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Amen Robert Mac!
Good post FedUp!
~SH~
Good post FedUp!
~SH~
rkaiser said:Sure label it if you like Robert. I don't have a problem with that. Building up that America vs. Canada crap is what I don't like though.
I'd like to reply to Sh's theory about saving lives in Iraq. Don't the folks in Africa rate. It wouldn't take anywhere near the fire power or money to take out the dictators and terminators in Africa. What no oil there?
Beatnic a holes, candle burners, etc. etc. The world is full of extremists on both sides. The ones I hate are the ones who use God to justify what they do. Guess what - God is God to all of you who use that excuse. God is God, in the language of the scum bag terrorists as well.
Keep it simple in your minds boys. Keep it simple. Good guys bad guys. Heros and villans. Thats the way to get ahead.
Ya Oltimer thank goodness for those guys over there fighting for you and your freedom, and me and mine, if you believe that is truely what they are fighting for.
Have fun cutting me down, but I guarantee any one of you that if we were truely fighting together for freedom of our society, you would have to look pretty hard to find a better trench mate.
Or call me more names ya bunch of Bush Nazi's.
fedup2 said:I think too many of you people are watching the Communist News Network!(CNN)
You might find the following interesting. It was written by a naval officer.
AMERICA NEEDS TO WAKE UP!
That's what we think we heard on the 11th of September 2001 (When more than 3,000 Americans were killed -AD) and maybe it was, but I think it should have been "Get Out of Bed!" In fact, I think the alarm clock has been buzzing since 1979 and we have continued to hit the snooze button and roll over for a few more minutes of peaceful sleep since then.
It was a cool fall day in November 1979 in a country going through a
religious and political upheaval when a group of Iranian students attacked
and seized the American Embassy in Tehran. This seizure was an outright
attack on American soil; it was an attack that held the world's most
powerful country hostage and paralyzed a Presidency. The attack on this
sovereign U. S. embassy set the stage for events to follow for the next 25
years.
America was still reeling from the aftermath of the Vietnam experience and had a serious threat from the Soviet Union when then President Carter had to do something. He chose to conduct a clandestine raid in the desert. The ill-fated mission ended in ruin, but stood as a symbol of America's inability to deal with terrorism.
America's military had been decimated and down sized since the end of the Vietnam War. A poorly trained, poorly equipped and poorly organized
military was called on to execute a complex mission that was doomed from the start.
Shortly after the Tehran experience, Americans began to be kidnapped and killed throughout the Middle East. America could do little to protect her
citizens living and working abroad. The attacks against US soil continued.
In April of 1983 a large vehicle packed with high explosives was driven into the US Embassy compound in Beirut. When it exploded, it killed 63 people.
The alarm went off again and America hit the Snooze Button once more.
Then just six short months later in 1983 a large truck heavily laden down
with over 2500 pounds of TNT smashed through the main gate of the US
Marine Corps headquarters in Beirut and 241 US servicemen are killed. America mourned her dead and hit the Snooze Button once more.
Two months later in December 1983, another truck loaded with explosives was driven into the US Embassy in Kuwait, and America continued her slumber.
The following year, in September 1984, another van was driven into the
gate of the US Embassy in Beirut and America slept.
Soon the terrorism spread to Europe. In April 1985 a bomb exploded in a
restaurant frequented by US soldiers in Madrid.
Then in August 1985 a Volkswagen loaded with explosives was driven into
the main gate of the US Air Force Base at Rhein-Main, 22 were killed and the snooze alarm was buzzing louder and louder as US interests were continually attacked.
Fifty-nine days later in 1985 a cruise ship, the Achille Lauro, was
hijacked and we watched as an American in a wheelchair was singled out of the passenger list and executed.
The terrorists then shifted their tactics to bombing civilian airliners
when they bombed TWA Flight 840 in April of 1986, that killed 4, and the most tragic bombing, Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland in 1988,
killing 259. Clinton treated these terrorist acts as crimes; in fact we are still trying to bring these people to trial. These were acts of war!
The wake up alarm was getting louder and louder.
The terrorists decided to bring the fight to America. In January 1993, two
CIA agents were shot and killed as they entered CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.
The following month, February 1993, a group of terrorists were arrested
after a rented van packed with explosives was driven into the underground parking garage of the World Trade Center in New York City. Six people were killed and over 1000 were injured. Still this was treated as a crime and not an act of war? The Snooze alarm was depressed again.
Then in November 1995 a car bomb exploded at a US military complex in
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia killing seven service men and women.
A few months later in June of 1996, another truck bomb exploded only 35
yards from the US military compound in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. It destroyed the Khobar Towers, a US Air Force barracks, killing 19 and injuring over 500. The terrorists were getting braver and smarter as they saw that America did not respond decisively.
They moved to coordinate their attacks in a simultaneous attack on two US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.. These attacks were planned with
precision.
They killed 224. America responded with cruise missile attacks on an empty Al Quaida training camp, and went back to sleep.
The USS Cole was docked in the port of Aden, Yemen for refueling on 12
October 2000, when a small craft pulled along side the ship and exploded
killing 17 US Navy Sailors. Attacking a US War Ship is an act of war, but
we sent the FBI to investigate the crime and went back to sleep.
And of course you know the events of 11 September 2001. Most Americans think this was the first attack against US soil or in America. How wrong they are. America has been under a constant attack since 1979 and we chose to hit the snooze alarm and roll over and go back to sleep.
In the news lately we have seen lots of finger pointing from very high
officials in government over what they knew and what they didn't know. But if you've read the papers and paid a little attention I think you can see
exactly what they knew. You don't have to be in the FBI or CIA or on the
National Security Council to see the pattern that has been developing since 1979.
The President is right on when he says we are engaged in a war. I think we have been in a war for the past 25 years and it will continue until we as
a people decide enough is enough. America needs to "Get out of Bed" and act decisively now. America has been changed forever.. We have to be ready to pay the price and make the sacrifice to ensure our way of life continues.
We cannot afford to keep hitting the snooze button again and again and
rolling over and go back to sleep.
After the attack on Pearl Harbor, Admiral Yamamoto said "... it seems all
we have done is awakened a sleeping giant." This is the message we need to disseminate to terrorists around the world.
Support Our Troops and support President Bush for having the courage,
politically and militarily, to address what so many who preceded him
didn't have the backbone to do, both Democrat and Republican. This is not a political thing to be hashed over in an election year. This is an
AMERICAN thing. This is about our Freedom and the Freedom of our children in years to come.
reader (the Second) said:Oldtimer said:The press and the politicians pretty much all have an agenda or a bias...I think the only people you can truly believe are the hometown boys that have been over there doing the job and come back home...And from them all I hear are the accomplishments they have made and good they feel they have done- most feel that they are doing a needed job and the results have been worth the costs...Thats good enough for me....
This thread looks pretty much determined by the bias each of us had coming into it...
Sitting in Washington D.C., I have to tell you that there are a lot of people in government who are not thrilled with the war in Iraq as it has played out. Their view -- Dems and Republicans alike -- is that it has created a training ground and propaganda for Islamic radicals, as well as had a high cost in civilian and military lives and has diverted resources and attention from the war on terrorism. If this had been a war to depose Sadam Hussain with a viable plan to get in and get out and leave Iraq in good shape, their views would have been different. They see it as a quagmire.
I realize it is a Catch-22. We don't want to "give in" to the terrorists which gives them a victory. Also, leaving Iraq in chaos now makes it vulnerable to becoming a terrorist state in the future. But this was not how the future was painted or envisioned by those who planned the war in March 2004 when we went in there.