The "Salmon Run"

[Anonymous]

Rod,

I literally laughed out loud when you said your packer and retail profit example was a phenominal success. Hahaha!

You think that jut because I didn't keep bringing more examples of expenses for you to shave THEY DON'T EXIST???? LOL!

I just give you the examples that I thought of that I knew THAT YOU MISSED. I didn't say I knew all of the expenses but I obviously know a hell of a lot more about it than you do.

The simple fact that you didn't even know enough to subtract out the bone and fat on the carcass proves you're entire theory is based on nothing more than speculation and ignorance. I shouldn't have even went beyond that with you.

You missed so much more than the fat and bone.

You missed the fact that a lot of beef is sold at "featured prices" because retailers sell it or they smell it. What's not sold by expiration date is discarded.

What about shink? Did you figure shrink? HECK NO YOU DIDN'T!

Want to know the value of water in meat, go price some beef jerky.

Did you figure trim? NO YOU MISSED THAT TOO!!!

You don't have a clue about packer and retail profits. NOT A CLUE!

You made the same mistake that all shallow observation packer blaming number crunchers make. You think every pound of the carcass was priced the same as your retail example. Your numbers were a joke!



Randy Kaiser,

One question:

1. What did Tyson and Cargill make in Canada on a per head basis during this SO CALLED "Salmon run"?

Very simple question, can you answer it honestly or will you do the Sandbag shuffle?



~SH~

 

[rkaiser]

5 cents Scotty.

Any other answer would not satisfy your compulsive packer defender disorder.


dddddduuuuuhhhh???????

How's the gopher trapping going these days? Any little poopy's on the snow down there in Dakokatoka yet?

 

[Anonymous]

As expected Randy, you couldn't answer the question so you said the only stupid thing you could think of.

Bottom line, YOU DON'T KNOW what their profits are but you know what you don't want to believe they are. LOL!

Imagine that?


~SH~

 

[Econ101]

Tam: "That said we get the last laugh because he, in all he gloating, just proved something, that I have been asking all along. I asked If what Econ said was true, then how did Tyson become what they are today. If you look back you will see that this is true. I thought by his statement they had broke a court order or had the courts looking the other way while they became the giants they are. BUT, Now that he has admitted that what he posted was crap "

From Econ

My post wasn't crap. Your reading of it was.

from Econ

Yes,I knew the court order was old and not applicable to the recent events in the industry.

If it was so old it didn't apply to recent events then it was crap posted to mislead. When you didn't clarify it was posted to mislead after you were asked straight out if it true, made it even worst crap ment to mislead. Which made you look even more pathetic when you finally did admit you posted it to mislead. I don't know how you learn what is true and what is not but I and most other as questions like, If what you say is true then why did this happen, or there is a standing court order isn't there? both of which you didn't say anything about it being old and not applicable to recent events which made this whole conversation crap perpetrated by no other than YOU Econ. And you wonder why your credibility is lower than a snakes belly. :roll:

Tam, the same things we are dealing with today were the same old things that happened a long time ago. You are too short sighted to see the pattern.

I really don't care what my "credibilty" is in your eyes. Your leadership in the Canadian cattle industry is lower than a snakes belly.

Tam: "Which made you look even more pathetic when you finally did admit you posted it to mislead. "

Tam, I can't help how stupid you are and what conclusions you do and don't jump to. You just happen to be an idiot. I happened to have pointed that out. Don't call me pathetic for your inadequacies. :lol:

 

[Tam]

Tam: "That said we get the last laugh because he, in all he gloating, just proved something, that I have been asking all along. I asked If what Econ said was true, then how did Tyson become what they are today. If you look back you will see that this is true. I thought by his statement they had broke a court order or had the courts looking the other way while they became the giants they are. BUT, Now that he has admitted that what he posted was crap "

From Econ

My post wasn't crap. Your reading of it was.

from Econ

Yes,I knew the court order was old and not applicable to the recent events in the industry.

