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Who's Behind the CFR's Merger Plan?
Middle American News

The plan to merge the U.S. with Canada and Mexico was developed by the Task Force on the Future of North America, sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations in association with the Canadian Council of Chief Executives (CCCE) and the Consejo Mexicano de Asuntos Internacionales (COMEXI).

CCCE's membership consists of the chief executives of 150 leading Canadian corporations, and was a major influence in the creation and adoption of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA).

COMEXI is a corporate-funded Latin analogue of the Council on Foreign Relations, and describes itself as a non-government" multidisciplinary organization committed to fostering sophisticated, broadly inclusive political discourse and analysis..."

Members of the CFR task force include former Canadian Deputy Prime MInister John P. Manley; former Mexican Finance Minister Pedro Aspe; former Governor of Massachusetts William Weld; CCCE Chief Executive Thomas d'Aquino; COMEXI President Andres Rozental; Director of the Center for North American Studies at American University Robert A. Pastor; and Associate Professor of political science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology Chappell H. Lawson.
 
Oldtimer said:
Who's Behind the CFR's Merger Plan?
Middle American News

The plan to merge the U.S. with Canada and Mexico was developed by the Task Force on the Future of North America, sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations in association with the Canadian Council of Chief Executives (CCCE) and the Consejo Mexicano de Asuntos Internacionales (COMEXI).

CCCE's membership consists of the chief executives of 150 leading Canadian corporations, and was a major influence in the creation and adoption of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA).

COMEXI is a corporate-funded Latin analogue of the Council on Foreign Relations, and describes itself as a non-government" multidisciplinary organization committed to fostering sophisticated, broadly inclusive political discourse and analysis..."

Members of the CFR task force include former Canadian Deputy Prime MInister John P. Manley; former Mexican Finance Minister Pedro Aspe; former Governor of Massachusetts William Weld; CCCE Chief Executive Thomas d'Aquino; COMEXI President Andres Rozental; Director of the Center for North American Studies at American University Robert A. Pastor; and Associate Professor of political science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology Chappell H. Lawson.
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so let me get this straight. it is like 3 kids living on the same block, the poor little scuzzy kid on the south side with nothing but problems and corrupt as heck....the kid to the north who has potential, but is upset because other kids really don't take him seriously.....and the kid in the middle who has all the toys, and every other kid looks up to him and wants to play..........

now the north and south kid have decided they want to be "brothers" with the kid in the middle....... they form a plan and start the process of dividing the middle kids toys up evenly into thirds. BUT WAIT !!!!! what did the north and south "brothers" bring to the "family" One brings hockey and mad cow, the other bring corruption cheap labor and a social drain on our workers benefits.


two ways to get somewhere in this world....work hard and achieve, or take from those who are willing to work hard and achieve!
 
Jigs, I think most juries are still out on the "mad cow from Canada" reference. If it really went from here south, and was not living well in US herds for a long. long time, it could well have entered Canada with some of the many loads of feed imported into this country from the USA.

However, Canada has a lot more to offer the USA than you have to offer us. Remember our resources! Your government has made it plain for many years that the fresh water supply in your country is not going to last as the US population grows. With technology today, one would think that ocean water could be made potable, but I guess it would be easier for you to "take" Canada's supply!

Possibly many of your residents are like the city kid who knows milk comes from a box or jug at the store and knows farmers are just weird people who like to live out in the country.

As long as the air conditioning/furnace comes on they never bother to consider what makes the cold/heat come out! Canada is just some weird country where it is cold most of the time and people are all starving and underpriviledged(probably because they are just dumb).

Your school system fosters that feeling about Canada, partly by not teaching about other countries in the school system. Here we know there is a big world outside of Canada and students are taught how the rest the rest of the world lives, what their politics are and who to fear. Ignorance is not often bliss, especially not in today's world.

Canada has some big problems, but nothing to compare to the US problems. If a merger between the three countries mentioned, the USA would be the biggest winner and Canada would be the biggest loser!
 
Soo jigster your kinda in the middle of the U.S. what you bringing to the table-ohhh right U'S' born terorists that blew up a daycare in Kansas city-kind of a low blow but you like stereotyping.,
 
Border rancher said:
Jigs, I think most juries are still out on the "mad cow from Canada" reference. If it really went from here south, and was not living well in US herds for a long. long time, it could well have entered Canada with some of the many loads of feed imported into this country from the USA.

