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Tony and some legislator.

As hunters, we have paid for our public hunting areas with $$ collected from our licenses and gear we buy. Ducks unlimited and other conservation groups also help with land purchases.....its a WONDERFUL thing.

I have and will continue to road hunt. I like to hunt with my sons and or myself often and small areas such as ditches, are productive areas to walk with a good bird dog such as i have. I dont feel hunting should be something that takes alot of planning. If my son and i are sitting around sunday afternoon watching a crummy vikings game, we just may at the spur of the moment go hunting. Other hunts do require more planning. I do know several hunters that have stopped hunting because of all the rules and regulations, and thats too bad. Most are old timers that remember the "good ol days" but others i talk to dont hunt because they feel they dont have a place to hunt. There is a very large amount of $ out there the small towns such as yours could use in their tax base. Im sure there are none of you that want to pay more for taxes.

There is plenty of public lands to hunt....ditches included for everyone, and there is getting to be more all the time. Most public areas are not too crowded, but sometimes they are. The key is get there before anyone else and stake out our spot. The game is not owned by anyone, however, if its on private land, we must get permission. I have and will continue to drive along and see a bird, pull over, get out and shoot.....its legal. If you ask me, its more ethical than waiting next to a deer feeder like is done at other states. Its been going on for years and years and years, and only recently (last 15 yrs or so) has it ever become a problem. The problem has risen from those that have pay to hunt customers..period. Then others get on the band wagon.

None of the hunters on this web site have ever said the landowners owe us something. As a matter of fact, the only ones saying they are owed something is the landowners, for feeding our game.

How this thread ever became a road hunting thread, i dont know.
 
Southdakotahunter said:
As hunters, we have paid for our public hunting areas with $$ collected from our licenses and gear we buy. Ducks unlimited and other conservation groups also help with land purchases.....its a WONDERFUL thing.

I have and will continue to road hunt. I like to hunt with my sons and or myself often and small areas such as ditches, are productive areas to walk with a good bird dog such as i have. I dont feel hunting should be something that takes alot of planning. If my son and i are sitting around sunday afternoon watching a crummy vikings game, we just may at the spur of the moment go hunting. Other hunts do require more planning. I do know several hunters that have stopped hunting because of all the rules and regulations, and thats too bad. Most are old timers that remember the "good ol days" but others i talk to dont hunt because they feel they dont have a place to hunt. There is a very large amount of $ out there the small towns such as yours could use in their tax base. Im sure there are none of you that want to pay more for taxes.

There is plenty of public lands to hunt....ditches included for everyone, and there is getting to be more all the time. Most public areas are not too crowded, but sometimes they are. The key is get there before anyone else and stake out our spot. The game is not owned by anyone, however, if its on private land, we must get permission. I have and will continue to drive along and see a bird, pull over, get out and shoot.....its legal. If you ask me, its more ethical than waiting next to a deer feeder like is done at other states. Its been going on for years and years and years, and only recently (last 15 yrs or so) has it ever become a problem. The problem has risen from those that have pay to hunt customers..period. Then others get on the band wagon.

None of the hunters on this web site have ever said the landowners owe us something. As a matter of fact, the only ones saying they are owed something is the landowners, for feeding our game.

How this thread ever became a road hunting thread, i dont know.
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The whole purpose of the thread was to bash our friend LB. You hunters rights goof-balls that want to discredit those here should just realize you're not making headway. Most of us welcome hunters but to a point. The actions shown here are why so many places are posted.
 
Doug Thorson I have eliminated the he said she said by having a video camera, still camera and tape recorder at all times. I carry it like I carry my cell phone or purse. Whether it is a hunter or law enforcement person it is always running. I would probably never call a game warden as you have to remember their paycheck is generated through licenses. I would call my Sheriff as he is elected and takes an oath to protect the citizens whom elected him. Susan Clarkson
 
As hunters, we have paid for our public hunting areas with $$ collected from our licenses and gear we buy. Ducks unlimited and other conservation groups also help with land purchases.....its a WONDERFUL thing.
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You answered my question.....................you do not pay any additional cost for hunting public lands over a piece of private land that a landowner lets you hunt on.
You my friend are a hypocrite(or whichever one of you who condemned subsidies),....................you are getting a freebie from the gov..................You hunters are on the SUBSIDY bandwagon that you condemn.

Now if the ole dillusional moron pjoe will answer the question. Bet he don't
 
passin thru said:
Do you expect to hunt on public land free of any fees?