If it was so old it didn't apply to recent events then it was crap posted to mislead. When you didn't clarify it was posted to mislead after you were asked straight out if it true, made it even worst crap ment to mislead. Which made you look even more pathetic when you finally did admit you posted it to mislead. I don't know how you learn what is true and what is not but I and most other as questions like, If what you say is true then why did this happen, or there is a standing court order isn't there? both of which you didn't say anything about it being old and not applicable to recent events which made this whole conversation crap perpetrated by no other than YOU Econ. And you wonder why your credibility is lower than a snakes belly. :roll:

Tam, the same things we are dealing with today were the same old things that happened a long time ago. You are too short sighted to see the pattern.

I really don't care what my "credibilty" is in your eyes. Your leadership in the Canadian cattle industry is lower than a snakes belly.

Tam: "Which made you look even more pathetic when you finally did admit you posted it to mislead. "

Tam, I can't help how stupid you are and what conclusions you do and don't jump to. You just happen to be an idiot. I happened to have pointed that out. Don't call me pathetic for your inadequacies. :lol:

There is where the problem lies You don't care about your credibility with any of us. Unlike most on here you don't care because not one of us actually knows who you are. So you can stand behind that wall and mislead, lie, make libelous statements, and name call all you want because all you have to answer to is your conscience and I doubt you have one.

 

[Econ101]

From Econ

from Econ

If it was so old it didn't apply to recent events then it was crap posted to mislead. When you didn't clarify it was posted to mislead after you were asked straight out if it true, made it even worst crap ment to mislead. Which made you look even more pathetic when you finally did admit you posted it to mislead. I don't know how you learn what is true and what is not but I and most other as questions like, If what you say is true then why did this happen, or there is a standing court order isn't there? both of which you didn't say anything about it being old and not applicable to recent events which made this whole conversation crap perpetrated by no other than YOU Econ. And you wonder why your credibility is lower than a snakes belly. :roll:

Tam, the same things we are dealing with today were the same old things that happened a long time ago. You are too short sighted to see the pattern.

I really don't care what my "credibilty" is in your eyes. Your leadership in the Canadian cattle industry is lower than a snakes belly.

Tam: "Which made you look even more pathetic when you finally did admit you posted it to mislead. "

Tam, I can't help how stupid you are and what conclusions you do and don't jump to. You just happen to be an idiot. I happened to have pointed that out. Don't call me pathetic for your inadequacies. :lol:

There is where the problem lies You don't care about your credibility with any of us. Unlike most on here you don't care because not one of us actually knows who you are. So you can stand behind that wall and mislead, lie, make libelous statements, and name call all you want because all you have to answer to is your conscience and I doubt you have one.

Tam, there is not a thing on here that I have lied about or made a libelous statement about. No, I don't care about my credibilty with people like you. After reading your posts, I don't respect you at all. I think you are the worst kind of problem in this industry for the producers. I have brought enough supporting "evidence" up on this board to justify my positions and I don't need someone like you to approve of them. Talk about credibility and identity all you want. It doesn't bother me at all.

 

[mrj]

Where are any corroborating facts to prove your claims about NCBA, for just one subject?

Then, there are your claims of your phone being bugged, behind closed doors shenanigans, and more........but no supporting evidence.

Are you jesting?

MRJ

 

[Tam]

Tam, the same things we are dealing with today were the same old things that happened a long time ago. You are too short sighted to see the pattern.

I really don't care what my "credibilty" is in your eyes. Your leadership in the Canadian cattle industry is lower than a snakes belly.

Tam: "Which made you look even more pathetic when you finally did admit you posted it to mislead. "

Tam, I can't help how stupid you are and what conclusions you do and don't jump to. You just happen to be an idiot. I happened to have pointed that out. Don't call me pathetic for your inadequacies. :lol:

There is where the problem lies You don't care about your credibility with any of us. Unlike most on here you don't care because not one of us actually knows who you are. So you can stand behind that wall and mislead, lie, make libelous statements, and name call all you want because all you have to answer to is your conscience and I doubt you have one.

Tam, there is not a thing on here that I have lied about or made a libelous statement about. No, I don't care about my credibilty with people like you. After reading your posts, I don't respect you at all. I think you are the worst kind of problem in this industry for the producers. I have brought enough supporting "evidence" up on this board to justify my positions and I don't need someone like you to approve of them. Talk about credibility and identity all you want. It doesn't bother me at all.