However, Canada has a lot more to offer the USA than you have to offer us. Remember our resources! Your government has made it plain for many years that the fresh water supply in your country is not going to last as the US population grows. With technology today, one would think that ocean water could be made potable, but I guess it would be easier for you to "take" Canada's supply!

Possibly many of your residents are like the city kid who knows milk comes from a box or jug at the store and knows farmers are just weird people who like to live out in the country.

As long as the air conditioning/furnace comes on they never bother to consider what makes the cold/heat come out! Canada is just some weird country where it is cold most of the time and people are all starving and underpriviledged(probably because they are just dumb).

Your school system fosters that feeling about Canada, partly by not teaching about other countries in the school system. Here we know there is a big world outside of Canada and students are taught how the rest the rest of the world lives, what their politics are and who to fear. Ignorance is not often bliss, especially not in today's world.

Canada has some big problems, but nothing to compare to the US problems.
If a merger between the three countries mentioned, the USA would be the biggest winner and Canada would be the biggest loser![/
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I knew you were a damn isolationist,the first time you posted,LOL................good luck
 
Not to worry- Big Business has a plan in hand to keep from running out of cheap labor- will handle Canada's labor problems too...May not help your kids or grandkids get decent paying jobs, but it will fulfill Big Business's greed- and it will give the globalists their United States of North America.....

Mexicaid
by William Norman Grigg
October 9, 2005


"White House political strategist Karl Rove is offering lawmakers new details of an administration-backed guest worker program that would temporarily legalize the status of millions of illegal workers, according to Republicans who have attended the meetings," reported the September 23 Los Angeles Times.
Under the Bush plan, illegals would be designated "guest workers" for a period of six years, after which they supposedly would be required to return to their home countries and apply for legal readmission into the United States. As pertains to illegal immigrants from Mexico, this would be tantamount to unconditional amnesty, given that the U.S./Mexico/Canada "Security and Prosperity Partnership" (SPP) is slated to be completed by 2010 — a year before Mexican illegals would supposedly be required to leave. The SPP calls for the effective consolidation of the three countries into a single entity called "North America," in which present national borders would become as insignificant as state lines are in the United States.


The SPP blueprint was approved by President Bush, along with his Mexican counterpart Vicente Fox and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin, at a March summit in Waco, Texas. Just prior to that summit, the Mexico-U.S. Business Committee (MEXUS), a project of the Rockefeller-founded Council of the Americas, published a report entitled "A Compact for North American Competitiveness." The MEXUS report fleshed out some critical details, particularly with respect to an envisioned "Development Fund for Mexico" (DFM).

The Development Fund, predictably, would be underwritten "with proportional contributions from all three nations" — meaning, in practice, that the U.S. taxpayer will bear most of the costs. It would be earmarked for expanding Mexico's "infrastructure," a term that encompasses not only highways, bridges, manufacturing plants, schools, and hospitals, but also the enrichment of that nation's unfathomably corrupt political class. One key revenue source for the DFM, significantly, would be the Social Security taxes collected on labor performed by illegal immigrants.

Social Security taxes collected from illegals and others who use bogus Social Security numbers are dumped into the "Earnings Suspense File," which as of last spring totaled more than $463 billion. MEXUS suggests that "a portion of this fund, say, one percent annually of the total fund, could be allocated to the Development Fund for Mexico." Once the "guest worker" program (read: amnesty) is in place, those who hire Mexican migrant workers "would be required to pay the equivalent of social security into the Development Fund for Mexico" — thereby becoming tax farmers on behalf of Mexico's degenerate, quasi-socialist elite.


 
Not to worry- Big Business has a plan in hand to keep from running out of cheap labor- will handle Canada's labor problems too...May not help your kids or grandkids get decent paying jobs, but it will fulfill Big Business's greed- and it will give the globalists their United States of North America.....
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I can't believe how scared you can be of Mexicans. The illegals would not be in the States if the jobs were being filled by Americans. The jobs are not cut rate wages for the most part either.

We get Mexicans come into Alberta for 6 months at a time to work with honey bees. They are making $10-$15 per hour, but that is 4 times what they would make in Mexico.

