Some of the threads had me thinking back to times I have done things when it seemed the only option to me.......Some of you may be quick to jump on it, maybe I can cite some examples that may make you think as well...
I had a friend with no facilities exceot a corner pst. He had an old Glebvieh/Saler cross cow that had huge bottle tits and wasn't feeding a calf. He had to do something...I don't remember how it got on there, as I am sure we roped her to get her to that corner...But she had a Halter on and we snubbed her up close....
As Bob Milked her, she would keep kicking and would occasionally walk over him with her hind end. She would kick a calf off as well.....
I could see we werent going to gt the calf milk or someone was going to get hurt. What I did is never my first or even second choice, but it is effective. Basically, get her to focus on something else so she can quit knocking the milk pail over or mauling over the calf or guy with her hind end....
A vet had taught me a trick, or maybe it was an old cowboy. Basically, a thumb in one eye and she forgot all about what was going on around her udders. She stood there like a twitched horse. Long term, I did nothing to irrepairibly cause any harm, the calf got stronger and she eventually raised the calf and let anyone that would milk her....
I have done the same or even used my thumbs as "nose tongs" in a cows nose in a chute when she was windmilling her head and potentially going to hurt someone...
BTW, the guy kept the cow and ran into the same problem the next year. I refused to help him again, LOL...
Ever grabbed a fold of a horses skin to "Nerve twitch them"? A vet showed me this with a mare in a horse stock that maybe was going to get hurt with all her fussing around....
My two examples are not to defend nor run anyone down....Just as I read through the threads, there are things I have done and never thought twice about......In both of these cases, definetly were trying to help the animal and keep people from getting hurt....As I read other threads I thought of these things and just wndered....
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I had a friend with no facilities exceot a corner pst. He had an old Glebvieh/Saler cross cow that had huge bottle tits and wasn't feeding a calf. He had to do something...I don't remember how it got on there, as I am sure we roped her to get her to that corner...But she had a Halter on and we snubbed her up close....
As Bob Milked her, she would keep kicking and would occasionally walk over him with her hind end. She would kick a calf off as well.....
I could see we werent going to gt the calf milk or someone was going to get hurt. What I did is never my first or even second choice, but it is effective. Basically, get her to focus on something else so she can quit knocking the milk pail over or mauling over the calf or guy with her hind end....
A vet had taught me a trick, or maybe it was an old cowboy. Basically, a thumb in one eye and she forgot all about what was going on around her udders. She stood there like a twitched horse. Long term, I did nothing to irrepairibly cause any harm, the calf got stronger and she eventually raised the calf and let anyone that would milk her....
I have done the same or even used my thumbs as "nose tongs" in a cows nose in a chute when she was windmilling her head and potentially going to hurt someone...
BTW, the guy kept the cow and ran into the same problem the next year. I refused to help him again, LOL...
Ever grabbed a fold of a horses skin to "Nerve twitch them"? A vet showed me this with a mare in a horse stock that maybe was going to get hurt with all her fussing around....
My two examples are not to defend nor run anyone down....Just as I read through the threads, there are things I have done and never thought twice about......In both of these cases, definetly were trying to help the animal and keep people from getting hurt....As I read other threads I thought of these things and just wndered....
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