I must have missed the post where you proved that Tyson Officials and USDA officials were knife carrying crooks that threatened the Japanese or the post where you proved that Tyson was in Canada in the 80' importing UK cattle so they could put the BSE crisis in motion so they could gain market power in Canada once they were forced by the Courts to buy IBP in 2001. Would you please post them again And don't think that the fact that the Japanese inspecting a Tyson slaughter plant where knives are used is proof that Tyson and USDA officials were carrying any and somehow threatening the Japanese with them, as it isn't.

So, I'm the worst kind of problem. I guess you want the industry to just forget the truth and run on your kind of speculations and claims of wrong doing with no evidence to back it up. I guess we are to think we can succeed in the cattle/beef industry by bad mouthing other parts of the same industry. You may have the luxury of bad monthing them as I doubt you have any cattle to market but those that care to work in the industry don't, as we have to rely on good working relationship in all sectors if we want to sell our product to the consumers. And If Tyson wasn't there for you to bench about another packer would be on the recieving end of your hate. You want all of us to punish a company that has proven they can be successfull in an industry that others have failed at. Unless you have proof they did some illegal I'm not going to jump on yours or Rods Bandwagon. Poking a sharp stick in the eyes of the packers is not going to do you any good when you have cattle to sell. Just ask the R-CALF supporters that bought Canadian cattle after BSE was found here, what happen to them when they tried to sell their fats to Cargill after the Plant manager realized who they were. :wink: By the way one of the R-CALFers was Lloyd DeBruycker probably some relation to Brent DeBruycker the International Trade Committee Co Chairmen for R-CALF.

 

[Econ101]

There is where the problem lies You don't care about your credibility with any of us. Unlike most on here you don't care because not one of us actually knows who you are. So you can stand behind that wall and mislead, lie, make libelous statements, and name call all you want because all you have to answer to is your conscience and I doubt you have one.

Tam, there is not a thing on here that I have lied about or made a libelous statement about. No, I don't care about my credibilty with people like you. After reading your posts, I don't respect you at all. I think you are the worst kind of problem in this industry for the producers. I have brought enough supporting "evidence" up on this board to justify my positions and I don't need someone like you to approve of them. Talk about credibility and identity all you want. It doesn't bother me at all.

I must have missed the post where you proved that Tyson Officials and USDA officials were knife carrying crooks that threatened the Japanese or the post where you proved that Tyson was in Canada in the 80' importing UK cattle so they could put the BSE crisis in motion so they could gain market power in Canada once they were forced by the Courts to buy IBP in 2001. Would you please post them again And don't think that the fact that the Japanese inspecting a Tyson slaughter plant where knives are used is proof that Tyson and USDA officials were carrying any and somehow threatening the Japanese with them, as it isn't.

So, I'm the worst kind of problem. I guess you want the industry to just forget the truth and run on your kind of speculations and claims of wrong doing with no evidence to back it up. I guess we are to think we can succeed in the cattle/beef industry by bad mouthing other parts of the same industry. You may have the luxury of bad monthing them as I doubt you have any cattle to market but those that care to work in the industry don't, as we have to rely on good working relationship in all sectors if we want to sell our product to the consumers. And If Tyson wasn't there for you to bench about another packer would be on the recieving end of your hate. You want all of us to punish a company that has proven they can be successfull in an industry that others have failed at. Unless you have proof they did some illegal I'm not going to jump on yours or Rods Bandwagon. Poking a sharp stick in the eyes of the packers is not going to do you any good when you have cattle to sell. Just ask the R-CALF supporters that bought Canadian cattle after BSE was found here, what happen to them when they tried to sell their fats to Cargill after the Plant manager realized who they were. :wink: By the way one of the R-CALFers was Lloyd DeBruycker probably some relation to Brent DeBruycker the International Trade Committee Co Chairmen for R-CALF.

So you believe in industry retaliation against producers and want to protect the packers in allowing them to control free speech with their purchasing power? Maybe you beleive in colored people having their own water fountains too.

 

[Anonymous]

Conman: "Tam, there is not a thing on here that I have lied about or made a libelous statement about."

That in itself is a lie. You can hardly make a post without lying.

Rather than trying to remember every lie you told which has become so common place, I'll just list three.

1. You said Judge Strom and the 11th circuit had secret "back door meetings" which influenced their decisions. That was a lie.