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Oh, sorry, I forgot, taxes that I pay on my land/sales/and income and my hunting fees don't count! :roll: YOUR money funds the whole freaking state! Notice how everything you type reeks of greed and your [b]"if it's not "mine" it don't count attitude." [/b]

I don't understand where you get off. I promise you I have way more road right-of-way on my ground then you will ever have living out in the boonies. You don't see us bitching and complaining and sticking out the coffers! I'll save you the typing, It's not a "east river" thing. You seem to be some old custy fart who took it in the @ss once to many and is just looking at a way to get even with the world.

Read this about 10 times so it might have a chance to sink into that pee brain thick skull of yours.
[quote="Southdakotahunter"]
None of the hunters on this web site have ever said the landowners owe us something. As a matter of fact, the only ones saying they are owed something is the landowners, for feeding our game. [/quote]

Prove otherwise or shut you trap.

I'm done. I'm out, I'm sick of arguing with your stupid @ss.

SDHunter and Public hunter, little advice
You can't argue with morons, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. :-) :lol2:
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passin thru said:
You answered my question.....................you do not pay any additional cost for hunting public lands over a piece of private land that a landowner lets you hunt on.
You my friend are a hypocrite(or whichever one of you who condemned subsidies),....................you are getting a freebie from the gov..................You hunters are on the SUBSIDY bandwagon that you condemn.

Now if the ole dillusional moron pjoe will answer the question. Bet he don't
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Didn't see this until I posted.

And where the hell do you pay an additional fee for public land???? All of GF&P owned land is funded by hunters. None of your taxes go into it!

And public land is just that, public. You can hunt\walk\camp\whatever on it just as well as the next person. Don't dare bring up grazing fees. You are paying for the exclusive right to graze in that situation (at a "Subsidy price) while the rest take back seat. You gripe and moan long enough, you will see hunters start to lease those public grazing lands, then you will really squeal about land going up :wink:

I didn't scream subsidy and no one did until you. Must really like my "dillusional moron" comment I made cause you have seem to coined it! Go back to you mailbox with your coffer d!psh!t :!: :D
 
the one reason that hunter numbers are in decline is access of grounds to hunt! More going to pay to hunt leaves the low and lower middle income on the outside looking in. Those are the numbers in decline, the family man and his kids, these are the backbone of hunting and are the ones who really need public access becuase they simply can not afford to spend 1,000's on hunting fees each year!

Hunters pay there own way with license fees, pitt/robertson dollars, conservation org memberships and donations and alot of people other than hunters benefit froms these 100's of millions each year! These are facts!
 
Landowners pay there own way as well. I guess we can call this thread a wash.

I am also proud to have Betty Olson as a Representative ( I think this is where this all started).
 
Happy go lucky said:
the one reason that hunter numbers are in decline is access of grounds to hunt! More going to pay to hunt leaves the low and lower middle income on the outside looking in. Those are the numbers in decline, the family man and his kids, these are the backbone of hunting and are the ones who really need public access becuase they simply can not afford to spend 1,000's on hunting fees each year!

Hunters pay there own way with license fees, pitt/robertson dollars, conservation org memberships and donations and alot of people other than hunters benefit froms these 100's of millions each year! These are facts!
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Not many ranchers are opposed to a family or two hunting on their place all the time. I know I don't. I like to see people enjoy the outdoors . Especially kids. Very few people are opposed to that. I had a man come see me today to ask if he can use a metal detector on a place of mine. I of course said he could and that he didn't have to ask each time. Use it like it was his but to also take care of it like it was his. Fill the holes he digs, if he comes across a thistle, dig it. Hole in the fence, call me. Seemed like a nice fella. What I don't like is some fool that thinks since there aren't any signs up against trespassing my place is his to do what he pleases. It's my place. The field is the site of a civil war battle. Those mini-balls and coat buttons belong to me. They're on my land but I am glad for these men who enjoy digging artifacts to go hunt for them and take them for their own when they find them.
 
P joe.....................you dillusional moron..................you are rambling.



And you still have not answered the question without trying to dance around the issue.

When you hunt public land do you pay an additional fee for this hunting opportunity?
 
Red Robin said:
Not many ranchers are opposed to a family or two hunting on their place all the time. I know I don't. I like to see people enjoy the outdoors . Especially kids. Very few people are opposed to that. I had a man come see me today to ask if he can use a metal detector on a place of mine. I of course said he could and that he didn't have to ask each time. Use it like it was his but to also take care of it like it was his. Fill the holes he digs, if he comes across a thistle, dig it. Hole in the fence, call me. Seemed like a nice fella. What I don't like is some fool that thinks since there aren't any signs up against trespassing my place is his to do what he pleases. It's my place. The field is the site of a civil war battle. Those mini-balls and coat buttons belong to me. They're on my land but I am glad for these men who enjoy digging artifacts to go hunt for them and take them for their own when they find them.
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Amen. It's just a shame that more "land owners" don't feel this same way like you and I do!
 
