USDA to appeal Montana court decision

[Mike]

I don't know about the others but I am aginst the us importing any beef from Canada. Boxed, live or any other way. At least untill we get our export markets.

Pretty much falls in line with the NCBA stance. Get the export markets open first.

 

[Anonymous]

Mike: "Your being the "MASTER" of diversion should qualify you to see that you are the one diverting from your original question."

Hahaha!

How does that work?

I asked a question and you answered it.

I asked another question and you diverted it.

Did you expect me to ask the same question again to avoid your "perception" of divertion??? LOL!

If you wanted to continue on the original question, why didn't you ask a question in response after answering it ???? Good grief!

You need to have Dorn set you straight again.


Mike: "Personally I would agree to the testing, especially by the Canadians, they have proved that they can test accurately."

Where is the test that would detect prions in cattle under 24 months of age and how reliable is it?


Mike: "Discredit? Where?"

Discredit was Sandblaster's contribution not yours. You diverted.



~SH~

 

[mrj]

Does anyone know who the members of the NMA and the AMI are?

My understanding has been that NMA is the smaller packers and AMI is the larger ones.

Which, if true, makes me wonder why R-CALF and friends are trying to harm the smaller packers that (in some northern parts of the nation) are harmed most by the lack of cattle coming in from Canada.

Any factual information would be appreciated.

Porker, you are so funny! "Mercenaries"......what a hoot!

MRJ

 

[Tommy]

mj...Does anyone know who the members of the NMA and the AMI are?

NMA General Members
Advance Food Company, Inc.
Aidell's Sausage
Alaska Sausage
All American Meats
Alpine Meats
Amaral and Sons, Inc.
American Foods Group
American Meats Processors, LLC
Angus Meats, Inc.
Aries Prepared Beef
Beef Products
Bridgford Foods
Burnett and Son
Busseto Foods
Calmeco, Inc.
Carlton Farms
Cattaneo Bros.
Caviness Packing Co.
Clipper Foods, Inc.
Clougherty Packing Co.
Coast Packing Company
Coleman Natural Beef
ConAgra
Continental Deli Foods (Foodbrands America, Inc.)
Continental Sausage
Creekstone Farms Premium Beef, L.L.C.
Daily Foods, Inc.
Don Miguel Foods
Facciola Meat Company
Far West Meats
First Class Foods
Flying Food Group
Galant Food Company
Gerhard's Napa Valley Sausage
GFI America, Inc.
Goldberg & Solovy Foods
Golden State Foods
Golden Tiger
Harris Farms
Heatherfield Foods (Villa Roma Sausage)
Holten Meat Inc.
Independent Meat Co.
IN-N-OUT Burger
Iowa Packing Co.
Isernio Sausage Co.
Jobbers Meat Packing Co., Inc.
Juanita's Foods
Just Foods
K& N Meats (Stock Yards Meat Packing)
King's Command Foods, Inc.
La Espanola Meats
Lopez Foods
Lower Foods
Marisa Foods
Maverick Ranch Lite Beef
Miller Packing Co.
Molinari & Sons, P.G.
Monterey Pasta Company
Moran's All Natural
Needham, Inc.
New Horizon
Niman Ranch
OSI Industries, Inc.
Oberto Sausage Co
Old World German Sausage
Overhill Farms
Palo Duro Meat Processing
Papa Cantella's
PM Global Foods
PM Holding, LLC
Pocino Foods Company
Premium Protein Products, LLC
Prime Smoked Meats
Ranch Foods Direct, LLC
Rite-Way Meat Packers, Inc.
Rocky Mountain Natural Meats, Inc.
Russak's Meats
Saags Products, Inc.
Sam Kane Beef Processors
Sand Dollar Holdings, Inc. (Harvest Meat Co.,Inc.)
Schenk Packing Co., Inc.
Serv-Rite Meat Co. (Packers Bar/Colony Meat)
Shelton's Poultry, Inc.
Sioux Preme Packing Co.
Specialty Brands
Squab Producers of CA, Inc.
Superior Farms (Transhumance, Inc.)
Swiss American Sausage Co.
Taylor Beef
Tengu Company, Inc.
Tillamook Country Smoker, Inc.
Tyson Foods
Uncle Charley's Sausage
Unibright Foods, Inc.
Unistar Foods, Inc.
Valley Meat Company
Villa Roma Sausage Co.
Wei-Chuan USA, Inc.
West Lake Food Corporation
White Castle Systems, Inc.
Wimmer's Meat Products
Wolverine Packing Co.
Yosemite Meat Co.
Zenner's Quality Sausage and Smoked Meats