2. You said Taylor tested his theories. Taylor admitted under oath that he had not tested his theories.

3. You said that prices can't go up unless supplies come down. Ooops, sorry, that wasn't a lie, you were just that ignorant.


You lie in virtually every post then you lie about lieing.

You're a complete phony and anyone with any degree of intelligence has you figured out.

This is my last response to anything you have to say. As far as I'm concerned, you don't even exist and I won't waste my time reading any more of your posts. I have been a fool to carry on with you as long as I have. You have left no doubt that you are nothing but a complete phony in every sense of the word. A total loser!


~SH~

 

[Econ101]

Conman: "Tam, there is not a thing on here that I have lied about or made a libelous statement about."

That in itself is a lie. You can hardly make a post without lying.

Rather than trying to remember every lie you told which has become so common place, I'll just list three.

1. You said Judge Strom and the 11th circuit had secret "back door meetings" which influenced their decisions. That was a lie.

Econ: You have no proof that it was a lie. Only your opinion, which isn't worth much.

2. You said Taylor tested his theories. Taylor admitted under oath that he had not tested his theories.

Econ: He tested all theories need to prove the case and satisfy the Daubert issues. Just because he may not have tested untestable reasons, not "theories" as the defense calls them, doesn't mean he didn't test every theory required. This is just a slight of hand by the defendants and anyone who has at least a "pea" for a brain knows this, SH. You keep bringing it up so you either have less than a pea for a brain or you are doing it on purpose to deceive.

3. You said that prices can't go up unless supplies come down. Ooops, sorry, that wasn't a lie, you were just that ignorant.

Econ: And what I said is exactly what happened. Agman even proved this withhis own calculations.

You lie in virtually every post then you lie about lieing.

You're a complete phony and anyone with any degree of intelligence has you figured out.

This is my last response to anything you have to say. As far as I'm concerned, you don't even exist and I won't waste my time reading any more of your posts. I have been a fool to carry on with you as long as I have. You have left no doubt that you are nothing but a complete phony in every sense of the word. A total loser!


~SH~

Econ: Good, SH. Maybe you will quit throwing all your packer trash around this board. You have been a fool in almost every post. A fun fool, but a fool nevertheless.

I still want to see your circus chicken act.

 

[Tam]

Tam, there is not a thing on here that I have lied about or made a libelous statement about. No, I don't care about my credibilty with people like you. After reading your posts, I don't respect you at all. I think you are the worst kind of problem in this industry for the producers. I have brought enough supporting "evidence" up on this board to justify my positions and I don't need someone like you to approve of them. Talk about credibility and identity all you want. It doesn't bother me at all.

I must have missed the post where you proved that Tyson Officials and USDA officials were knife carrying crooks that threatened the Japanese or the post where you proved that Tyson was in Canada in the 80' importing UK cattle so they could put the BSE crisis in motion so they could gain market power in Canada once they were forced by the Courts to buy IBP in 2001. Would you please post them again And don't think that the fact that the Japanese inspecting a Tyson slaughter plant where knives are used is proof that Tyson and USDA officials were carrying any and somehow threatening the Japanese with them, as it isn't.

So, I'm the worst kind of problem. I guess you want the industry to just forget the truth and run on your kind of speculations and claims of wrong doing with no evidence to back it up. I guess we are to think we can succeed in the cattle/beef industry by bad mouthing other parts of the same industry. You may have the luxury of bad monthing them as I doubt you have any cattle to market but those that care to work in the industry don't, as we have to rely on good working relationship in all sectors if we want to sell our product to the consumers. And If Tyson wasn't there for you to bench about another packer would be on the recieving end of your hate. You want all of us to punish a company that has proven they can be successfull in an industry that others have failed at. Unless you have proof they did some illegal I'm not going to jump on yours or Rods Bandwagon. Poking a sharp stick in the eyes of the packers is not going to do you any good when you have cattle to sell. Just ask the R-CALF supporters that bought Canadian cattle after BSE was found here, what happen to them when they tried to sell their fats to Cargill after the Plant manager realized who they were. :wink: By the way one of the R-CALFers was Lloyd DeBruycker probably some relation to Brent DeBruycker the International Trade Committee Co Chairmen for R-CALF.

So you believe in industry retaliation against producers and want to protect the packers in allowing them to control free speech with their purchasing power? Maybe you beleive in colored people having their own water fountains too.