What is wrong with everyone taking a step up the ladder? Americans are taking higher paying jobs in service and technology, that leaves a shortage of workers for manual labor jobs. Those from Mexico and farther South are happy to do the work and be away from home if the pay is worth their while.

Maybe all business that are short of workers should just close up shop. Or to your mind keep raising the wages to make Americans willing to do the work. Can you imagine a waiter making $35 an hour? How would the business survive? Maybe farmers should pay $50 an hour to get skilled local workers. I know one outfit here had to raise wages to $20 for driving brand new swathers and combines and still they were short staffed. How long will that pay?
 
It is not so much the mexicans, but the pull on the schools, welfare (yes they collect), the police as where you get more immigrants from Mexico the crime rate likely goes up and on and on.
 
Its very difficult for an illegal to get welfare, landed immigrants would be more likely on the welfare roll.

Do you have stats on the crime rate following Mexicans? I don't know, but then it adds another job for an American in law enforcement doesn't it?

The schools need numbers of kids, illegals don't usually bring their family. They stay in their home country. Again it is landed immigrants that would have kids in school. But there again if a family is in a area then they are paying taxes and the kids start needing more teachers. Unless all landed immigarnts are on welefare, then I would like to see proof of that.

The business that hires an illegal or an immigrant makes more money if they are needing to hire help. The taxes would be more from said business. The scenario you would need to investiate is would everyone be better off if businesses get a subsidy from the government NOT to hire help and expand, versus them hiring who ever they can get and paying taxes but putting demands on some gov't services.
 
Jason said:
Its very difficult for an illegal to get welfare, landed immigrants would be more likely on the welfare roll.

Check with the illegals that Hilary is wanting welfare to go for with out chance of deporting from the Hurricanes.

Do you have stats on the crime rate following Mexicans? I don't know, but then it adds another job for an American in law enforcement doesn't it?

Yes, it adds another job, who pays for that job? The tax payers!

The schools need numbers of kids, illegals don't usually bring their family. They stay in their home country. Again it is landed immigrants that would have kids in school. But there again if a family is in a area then they are paying taxes and the kids start needing more teachers. Unless all landed immigarnts are on welefare, then I would like to see proof of that.

Guess again, they raided a meat packing plant not too long ago and sent the illegals back to Mexico. The illegals never said anything about the families they had as they didn't want them sent home. No one showed up to pick kids up from school or from day care centers, they found lots of kids with out moms or dads. The welfare stepped in and put them in foster homes.

The business that hires an illegal or an immigrant makes more money if they are needing to hire help. The taxes would be more from said business. The scenario you would need to investiate is would everyone be better off if businesses get a subsidy from the government NOT to hire help and expand, versus them hiring who ever they can get and paying taxes but putting demands on some gov't services.
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We have lots of welfare and unemployeed people that could use this jobs. Instead of handing out money like candy, hand out some of these jobs if they are able to work.

What makes you think you know so much about our country?
 
Rancher because 99 percent of Canadians know about the world around them than Americans do-we actually take about the rest of the world in school. I've travelled alot in the U.S.and the general ignorance of your nearest neighbor is pretty apalling. I get the feeling that the only time alot of you look at a map is when the presidant orders another war. Drank alot of free whiskey on my American friends on the bet on whether I could name the 50 states over whether they could get the ten provinces.
 
Northern Rancher said:
Rancher because 99 percent of Canadians know about the world around them than Americans do-we actually take about the rest of the world in school. I've travelled alot in the U.S.and the general ignorance of your nearest neighbor is pretty apalling. I get the feeling that the only time alot of you look at a map is when the presidant orders another war. Drank alot of free whiskey on my American friends on the bet on whether I could name the 50 states over whether they could get the ten provinces.
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Northern Rancher- How many of the states of Mexico can you name?
 
Jason said:
Do you have stats on the crime rate following Mexicans? I don't know, but then it adds another job for an American in law enforcement doesn't it?
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Jason- then using your logic we shouldn't be working to keep out TB, Avian Flu, or even Ebola-- more jobs for the nurses, doctors, morticians and gravediggers :roll:

Jason we are a country of immigrants-- but for the last 100+ years anyone wanting to immigrate had to meet criteria to come in- moral, criminal, health restrictions.....Ask the old historian Northern Rancher about Ellis Island- many of our forefathers relatives were not allowed in- for one or more of those reasons...To now say that 10 million + people that have broke the law to enter should be welcomed with open arms is a slap in the face to all the honest immigrants (and Mexican Americans) who worked so hard to make it to this country....