NMA Allied and International Members
Addison Foods
Australian Premium Brands, Inc.
Britco Pork
Burger King Corporation
Centennial Food
Certified Hereford Beef
CKE Restaurants
Dewied International
Encos Global Systems, Ltd.
Farmworld International Foods, Inc.
Foodcomm International
Foster Farms
Frigorifico Kowi, S.A. de C.V.
Gurrentz International Corporation
HEB Grocery Co.
International Casing Group
Jack-in-the-Box, Inc.
Meat & Livestock Australia, Ltd.
Meyer Natural Foods, LLC
Pilot Brands
Pinnacle C.G. Corp.
Ronald A. Chisholm Ltd.
Richmond Specialty Beef Importers, Ltd.
Richmond Wholesale Meat
Sintec Impianti Srl
Vintage Foods

NMA Associate Members
Abbott Laboratories, Inc.
ABC Research Corp.
ABCO Incorporated
AEW-Thurne
Agrimetrics Associates, Inc.
Alaniz & Schraeder
Alchemy Training Systems, LP
Alcide Corp.
ALF Ventures
Alkar-Rapidpak, Inc.; Alkar-Rapidpak, Inc.
Anresco Laboratories
Aspen Systems
Baader North America Corp.
Barliant & Company
BFD Corp.
Bio-Cide International, Inc.
BioControl
Bio-Rad Laboratories
Birko Corp.
BOC Gases
Carter & Burgess
Carruther's Equipment Co.
Cat2
CHAD Company
Challenge-RMF, Inc
Chr. Hansen, Inc.
Clausen Engineering
Cozzini, Inc.
Cryovac, Inc.
Curwood, Inc.
Donlevy Laboratories
Dupont Qualicon, Inc.
Dupps
Ecolab, Inc.
eMerge Interactive
Enviro-Pak
Exact Equipment
The Facility Group
First Spice Co.
Food Processing Equipment Co. (FPEC)
FoodSafe Systems
Formax, Inc.
Foss North America
Gleeson Constructors
GuaranTek Analytical Laboratories
GUARDiON
HACCP Consulting Group L.L.C.
Handtmann, Inc.
Harland M. Braun & Co./Braun Export
Hemostat Laboratories
Hollymatic Corp.
Hydrite Chemical Co.
IMI Global, Inc.
Intentia Americas Inc.
International Paper
Jacobsen Publishing
KOCH Equipment
Le Fiell Co.
Marshfield Laboratories
Meatlonn USA, Inc.
Medtrol, Inc.
Mepsco, Inc.
Merrill Lynch
Michelson Laboratories, Inc.
Mionix Corporation
M.P.S.C., Inc.
MPBS Industries Meat Packers & Butchers Supply
Neogen
NSF Cook & Thurber
Nutec Manufacturing
ORBIS
Pacific Coast Companies
Packaging Technologies, Inc.
Parker Consulting Group
PBI Dansensor America, Inc.
Pechiney Plastic Packaging
Prionics AG
Purac America, Inc.
Ram Market Solutions
Red Arrow Products Company
Risco USA Corp.
RMS Research Management Systems USA, Inc.
Robert Reiser & Co., Inc.
Ross Systems
Safe Foods Corp.
Safefresh Technologies
Sander A. Kessler & Associates, Inc.
Scan American Corp.
Scanvaegt U.S., Inc.
Silliker Laboratories Group, Inc.
Skinner Systems, Inc.
Socopac Company
Southwest Hide Co.
Speco, Inc.
State Compensation Insurance Fund
Sterling Solutions
Strategic Diagnostics, Inc.
Success Partners, Inc.
Supply Systems
The Lazar Company
The Salt Group
The Stellar Group
Teepak
Tipper Tie
Townsend Engineering
Urschell Laboratories, Inc.
Viskase
Volk Enterprises, Inc.
Weber, Inc.
Weiler and Company Inc.
Wolfson Casing Corp.

Here is the link to AMI's member list.
http://www.meatami.com/Content/NavigationMenu/Buy_Sell/AMIMemberCompanyLinks/AMIMemberCompanyLinks.htm

 

[Sandhusker]

Divert and Discredit.

You two make a good team.

Why don't you just answer the damn question?

If Canada BSE tested UTM cattle would R-CALF oppose opening the Canadian border to UTM cattle that are now coming down in boxes?