Econ tell us if all beef coming from Canada was tainted and a genuine risk of death if imported into the US as R-CALF CLAIMED IT WAS then why were R-Calf supporters in Canada buying cheap cattle and selling the meat into the US market with the rest of the Canadian beef? R-CALF's own members didn't believe the crap Leo was spouting or they would not have been buying Canadian cattle. So why is it freedom of speech when R-CALF lies to hold up a whole industry but it is industry retaliation against producers if the Canadian slaughter plants decide they want to support the Canadian producers by not buying R-CALF Supporter owned cattle at the same price they were willing to pay Canadian producers?

 

[Econ101]

I must have missed the post where you proved that Tyson Officials and USDA officials were knife carrying crooks that threatened the Japanese or the post where you proved that Tyson was in Canada in the 80' importing UK cattle so they could put the BSE crisis in motion so they could gain market power in Canada once they were forced by the Courts to buy IBP in 2001. Would you please post them again And don't think that the fact that the Japanese inspecting a Tyson slaughter plant where knives are used is proof that Tyson and USDA officials were carrying any and somehow threatening the Japanese with them, as it isn't.

So, I'm the worst kind of problem. I guess you want the industry to just forget the truth and run on your kind of speculations and claims of wrong doing with no evidence to back it up. I guess we are to think we can succeed in the cattle/beef industry by bad mouthing other parts of the same industry. You may have the luxury of bad monthing them as I doubt you have any cattle to market but those that care to work in the industry don't, as we have to rely on good working relationship in all sectors if we want to sell our product to the consumers. And If Tyson wasn't there for you to bench about another packer would be on the recieving end of your hate. You want all of us to punish a company that has proven they can be successfull in an industry that others have failed at. Unless you have proof they did some illegal I'm not going to jump on yours or Rods Bandwagon. Poking a sharp stick in the eyes of the packers is not going to do you any good when you have cattle to sell. Just ask the R-CALF supporters that bought Canadian cattle after BSE was found here, what happen to them when they tried to sell their fats to Cargill after the Plant manager realized who they were. :wink: By the way one of the R-CALFers was Lloyd DeBruycker probably some relation to Brent DeBruycker the International Trade Committee Co Chairmen for R-CALF.

So you believe in industry retaliation against producers and want to protect the packers in allowing them to control free speech with their purchasing power? Maybe you beleive in colored people having their own water fountains too.

Econ tell us if all beef coming from Canada was tainted and a genuine risk of death if imported into the US as R-CALF CLAIMED IT WAS then why were R-Calf supporters in Canada buying cheap cattle and selling the meat into the US market with the rest of the Canadian beef? R-CALF's own members didn't believe the crap Leo was spouting or they would not have been buying Canadian cattle. So why is it freedom of speech when R-CALF lies to hold up a whole industry but it is industry retaliation against producers if the Canadian slaughter plants decide they want to support the Canadian producers by not buying R-CALF Supporter owned cattle at the same price they were willing to pay Canadian producers?

It would have been nice to have a Packers and Stockyards Act for Canada, wouldn't it?

Tam, I am not in rcalf and don't know anything except what is posted on this board and what my neighbor friend tells me from time to time--and he isn't even in the know. I don't answer for them but I know I wouldn't trust a thing about your characterizations of anyone. After the nonsense you have posted on this board, you have no credibility with me. I gave you the same chance I give everyone and you blew it.

There is an old saying--What comes around goes around. You should realize that in all of your dealings and try to be over the fray of the people who participate in the little things you talk about in this post. Two wrongs don't make a right, they just perpetuate more wrongs.

I don't know why you hate this Leo so much, but you better figure out a way around it.

 

[Sandhusker]

Tam, "Econ tell us if all beef coming from Canada was tainted and a genuine risk of death if imported into the US as R-CALF CLAIMED IT WAS then why were R-Calf supporters in Canada buying cheap cattle and selling the meat into the US market with the rest of the Canadian beef? R-CALF's own members didn't believe the crap Leo was spouting or they would not have been buying Canadian cattle. So why is it freedom of speech when R-CALF lies to hold up a whole industry but it is industry retaliation against producers if the Canadian slaughter plants decide they want to support the Canadian producers by not buying R-CALF Supporter owned cattle at the same price they were willing to pay Canadian producers?"