Many of these illegals now here and coming daily are not Mexican- they run the gamut of Central American and South American countries.....Many aren't coming to the land of opportunity for work-many are looking at this as the land of milk and honey, where they can further their criminal and drug activities with much more money to be had....Many are members of Latino Gangs, that are slowly taking over sections of the US- and they are in Canada too....Many have long criminal histories - sex crimes, robberies, extortion, murder, and drugs--which has become a way of survival for many in some countries....

I know the cost to local communities- I lived and worked law enforcement in a small county where a Packer for several years shipped in Mexican and South American labor- and many were whole families that were shipped in and put in ghetto housing (some without running water).....It cost the area so much in social, medical, educational, and law enforcement costs that no one shed one tear when the packer closed his doors- altho they knew they were losing another business in the area.... The greatest feeling that came when they left was the feeling of well being- no longer were the women worried about walking the streets at night, or letting the kids go down the block to play like they should be able to in a small community...And their fears were not unwarranted- I saw the rap sheets on the ones we arrested- many had been deported several times- one was a Nicarauguan wanted in San Diego for sexually assaulting a 4 year old on a previous border excursion- another a Mexican wanted in Salt Lake City for homicide for torching a flophouse hotel which killed several people- and many freely admitted to having spent years of time in Mexican and South American prisons.....Across the board amnesty and open unrestricted immigration will cost us much more than we gain.......

If Canada wants them so bad- send your boats south- Mexican government will probably help them load up......
 
I would guess that all 15,000 murders every year in the US are committed by immigrants, by your remarks OT. I wonder what the % of small crimes are actually committed by American citizens. Maybe look at New Orleans, during a rough spell to get the real numbers.

We have not seen any trend/statistics in Canada of immigrants being more crime prone than any other. Maybe it's the system and the atmoshere created in this country! If anybody would like to prove me wrong, I'd like to see the numbers. I would say without a doubt, in Canada, we see more criminals with American citizenship ( in Canada)than any other immigrants.

Maybe you should get your own house in order, before you attack ours!



I know the cost to local communities- I lived and worked law enforcement in a small county where a Packer for several years shipped in Mexican and South American labor- and many were whole families that were shipped in and put in ghetto housing (some without running water).....
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Maybe you should treat them like human beings instead of workhorses(or would you treat them better?) and maybe they wouldn't have to fight for survival!

Remember, we haven't had slaves in Canada b4, are you (some companies) still treating immigrants as such?
 
Murgen said:
We have not seen any trend/statistics in Canada of immigrants being more crime prone than any other.
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You must not have talked to any Mounties in the areas that took in large influxes of Vietnamese and Asians----because thats not what they told me.....When we were working drugs up there- most of it was in the Asian sectors ......
 
Murgen said:
Maybe you should treat them like human beings instead of workhorses(or would you treat them better?) and maybe they wouldn't have to fight for survival!
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Do you think the Tysons of the world, that expect to make huge profits off this cheap labor care how they live? Or even know?

I doubt they lose much sleep over their employees well being....And these corporate leaders know they won't be walking the same part of town so they don't have to worry about their families safety......
 
show me the numbers where they are more apt to be invloved than the country boy with a south facing field!
 
Do you think the Tysons of the world, that expect to make huge profits off this cheap labor care how they live? Or even know?

I doubt they lose much sleep over their employees well being....And these corporate leaders know they won't be walking the same part of town so they don't have to worry about their families safety......
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If they are treating their employees that badly, why would you want to buy beef from them, and label it as such.

"Product of USA, where we mistreat our employees" "our employees will hurt your family's safety, buy our product". "It's made in US of A and not Canada or Mexico!"
 
Murgen- From what I saw when I was working in Lethbridge I would bet the biggest group in your jails and prisons are Canadian---native Canadian Indians.....
 
Seems the Asians like this area for growing Dope!! Been numerous drug busts this past summer. Some had possession of over $13 million. They come from Toronto and buy out farms with drug money then start growing marjiuna (sp?). Wont associate with neighbors then the trouble starts.
 

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