P Joe said:
Red Robin said:
Not many ranchers are opposed to a family or two hunting on their place all the time. I know I don't. I like to see people enjoy the outdoors . Especially kids. Very few people are opposed to that. I had a man come see me today to ask if he can use a metal detector on a place of mine. I of course said he could and that he didn't have to ask each time. Use it like it was his but to also take care of it like it was his. Fill the holes he digs, if he comes across a thistle, dig it. Hole in the fence, call me. Seemed like a nice fella. What I don't like is some fool that thinks since there aren't any signs up against trespassing my place is his to do what he pleases. It's my place. The field is the site of a civil war battle. Those mini-balls and coat buttons belong to me. They're on my land but I am glad for these men who enjoy digging artifacts to go hunt for them and take them for their own when they find them.
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Amen. It's just a shame that more "land owners" don't feel this same way like you and I do!
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There are very few land owners that I know that are actually selfish with their land. Most are happy to let some hunters. What we're not happy to do is be told what we have to do with our land. The few I know that don't allow any hunting have that position based on a bad experience or two. I don't allow some to hunt on my land. One fella that I've ran off a time or two had a tree stand set up less than 100 yards from my house. I took the stand down , sold it, kept the money and told him not to come back , plainly. He wanted his stand back. I told him to stick it in his ear and not let me catch him back on me EVER. That kind of hunter makes it tempting to post everything and enforce it. You guys coming on her with an arrogant attitude and trying to publicly embarrass LB doesn't help your case with me or anyone else.
 
There are always a few bad apples in every faction of life. If I have trouble with a hunter or anyone entering my land without permission I call the law (sheriff).

Game fish and parks needs to realize they are a agency for all, not just for the money. They also need to realize they need to ask permission before entering unless they can see someone in the commission of a crime, probable cause or reasonable suspicion. Profiling is illegal and that to me is just what some are willing to let them do. I am not willing to be considered a criminal for just being a landowner and if I were a hunter I would not pay to be considered a criminal. Game fish and parks interpretation of the "open-fields-doctrine" is just that, profiling. I have more faith in the landowners and hunters in South Dakota.

We need to band together and change this interpretation and make Game and Fish follow all the law just as we do. We are better people than they are portraying us.

I also think everyone should go to their law library and look up the definition of "public land".
 
How Mr Passin, is that a subsidy? We pay the taxes on the public hunting areas. they are not taken off the tax books. Our licenses pay for that every year. If i have paid and continue to pay thru the purchace of licenses and shotgun shells/gear that is taxed for that purpose, how does that become a subsidy??? Subsidies and welfare is the same thing. You get something for nothing. There is a farmer in my area that farms 10s of thousands of acres. the same farmer that got busted for poaching. It costs him upwards of 750k to plant. He gets a check from our wonderful govmt for 3 plus mill. thats getting something for nothing. thats a subsidy. If i had never bought a license and had a picnic on the land, you may be right....... (you brought it up)
passin thru said:
As hunters, we have paid for our public hunting areas with $$ collected from our licenses and gear we buy. Ducks unlimited and other conservation groups also help with land purchases.....its a WONDERFUL thing.
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You answered my question.....................you do not pay any additional cost for hunting public lands over a piece of private land that a landowner lets you hunt on.
You my friend are a hypocrite(or whichever one of you who condemned subsidies),....................you are getting a freebie from the gov..................You hunters are on the SUBSIDY bandwagon that you condemn.

Now if the ole dillusional moron pjoe will answer the question. Bet he don't
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here is the difinition of public lands. Im guessing we may be using that word wrong. What should we be saying??

public land
One entry found.

public land



Main Entry: public land
Function: noun
Date: 1789
: land owned by a government; specifically : that part of the United States public domain subject to sale or disposal under the homestead laws
 
My license fees pay for.........any food plots established. fences if needed. taxes being paid yearly, the game and fish workers that have to try to keep it in good condition. It also pays for studies on the lands, the tagging of the animals/birds for management purposes etc. Signs that are pulled out by who ever. signs shot/destroyed and the purchaces of new areas.
 
What do you pay to hunt the State land I lease. To use it for hunting. The people in my family that hunt pay that and for the grass they lease, thier use. What do you pay?
 
The answer is nothing. I pay for my right to graze the state land I lease and you pay nothing for your right to hunt.
 
That is right a liscence is the same charge whether you hunt private or public land. If they had an entry fee to hunt on public land and you paid that the hunters would have a point. Until then they are recieving a subsidy.
 

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