How many cattle were bought by R-CALF members? I don't need an exact number, round it to the nearest thousand.

How many R-CALF members were buying Canadian cattle?

 

[Bill]

Tam, "Econ tell us if all beef coming from Canada was tainted and a genuine risk of death if imported into the US as R-CALF CLAIMED IT WAS then why were R-Calf supporters in Canada buying cheap cattle and selling the meat into the US market with the rest of the Canadian beef? R-CALF's own members didn't believe the crap Leo was spouting or they would not have been buying Canadian cattle. So why is it freedom of speech when R-CALF lies to hold up a whole industry but it is industry retaliation against producers if the Canadian slaughter plants decide they want to support the Canadian producers by not buying R-CALF Supporter owned cattle at the same price they were willing to pay Canadian producers?"

How many cattle were bought by R-CALF members? I don't need an exact number, round it to the nearest thousand.

How many R-CALF members were buying Canadian cattle?

Why don't you phone the R-Clan office or at least Debruckyer and ask them? Lloyd did an interview with the Western Producer admitting to it so he may be a place to start.

Do some research for yourself. It's in the archives. :roll: :lol: :lol:

 

[Tam]

Tam, "Econ tell us if all beef coming from Canada was tainted and a genuine risk of death if imported into the US as R-CALF CLAIMED IT WAS then why were R-Calf supporters in Canada buying cheap cattle and selling the meat into the US market with the rest of the Canadian beef? R-CALF's own members didn't believe the crap Leo was spouting or they would not have been buying Canadian cattle. So why is it freedom of speech when R-CALF lies to hold up a whole industry but it is industry retaliation against producers if the Canadian slaughter plants decide they want to support the Canadian producers by not buying R-CALF Supporter owned cattle at the same price they were willing to pay Canadian producers?"

How many cattle were bought by R-CALF members? I don't need an exact number, round it to the nearest thousand.

How many R-CALF members were buying Canadian cattle?

I'm with Bill do your own research but calling the R-CALF office will probably do you no good as Leo changed his story so it wouldn't look so bad for R-CALF's credibility on the tanited beef line. He first came out defending the R-CALF supporters rights to buy cattle in Canada by saying "I don't see anything wrong with it as these guys have been going it for years."
But all those other years R-CALF wasn't claiming our beef was a genuine risk of death were they?
So when on the RFD-TV program they had Shae asked him about it and his answer was "There were no R-CALF supporters in Canada buying cattle why would they there is not value in it for them." See how the story changes when the truth goes against the story R-CALF wants everyone to believe. Leo can deny it and so can you but there were quotes in news articles on both sides of the border from the R-CALF supporters whining about how the packers stole their profits and how they lost their shirts. Well to bad alot of Canadian producers lost their shirts because of R-CALFS lies and delays so why shouldn't they. That was the price they paid by thinking they could come to Canada and make a fast buck off the backs of the Canadian system that R-CALF wanted no part of.

 

[Anonymous]

Sandbag: "How many cattle were bought by R-CALF members? I don't need an exact number, round it to the nearest thousand."

The number of cattle purchased by R-CULT members is a classic "red herring" diversion of attention.

Leo defended R-CULT members buying Canadian cattle claiming that NCBA members were also buying Canadian cattle. That in itself was a stupid argument because NCBA wasn't fighting to keep the border closed like the hypocritical R-CULTers were.


~SH~

 

[Sandhusker]

Tam, "Econ tell us if all beef coming from Canada was tainted and a genuine risk of death if imported into the US as R-CALF CLAIMED IT WAS then why were R-Calf supporters in Canada buying cheap cattle and selling the meat into the US market with the rest of the Canadian beef? R-CALF's own members didn't believe the crap Leo was spouting or they would not have been buying Canadian cattle. So why is it freedom of speech when R-CALF lies to hold up a whole industry but it is industry retaliation against producers if the Canadian slaughter plants decide they want to support the Canadian producers by not buying R-CALF Supporter owned cattle at the same price they were willing to pay Canadian producers?"

How many cattle were bought by R-CALF members? I don't need an exact number, round it to the nearest thousand.

How many R-CALF members were buying Canadian cattle?