Yes or no?



~SH~

Oh, Master of the Diversion and Colonel of the Strawman,

To the best of my knowledge, R-CALF has never said what they would think to accepting tested beef. You could ask them, except you claim they always lie.... Come to think of it, all do is deceive....why are you asking me?

Here's a conundrum for you SH. You claim that I always deceive.... I'm deceiving you right now..... If I say that I'm deceiving, I have to be telling the truth as I always deceive, but how can I be telling the truth if I always deceive? That should get you chasing your tail until your noggin blows a gasket.

 

[mlsfarms]

Label it all as to country of origin(where have you heard that before?) If USDA can feel comfortable in the safety of Canadian beef , then USDA should feel comfortable serving Canadian beef in their subsidized school hot lunch program. Let's see how far that goes.

 

[Tam]

I don't know about the others but I am aginst the us importing any beef from Canada. Boxed, live or any other way. At least untill we get our export markets.

Pretty much falls in line with the NCBA stance. Get the export markets open first.

So will your export market being open take the risk of Canadian beef away from your Consumer or are you saying this is purely a trade issue and has nothing to do with Food Safety. As long as Japans border are open to us we'll take Canadian?

 

[Anonymous]

The majority of the food safety issue would be moot if we had COOL-- individual consumers could use their own knowledge and feelings about the multiple number of BSE theories and decide on their own if Canadian beef is safe....Sounds correct and simple...

Even Judge Cebull in his ruling was incensed over the fact that the imported Canadian beef is mixed with domestic and the consumer has no way of knowing if what they are eating came from Canada or the US...That is what gave some in the courthouse the feeling that if asked- he will sign another injunction to stop all Canadian imports...

Could have been easily taken care of if the packers, supported by USDA and NCBA, weren't so bent on deceiving the consumer-- we would have MCOOL.........And one much stronger than the one on the books today....

 

[Mike]

I don't know about the others but I am aginst the us importing any beef from Canada. Boxed, live or any other way. At least untill we get our export markets.

Pretty much falls in line with the NCBA stance. Get the export markets open first.

So will your export market being open take the risk of Canadian beef away from your Consumer or are you saying this is purely a trade issue and has nothing to do with Food Safety. As long as Japans border are open to us we'll take Canadian?

I was making a comment about Alabama's stance being the same as the NCBA stance. I don't feel as if there is a risk with Canadian beef personally.

 

[Murgen]

The majority of the food safety issue would be moot if we had COOL-- individual consumers could use their own knowledge and feelings about the multiple number of BSE theories and decide on their own if Canadian beef is safe....Sounds correct and simple... [/code]

OT- no it would not be moot, because the FDA, USDA job is to provide safety for the US citizens. That's what they are trying to do. COOL is a trade and loyalty issue, that's R-calf's job.

Mixing the issues of safety and trade is why there is a problem.

 

[Anonymous]

The majority of the food safety issue would be moot if we had COOL-- individual consumers could use their own knowledge and feelings about the multiple number of BSE theories and decide on their own if Canadian beef is safe....Sounds correct and simple... [/code]

OT- no it would not be moot, because the FDA, USDA job is to provide safety for the US citizens. That's what they are trying to do. COOL is a trade and loyalty issue, that's R-calf's job.

Not according to Judge Cebull.....

 

[Murgen]

Well, we'll see what he's doing in another two years, retired with his herd of cows and his R-calf membership, I suppose!

 

[Anonymous]

Well, we'll see what he's doing in another two years, retired with his herd of cows and his R-calf membership, I suppose!

Naw- He's a fisherman.......Probably be at his cabin at the lake.....

 

[Manitoba_Rancher]

The majority of the food safety issue would be moot if we had COOL-- individual consumers could use their own knowledge and feelings about the multiple number of BSE theories and decide on their own if Canadian beef is safe....Sounds correct and simple...

Even Judge Cebull in his ruling was incensed over the fact that the imported Canadian beef is mixed with domestic and the consumer has no way of knowing if what they are eating came from Canada or the US...That is what gave some in the courthouse the feeling that if asked- he will sign another injunction to stop all Canadian imports...

Could have been easily taken care of if the packers, supported by USDA and NCBA, weren't so bent on deceiving the consumer-- we would have MCOOL.........And one much stronger than the one on the books today....



OT, Does the judge also state that he recieved a considerable amount of cash to make this ruling in R-calfs favor? No way in hell can one man make a ruling against a government agency in a few hours. Believe me I have already talked to a few lawyers about it and they said he already had his mind made up before he precided over the case.

 

[Anonymous]

The majority of the food safety issue would be moot if we had COOL-- individual consumers could use their own knowledge and feelings about the multiple number of BSE theories and decide on their own if Canadian beef is safe....Sounds correct and simple...

Even Judge Cebull in his ruling was incensed over the fact that the imported Canadian beef is mixed with domestic and the consumer has no way of knowing if what they are eating came from Canada or the US...That is what gave some in the courthouse the feeling that if asked- he will sign another injunction to stop all Canadian imports...

Could have been easily taken care of if the packers, supported by USDA and NCBA, weren't so bent on deceiving the consumer-- we would have MCOOL.........And one much stronger than the one on the books today....



OT, Does the judge also state that he recieved a considerable amount of cash to make this ruling in R-calfs favor? No way in hell can one man make a ruling against a government agency in a few hours. Believe me I have already talked to a few lawyers about it and they said he already had his mind made up before he precided over the case.

I really doubt that he was paid off-- not that type of person and already is pretty well off- can retire with pay for life..... The fact that you forget is that he had filings and briefs that both USDA and R-CALF had filed weeks and months in advance... He had a long time to read these and research these and the law.... That is how the majority of federal cases are handled...Much of the proceedings are done with filed briefs and depositions rather than live witness's-- this is done to expedite hearings and trials......

 

[Murgen]

And to cause appeals and extra expense! Expedition can be interpreted different ways.

 

[Manitoba_Rancher]

Murgen,

Heard R-calf sponsored Cebulls fishing yacht. Even has the sign SS R-calf on the side :lol:

 

[Murgen]

Heard R-calf sponsored Cebulls fishing yacht. Even has the sign SS R-calf on the side

Say hi to Gilligan, Mr. Cebull!

 

[Tam]

The majority of the food safety issue would be moot if we had COOL-- individual consumers could use their own knowledge and feelings about the multiple number of BSE theories and decide on their own if Canadian beef is safe....Sounds correct and simple...

Even Judge Cebull in his ruling was incensed over the fact that the imported Canadian beef is mixed with domestic and the consumer has no way of knowing if what they are eating came from Canada or the US...That is what gave some in the courthouse the feeling that if asked- he will sign another injunction to stop all Canadian imports...

Could have been easily taken care of if the packers, supported by USDA and NCBA, weren't so bent on deceiving the consumer-- we would have MCOOL.........And one much stronger than the one on the books today....



OT, Does the judge also state that he recieved a considerable amount of cash to make this ruling in R-calfs favor? No way in hell can one man make a ruling against a government agency in a few hours. Believe me I have already talked to a few lawyers about it and they said he already had his mind made up before he precided over the case.

I really doubt that he was paid off-- not that type of person and already is pretty well off- can retire with pay for life..... The fact that you forget is that he had filings and briefs that both USDA and R-CALF had filed weeks and months in advance... He had a long time to read these and research these and the law.... That is how the majority of federal cases are handled...Much of the proceedings are done with filed briefs and depositions rather than live witness's-- this is done to expedite hearings and trials......

Tell us Oldtimer if he really did want to see the whole true why didn't he allow the Friend of the court briefs that were asked for. Could they have change his decision and maybe some of the comments he had already typed up and didn't want to change so it didn't look as if he had already made up his mind?

 

[Anonymous]

I really doubt that he was paid off-- not that type of person and already is pretty well off- can retire with pay for life..... The fact that you forget is that he had filings and briefs that both USDA and R-CALF had filed weeks and months in advance... He had a long time to read these and research these and the law.... That is how the majority of federal cases are handled...Much of the proceedings are done with filed briefs and depositions rather than live witness's-- this is done to expedite hearings and trials......

Tell us Oldtimer if he really did want to see the whole true why didn't he allow the Friend of the court briefs that were asked for. Could they have change his decision and maybe some of the comments he had already typed up and didn't want to change so it didn't look as if he had already made up his mind?

Federal Judges usually stand for little BS--Kind of like old Jack Webb's "Just the facts lady"....They are nothing like the state courts which go into character witness's and days of testimony-- In this case he took the facts presented in briefs from the two contesting parties- went over them and the law briefs they submitted-- listened to an hour each of the attorneys oral arguments and made his decision... NORMAL way a federal judge operates... When it goes to trial he will look at further issues- but that said- federal courts usually only put up with and allow only about 1/2 of what state courts do.........