Bush and the evil neocons. :shock: It's a wonder you sleep at all with the troubles you have.

 

[Anonymous]

the problem with outbidding Ted is you can't do it. When his buyers show up they don't walk away without the land. With his billions he doesn't care what it cost as he doesn't expect the land to pay for itself

Give that boy a cigar-- He just hit the nail on the head....20-30 years ago when a ranch like that was sold- a consortium of ranchers would buy it up as a grazing district or grazing association- and probably finance thru FHA or some federal financing program to give preference to the actual rancher types...We have several grazing associations like that in our area where 15-20 ranchers each have from 200 to 500-600+ head of grazing rights...
But anymore the incentives don't favor the rancher type and with all the wetland/conservation funding actually favor the hunter group/land investor/tax deferment- write off cash in hand big investor more....

We just had a large ranch sell here a couple years ago- that several ranchers tried to buy with an association/group- but could no way match the Corporate investor that has bought up $25 million worth of land in a few counties in the last 5 years.....

You're crying about the canadians, you're crying about the corporate packers, you're crying about the decline of the dollar, you're crying about who buys the local real estate . For a rancher , you're sure not very tough and for a libertarian you sure want a lot of government oversight and regulations.
Edit: can you believe I forgot to mention that you're crying about President Bush and the evil neocons. :shock: It's a wonder you sleep at all with the troubles you have.

RR- Apparently you and I disagree about what is crying-- I'm just telling you the facts as they exist-- something you seem to have a problem comprehending...Or don't want to admit now exists....

You'd rather believe someones tall story- and then have the NIE or someone else come back and tell you that you were told wrong...Its folks like that that only hear what they want to hear that causes those failures to communicate... :lol:

 

[kolanuraven]

the problem with outbidding Ted is you can't do it. When his buyers show up they don't walk away without the land. With his billions he doesn't care what it cost as he doesn't expect the land to pay for itself

Hate to say you're wrong....but you are.

A lady just up river from me had 450 acres that was next to what Mr Turner already owns. He wanted it B-A-D....and it is beautiful property, much prettier than his.

He kept on and on.....I mean the last number I heard for the 400+ was $3.5M ......she's said NO WAY...NO HOW. She's still there and her land is still hers. Who's to say what will happen after she's gone....but she said NO and meant NO!!!

I think he gained A LOT of respect of her in the long run.

 

[George]

That woman must be related to my wife.

I own a small gravel oporation ( 200 acres) and the big dog on the block has been trying to buy me out for over 20 years. I kept telling them the operation was not for sale but they finally got my attentionabout 6 months ago.

They offered me $2,000,000.00 to shut down and we would still remain on the property, farm it, raise cattle, anything except we could not mine or sell any dirt, gravel sand or anything of that nature. After the operation they are working ( about 10 to 25 years ) is depleted they would come and mine ours - - then they would reclaim the ground and it would still belong to us or our aires.

They even offered if I would work for them at least 12 days a year until I'm 62 (three years ) they would pay for lifetime health insurance for my wife and I.

I feel it is time to take the deal but my wife will not sign and the property is in both names so I guess I will slave away till I go into the pine box.

Her family, our Atty, our accountant - - - all have tried to get her to see there is a great opertunity here but she will not consider it nor will she give any reason why not.

At this point I think back to when this was in my name alone and after we married I had her put on everything- - - - I thought that was the right thing to do. Now I have second thoughts!

 

[kolanuraven]

Dang..George....that does sound like a good....no GREAT deal!!!! You must have some good glacial till deposits!


Mr Turner offered this woman a ' life estate' also.....and she still said NO.


Maybe your wife has a long lost sister/twin in GA!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[CattleArmy]

Why don't we go together as a group and buy it? Well most of us here weren't born in money or have yet to win the lottery and we can't get along here how in the world would we ever own a ranch together. :???: Interesting you say this as I've heard that same thing said by another ' sandhill' rancher just yesterday....kinda sad really that everyone can't work together for the same outcome


Ok maybe Ted is entertaining but he sure has hired some Morons.
...and you have only hired people that fall into the ' genius' category....ever???? Somehow I'd bet you've had a moron or two yourself in the past.

I fear my Dad might say I'm the moron he got...... :wink:



On a more serious note the problem is that when honest hard working people lose thousands of dollars due to a conceided member of Turner's organization and make a valid complaint and the help is still around....it does make me question how human Turner is.

I am not saying in any way all his help is like that. In fact the reason I first didn't mind Turner at all was do the his manager on the ranch we delt with. The man was very community minded and was very much a part of the neighborhood. He since moved and the stalkers moved in. It's funny how quickly views changed in this area about Turner we more joined the views of the people around Mullen and Gordon who are NOT Turner fans. Mr. Turner needs a pr person making sure that his managers aren't creating animosity.

 

[CattleArmy]

the problem with outbidding Ted is you can't do it. When his buyers show up they don't walk away without the land. With his billions he doesn't care what it cost as he doesn't expect the land to pay for itself

Hate to say you're wrong....but you are.

A lady just up river from me had 450 acres that was next to what Mr Turner already owns. He wanted it B-A-D....and it is beautiful property, much prettier than his.

He kept on and on.....I mean the last number I heard for the 400+ was $3.5M ......she's said NO WAY...NO HOW. She's still there and her land is still hers. Who's to say what will happen after she's gone....but she said NO and meant NO!!!

I think he gained A LOT of respect of her in the long run.

As far as outbidding in this area you are wrong. Two larger ranches got together and tried to get a ranch and lets see it is now owned by Ted.

 

[Jake]

Hate to say you're wrong....but you are.

A lady just up river from me had 450 acres that was next to what Mr Turner already owns. He wanted it B-A-D....and it is beautiful property, much prettier than his.

He kept on and on.....I mean the last number I heard for the 400+ was $3.5M ......she's said NO WAY...NO HOW. She's still there and her land is still hers. Who's to say what will happen after she's gone....but she said NO and meant NO!!!

I think he gained A LOT of respect of her in the long run.

The way I read this Ted still won the bidding contest the seller just said no to him purchasing it. So I'm still right!

 

[kolanuraven]

Hate to say you're wrong....but you are.

A lady just up river from me had 450 acres that was next to what Mr Turner already owns. He wanted it B-A-D....and it is beautiful property, much prettier than his.

He kept on and on.....I mean the last number I heard for the 400+ was $3.5M ......she's said NO WAY...NO HOW. She's still there and her land is still hers. Who's to say what will happen after she's gone....but she said NO and meant NO!!!

I think he gained A LOT of respect of her in the long run.

The way I read this Ted still won the bidding contest the seller just said no to him purchasing it. So I'm still right!

Well ,if you've just GOT TO BE RIGHT in your own mind...fine with me.
:roll: :roll:

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

Hate to say you're wrong....but you are.

A lady just up river from me had 450 acres that was next to what Mr Turner already owns. He wanted it B-A-D....and it is beautiful property, much prettier than his.

He kept on and on.....I mean the last number I heard for the 400+ was $3.5M ......she's said NO WAY...NO HOW. She's still there and her land is still hers. Who's to say what will happen after she's gone....but she said NO and meant NO!!!

I think he gained A LOT of respect of her in the long run.

The way I read this Ted still won the bidding contest the seller just said no to him purchasing it. So I'm still right!

Well ,if you've just GOT TO BE RIGHT in your own mind...fine with me.
:roll: :roll:

He is right. Turner wasn't out bid he just found an unwilling seller.

Is there someone who would have paid more for the land?

 

[kolanuraven]

the problem with outbidding Ted is you can't do it. When his buyers show up they don't walk away without the land. With his billions he doesn't care what it cost as he doesn't expect the land to pay for itself

Hate to say you're wrong....but you are.

A lady just up river from me had 450 acres that was next to what Mr Turner already owns. He wanted it B-A-D....and it is beautiful property, much prettier than his.

He kept on and on.....I mean the last number I heard for the 400+ was $3.5M ......she's said NO WAY...NO HOW. She's still there and her land is still hers. Who's to say what will happen after she's gone....but she said NO and meant NO!!!

I think he gained A LOT of respect of her in the long run.

As far as outbidding in this area you are wrong. Two larger ranches got together and tried to get a ranch and lets see it is now owned by Ted.

I believe that's called Fair Market! I still say...if it wasn't for sale, whatever it might be...it would not be bought by anyone!


Maybe something needs to be done to stop/halt/slow/help ranchers who are selling out.

Maybe the answer is not to berat Buyers....but focus on why people are selling out and investigate that end of the deal!

 

[pknoeber]

Hate to say you're wrong....but you are.

A lady just up river from me had 450 acres that was next to what Mr Turner already owns. He wanted it B-A-D....and it is beautiful property, much prettier than his.

He kept on and on.....I mean the last number I heard for the 400+ was $3.5M ......she's said NO WAY...NO HOW. She's still there and her land is still hers. Who's to say what will happen after she's gone....but she said NO and meant NO!!!

I think he gained A LOT of respect of her in the long run.

As far as outbidding in this area you are wrong. Two larger ranches got together and tried to get a ranch and lets see it is now owned by Ted.

I believe that's called Fair Market! I still say...if it wasn't for sale, whatever it might be...it would not be bought by anyone!


Maybe something needs to be done to stop/halt/slow/help ranchers who are selling out.

Maybe the answer is not to berat Buyers....but focus on why people are selling out and investigate that end of the deal!

Umm, no. It's called NO market. To create a market there has to be a willing seller and a willing buyer. What you just cited was not a market, and Jake is 100% correct.

To be honest, it's his money, he can do what he wants with it. If he wants to own ground, then he can own ground. If folks don't want him to own ground, then they can refuse to sell it to him, or they can out bid him. Obviously, he doesn't intend for the ground to pay for itself. But be honest, unless people lie to themselves or fudge numbers, ground never cashflows itself.

What we have with this whole deal is a lack of perspective. I bet that ol' Ted still ends up w/ about the same 6'X3' patch of dirt that the rest of us will.

 

[Stretch]

kolanuraven

Maybe the answer is not to berat Buyers....but focus on why people are selling out and investigate that end of the deal!

I hate to admit it :shock: :wink: but I wonder if there isn't a lot of truth to this. Around here it isn't Ole' Ted but I have a banker and a construction company owner and the city hunter that rule. It is to bad that people can't work together to connect the "Neighbor kids" with sellers to allow the next generation a chance to get a start. I'm not saying that they should give them the land but something a lot more realistic than the double the normal value that I see. Ten yrs ago I bought a piece of ground some native prarie,crp and some farm ground I gave 350.00 per acre. Now that land is worth well over a 1000.00 per acre just because people have money to invest and don't care if it will support itself or not. Heck the normal cattleman around here hates cedars and brush and wouldn't pay 6-700.00 for grass but the hunters will pay 1300.00 for it the more trees's and brush the better. Don't get me wrong I really enjoy hunting but it stinks trying to compete with a lawyer or Dr that has endless finances.. It is sad as I can't and won't even try to compete with that as I would likely loose what I have to pay for what I think I need. Gee I hope my 3 kids don't expect to have a very big operation as they aren't likely to be able to afford it...

 

[kolanuraven]

As far as outbidding in this area you are wrong. Two larger ranches got together and tried to get a ranch and lets see it is now owned by Ted.

I believe that's called Fair Market! I still say...if it wasn't for sale, whatever it might be...it would not be bought by anyone!


Maybe something needs to be done to stop/halt/slow/help ranchers who are selling out.

Maybe the answer is not to berat Buyers....but focus on why people are selling out and investigate that end of the deal!

Umm, no. It's called NO market. To create a market there has to be a willing seller and a willing buyer. What you just cited was not a market, and Jake is 100% correct.

To be honest, it's his money, he can do what he wants with it. If he wants to own ground, then he can own ground. If folks don't want him to own ground, then they can refuse to sell it to him, or they can out bid him. Obviously, he doesn't intend for the ground to pay for itself. But be honest, unless people lie to themselves or fudge numbers, ground never cashflows itself.

What we have with this whole deal is a lack of perspective. I bet that ol' Ted still ends up w/ about the same 6'X3' patch of dirt that the rest of us will.

Umm, no. It's called NO market. To create a market there has to be a willing seller and a willing buyer.


So you think someone was strong armed/forced into selling their property?

You've too struck by the the Turner Myth.....he can't buy if you or anyone is not willing to sell.


The seller must've been willing...or they'd not listed it for sale in the first place!

 

[Jake]

So you think someone was strong armed/forced into selling their property?

You've too struck by the the Turner Myth.....he can't buy if you or anyone is not willing to sell.


The seller must've been willing...or they'd not listed it for sale in the first place!

Your still missing the point the ground WAS for sale, when Turner got the bid the seller was no longer willing there for it was NOT for sale. At least not to Ted.

 

[kolanuraven]

So you think someone was strong armed/forced into selling their property?

You've too struck by the the Turner Myth.....he can't buy if you or anyone is not willing to sell.


The seller must've been willing...or they'd not listed it for sale in the first place!

Your still missing the point the ground WAS for sale, when Turner got the bid the seller was no longer willing there for it was NOT for sale. At least not to Ted.

Did Turner end up with this particular piece of property you speak of?


If he did....then it must've been for sale .

When you post/list something for sale...it's FOR SALE....and if you're gonna pick and choose that's foolish as you have no control over the land once you sell it UNLESS you place covenants and restrictions...then that immediately limits your buyers.

If you ,as a Seller, are gonna play that game...you must not have any NEED to sell very urgently then.

 

[Jake]

She's still there and her land is still hers. Who's to say what will happen after she's gone....but she said NO and meant NO!!!

You said it yoruself she still has the property, it never sold...

I'm not goin to dig through and find it but I believe you said something about if people didn't want him to have the ground to outbid him or not sell it to him. So this lady decided to not let her ground go out of production and go into the next national wildlife preserve.

Seems to me like we're arguing for the sake of arguing and just spinning circles let's be mature enough to let it go.

 

[kolanuraven]

She's still there and her land is still hers. Who's to say what will happen after she's gone....but she said NO and meant NO!!!

You said it yoruself she still has the property, it never sold...

I'm not goin to dig through and find it but I believe you said something about if people didn't want him to have the ground to outbid him or not sell it to him. So this lady decided to not let her ground go out of production and go into the next national wildlife preserve.

Seems to me like we're arguing for the sake of arguing and just spinning circles let's be mature enough to let it go.

Oh honey......if this is an argument by your measure...you'd never survive in my world!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:



My point over all is don't berat the buyer, whomever they are, if it's such a BIG concern ...then investigate as to why so many ranches are having to sell out...therein lies your problem!!!!
:!: :!:
The little neighbor lady didn't change her mind just cause Turner was looking...she'd not sell to anyone..PERIOD.