I'm with Bill do your own research but calling the R-CALF office will probably do you no good as Leo changed his story so it wouldn't look so bad for R-CALF's credibility on the tanited beef line. He first came out defending the R-CALF supporters rights to buy cattle in Canada by saying "I don't see anything wrong with it as these guys have been going it for years."
But all those other years R-CALF wasn't claiming our beef was a genuine risk of death were they?
So when on the RFD-TV program they had Shae asked him about it and his answer was "There were no R-CALF supporters in Canada buying cattle why would they there is not value in it for them." See how the story changes when the truth goes against the story R-CALF wants everyone to believe. Leo can deny it and so can you but there were quotes in news articles on both sides of the border from the R-CALF supporters whining about how the packers stole their profits and how they lost their shirts. Well to bad alot of Canadian producers lost their shirts because of R-CALFS lies and delays so why shouldn't they. That was the price they paid by thinking they could come to Canada and make a fast buck off the backs of the Canadian system that R-CALF wanted no part of.

You know R-CALF members were buying cattle up there and losing their shirts, but you don't have any idea of how many members there were and how many cattle. All you have is heresay and no facts. In short, you don't KNOW anything.

Here's what I KNOW, Tam. There very well could of been a few R-CALF members buying cattle up there. If the actual number could be found, I would wager that it was a very, very small number compared to the membership rolls and not as what you are trying to allude to.

I KNOW R-CALF did not encourage members to buy Canadian cattle, and that they have no control over individual member's business activities. To hold R-CALF somehow responsible for a handful of members going against the orginization's policy would be the same as holding the Republican party responsible for a member getting an abortion or holding the Democrat party responsible for a member buying a pistol at a gun show. :roll:

This latest attempt to discredit R-CALF is just as comical as BMR trying to paint them as antagonists to Creekstone. You folks are tinkling upwind. :lol:

 

[Tam]

It would have been nice to have a Packers and Stockyards Act for Canada, wouldn't it?

Tam, I am not in rcalf and don't know anything except what is posted on this board and what my neighbor friend tells me from time to time--and he isn't even in the know. I don't answer for them but I know I wouldn't trust a thing about your characterizations of anyone. After the nonsense you have posted on this board, you have no credibility with me. I gave you the same chance I give everyone and you blew it.

There is an old saying--What comes around goes around. You should realize that in all of your dealings and try to be over the fray of the people who participate in the little things you talk about in this post. Two wrongs don't make a right, they just perpetuate more wrongs.

I don't know why you hate this Leo so much, but you better figure out a way around it.

Take a break from posting your childish name calling posts on here and Do some research on R-CALF. Look for the truth and consistency in their story line and Please point it out as many have looked and can't seem to find it.

And thank you I'm very happy that I don't have any credibility with you as to have any I would have to have the same bent prespective on life as you have. I choose to live a life where the truth means something and accusations with no evidence to back them up are a waste of valuable time.

Yes I'm glad you said that, "Two wrongs don't make a right, they just perpetuate more wrongs". because in R-CALFs case Cebull supported them and the Court of Appeal saw that two wrongs don't make a right and reversed one of the wrongs so a wrong was a WRONG again. Pickett was also wrong, the jury back it up and the Judge corrected one of the wrongs and the wrong when back to being WRONG. In the cases of R-CALF The full Court of Appeal (40 some Judges) backed the 3 Judges and in the Pickett cases the COURT of Appeal backed up the Judge. So I guess you are right once two wrongs don't make a right. And Just because you claim the packers are doing something wrong and Rod claims it doesn't make it so as the Three investigations done found NO EVIDENCE TO BACK YOUR CLAIMS. So again two wrongs don't make a right.

And if you don't know why I hate ***** LEO and ******** BULLARD then you haven't been paying much attention. It is because they have lied to the media about the Canadian beef industry and the product we produce and flip flopped on stories to the point of making my stomach turn. And the only way around it is to have them admit for once in their lifetime that they LIED to further their agenda of stopping trade with Canada. And with a hit like that to the credibility of a so called up and coming industry leader how long do you think it will take for R-CALF to be just a bad memory

 

[Tam]

What is your problem with the Packers ECON why do you hate them so much and can't you work around it being you aren't a producer or are you? :???: