USFW & GF&P story from RCJ

[publichunter]

Lets look at this a little differently:

USFWS and or GF&P what could be the real reason?
1. they do not need to call the Sheriff.
2. they did not want to call the Sheriff, for whatever reason
3. they used necessary force in taking their prisoner to jail, (handcuffs)
4. they did not consider the not calling of the local Sheriff as disrespectful
5. they had dealt with the local Sheriff before on other issues and there was a perceived lack of cooperation on or from both sides?
6. they did it just to be dis-respectful

 

[Southdakotahunter]

Looks to me like the game warden has to call no one and it looks to me like the sheriff has to help him out when requested....this coming from the south dakota constitution.......

It still does not say who has power over who however it does say they can arrest when needed, no where does it say needs to call the sheriff, but it does says the sheriff has to help out the game warden when called to do so>>>>>> a bunch better than some stupid dictionary,dont ya think PT?!


41-15-10. Conservation officers authorized to execute process--Arrest without warrant-- Assistance by peace officers--"Conservation officer" defined. While performing their lawful duties assigned to them by the Department of Game, Fish and Parks, conservation officers and their supervisors have full power and authority to serve and execute all warrants and process of law issued by a court in enforcing the provisions of any law of the state in the same manner as any constable or sheriff may serve and execute the same. While performing their lawful duties assigned to them by the Department of Game, Fish and Parks, conservation officers and their supervisors have full power and authority to arrest, without a warrant, any person detected in the act of violating any laws of this state which they are authorized to enforce. For the purpose of enforcing the game, fish, parks, and boating laws, conservation officers and their supervisors may call to their aid any law enforcement officer or other persons, and all state's attorneys, law enforcement officers, and other persons shall, if called upon, enforce and aid in enforcing such laws. For purposes of this section the term, conservation officer, means any game, fish and parks employee whose duty is the enforcement of the game, fish, parks, and boating laws of this state.

Source: SDC 1939, § 25.0114; SL 1963, ch 134; SL 1973, ch 270; SL 2001, ch 235, § 1.

 

[Southdakotahunter]

here is some more,,,,,,i have not looked up any of these individually, guessing it will give Passing Thru something to do this weekend!

See ya monday!


41-15-10.1. Law enforcement powers of conservation officers certified or appointed by law enforcement officers standards commission. Any conservation officer, who is certified pursuant to §§ 23-3-39 to 23-3-45, inclusive, or has been appointed on a temporary or probationary basis as permitted by § 23-3-41, shall enforce every state statute:

(1) Which is a crime under Title 22;

(2) Which pertains to game, fish, parks, forestry, or boating;

(3) Which pertains to driving while intoxicated, reckless driving, or eluding an officer;

(4) Which is a crime under §§ 35-1-9.1 and 35-9-2 and occurs on property owned, managed, or leased by the Department of Game, Fish and Parks;

(5) Which is a crime under § 32-5-84.2;

(6) Which is a crime under § 32-20-6.6;

(7) Which is a crime under chapter 32-20A; and

(8) Which is a crime under chapter 34A-7.

While performing any duty pursuant to this section, a conservation officer is a law enforcement officer with the same authority as any other law enforcement officer.

Source: SL 1975, ch 264; SL 1982, ch 293; SL 1990, ch 336; SL 1995, ch 238; SL 1996, ch 193, § 2; SL 2001, ch 236, § 1.

 

[passin thru]

I am not going to wast my time anymore as I did not even read the last few post because it is like I said. What is there that it is so important to not do any notification.


The funniest thing about this whole thread is that we have a few that will find any and every EXCUSE in the book as to why they don't have to make one little call to the sheriff.

When I see this desperation of EXCUSES one has to waonder what is behind their motive and what are they HIDING

 

[P Joe]

I am not going to wast my time anymore as I did not even read the last few post because it is like I said. What is there that it is so important to not do any notification.


The funniest thing about this whole thread is that we have a few that will find any and every EXCUSE in the book as to why they don't have to make one little call to the sheriff.

When I see this desperation of EXCUSES one has to waonder what is behind their motive and what are they HIDING

I don't think you are understanding what everyone is trying to tell you. So I be real frank about it

GF&P DOESN'T HAVE TO CALL ANYONE TO DO THEIR JOB...

I don't agree with the action that Prieksat took. He should have showed up, written a ticket, had the pilot sign the ticket, and left. The pilot shouldn't have been arrested, but that was a judgement call Prieksat made. Hold him responsible for a bad judgement. Not the whole agency.

Now you can have your opinion on weather that is right or not. It is your OPINION. Not the law. If you want that law changed, send in LB to get it changed since she did such a good job of getting her other things done.

 

[Jinglebob]

I am not going to wast my time anymore as I did not even read the last few post because it is like I said. What is there that it is so important to not do any notification.


The funniest thing about this whole thread is that we have a few that will find any and every EXCUSE in the book as to why they don't have to make one little call to the sheriff.

When I see this desperation of EXCUSES one has to waonder what is behind their motive and what are they HIDING

I don't think you are understanding what everyone is trying to tell you. So I be real frank about it

GF&P DOESN'T HAVE TO CALL ANYONE TO DO THEIR JOB...

I don't agree with the action that Prieksat took. He should have showed up, written a ticket, had the pilot sign the ticket, and left. The pilot shouldn't have been arrested, but that was a judgement call Prieksat made. Hold him responsible for a bad judgement. Not the whole agency.

Now you can have your opinion on weather that is right or not. It is your OPINION. Not the law. If you want that law changed, send in LB to get it changed since she did such a good job of getting her other things done.

Okay, I just heard this on the radio today, in a case about tresspassing, BY the fed's, Ruth Bader Ginsberg handed down the decision stating that in a case of trespassing, the highest authority belongs to the county sherriff. The guy who was telling this made it a point to tell people that anytime you deal with a trespassing issue, to call the sherriff and if you are being tresspassed on by the fed, call the sherriff!

Seems to me that I guess I am going to call the sherriff, in all cases. If he doesn't want to deal with it he can call some other agency.

 

[passin thru]

I do understand what you are saying, you do not understand what I am saying.


To me it does not make a bit of difference who is top dog and who is "required to do anything"

The GW should inform the sheriff in case something comes up
it is called

COMMON COURTESY

COMMON COURTESY

COMMON COURTESY

COMMON COURTESY

COMMON COURTESY

COMMON COURTESY

COMMON COURTESY

COMMON COURTESY

COMMON COURTESY

COMMON COURTESY

ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT CAN NOT OBLIGE HIS FELLOW LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER THIS COURTESY IS NOT WORTH THEIR SALT.
IF HE KEEPS SAYING HE DOESN'T HAVE TO..............MAYBE HE DOESN'T.
IF HE DOESN'T HE IS ONLY ON A POWER TRIP AND THIS COUNTRY DOES NOT NEED ARROGANT INIVIDUALS LIKE THIS.
IF THE POUSA COMES TO A COUNTY.............OUT OF COURTESY HE SHOULD DO THE SAME

NOW I WILL SEE IF YOU UNDERSTAND SOMETHING AS BASIC AS THIS
.............................IF NOT...............WELL......................

 

[publichunter]

Common Courtesy is a two way street. How do you not know that perhaps your Sheriff has not been the most cooperative with Priekstat or even GF&P and they didnt want to call him?

 

[passin thru]

EXCUSES EXCUSES





NOW I WILL SEE IF YOU UNDERSTAND SOMETHING AS BASIC AS THIS
.............................IF NOT...............WELL......................

 

[Liberty Belle]

publichunter:Common Courtesy is a two way street. How do you not know that perhaps your Sheriff has not been the most cooperative with Priekstat or even GF&P and they didnt want to call him?

OK publichunter and P Joe, pay attention. I know for a fact that neither the USFW or GF&P had ANY contact with our sheriff. Zilch. Nada. Nothing. And they not only didn't let him know what was going on, which would have been common courtesy like passin thru said, but they sneaked around to make sure that he was headed out of town in the opposite direction before they went to the ranch to slap cuffs on our pilot.

Now maybe you think that's the way things should be done over there east river, but out here in the west we have big problems with these deer police usurping the guy we elected to enforce the law.

 

[publichunter]

Well so you have a problem with how they do business in the West? Is the whole world suppose to stop and take up your views? The way you try to bully people and basically tear them apart when someone doesnt agree with your opinion. That type of attitude gets you no where....Legislature....working groups....life in general...

 

[passin thru]

The way you try to bully people and basically tear them apart when someone doesnt agree with your opinion.

Tell that to yourself and your Game Warden friend.............it fits you both to a tee

 

[Happy go lucky]

SJ, just because one is elected does not give him or her a high power ranking! Jurisdiction is what gives power ranking in law enforcement.

Many states have a TIP"s based program the calls go to their respective game dept law officials, a small minority make it to other law enforcement agency's.

Here is some info.

TIP ANNUAL ACTIVITY REPORT FOR 2005 CALENDAR YEAR
The following report is an accounting of the Turn-In-Poachers (TIP) Program activity from the Iowa DNR Law Enforcement Bureau for calendar year 2005. The TIP Program is jointly administered by the Iowa Department of Natural Resources ' Law Enforcement Bureau and TIP of Iowa, Inc. (a private organization).

160 TIP calls (1-800-532-2020) received during regular business hours were processed and investigated. Those calls were subsequently assigned to local State Conservation Officers for investigation and disposition. 195 TIP calls were processed and investigated in 2004.
13 TIP calls resulted in successfully investigated cases in which 49 citations were written. This 8 percent success rate is on the low end of the long-term average of past year's success rates which have varied from 9 to 12 percent approximately.
30 successful TIP cases submitted for reward considerations were approved by the TIP board for reward payment totaling $7,600. This is an average of $250 reward per TIP case submitted.
8,659 total TIP calls have been processed and investigated with a total of 2,051 citations issued. $151,300 in rewards have been approved by the TIP Reward Committee. (The TIP program began in August of 1985). August 2005 was the twentieth anniversary of Iowa's Turn-In-Poachers (TIP) program.

Minnesota tips took 1,118 calls in 2004.

I could give more numbers but the point is alot of people are not calling the local sheriff on game violations nation wide, the tips program since it's inception fields many 1,000's of calls annually. Many more go directly to Co's phone's office or cell.

 

[P Joe]

OK publichunter and P Joe, pay attention. I know for a fact that neither the USFW or GF&P had ANY contact with our sheriff. Zilch. Nada. Nothing. And they not only didn't let him know what was going on, which would have been common courtesy like passin thru said, but they sneaked around to make sure that he was headed out of town in the opposite direction before they went to the ranch to slap cuffs on our pilot.

I undersand that you feel it would have been common courtesy for the GF&P to call the sheriff before hand. I don't disagree with that. But I think you are combining your feeling towards GF&P to arrive at that judgement.

Here is a fair question and please give me a fair answer.

Would we be having this discussion IF
Prieksat had not called the sheriff.
Prieksat went to said pilots house.
Prieksat wrote a ticket, much like a speeding ticket to said pilot.
Pilot signed ticket and acknowlede to either pay fines or appear in court.
Prieksat left premises.
Sheriff was never informed of any thing.

And if that is still wrong then please answer this one

Is it ok for a highway partolman to write a speeding ticket on a county owned road without informing the sheriff??

And one more.

Can a sheriff write up a ticket and investigate a poaching violation?

 

[P Joe]

Okay, I just heard this on the radio today, in a case about tresspassing, BY the fed's, Ruth Bader Ginsberg handed down the decision stating that in a case of trespassing, the highest authority belongs to the county sherriff. The guy who was telling this made it a point to tell people that anytime you deal with a trespassing issue, to call the sherriff and if you are being tresspassed on by the fed, call the sherriff!

Seems to me that I guess I am going to call the sherriff, in all cases. If he doesn't want to deal with it he can call some other agency.

Did that case involve simple trespassing or criminal trespassing?

 

[Jinglebob]

Okay, I just heard this on the radio today, in a case about tresspassing, BY the fed's, Ruth Bader Ginsberg handed down the decision stating that in a case of trespassing, the highest authority belongs to the county sherriff. The guy who was telling this made it a point to tell people that anytime you deal with a trespassing issue, to call the sherriff and if you are being tresspassed on by the fed, call the sherriff!

Seems to me that I guess I am going to call the sherriff, in all cases. If he doesn't want to deal with it he can call some other agency.

Did that case involve simple trespassing or criminal trespassing?

I have no idea. Feds were tresspassing on a guys ground and they fought over it. It went to the supreme court. Ginsbergs said in any case of tresspass, the highest authority was the local sherriff.

 

[SJ]

Public hunter--Well so you have a problem with how they do business in the West? Is the whole world suppose to stop and take up your views? The way you try to bully people and basically tear them apart when someone doesnt agree with your opinion. That type of attitude gets you no where....Legislature....working groups....life in general...

No, No, the whole world is not suppose to stop and take up our views. In fact I am as happy as a clam at high tide whether you do or not. I can hunt my property. We have asked that GF&P ask permission to enter our land, no money involved, just ask permission. We have a right to know who is on our property and why. You should be happy and the lockout shouldn't bother you at all as you have places to hunt "public property". When you signed your license to hunt, you chose to give up your rights, to be considered incompetent/ untrustworthy/ incapable of knowing right from wrong without being subject to search and seizure without probable cause, being in the commission of a crime or being under investigation. I have no problem with that, it was your choice. I have not signed any contract with GF&P and have not given up any of my rights.

As far as the law enforcement the Sheriff is elected, has a responsibility to the citizens of his county (the law dictionary states the sheriff is the first man and has jurisdiction over his county) to uphold all the laws whether they are state or federal. I personally will call the sheriff first, if the sheriff chooses to call in other law enforcement, I will leave that up to him.

I don't feel having an opinion or disagreeing is bullying people or tearing them apart, if you do, exercise your choice/right and don't click on.


If you don't know your rights, you have none.

If you don't stand up for your rights, you have willingly given them up!!




Happy
They don't call tips because they don't realize they could call their sheriff. They call the tips because they want to remain anonymous. Like ranchersnet, some talk more freely as long as they don't have to reveal themselves.

 

[P Joe]

Here is a fair question and please give me a fair answer.

Would we be having this discussion IF
Prieksat had not called the sheriff.
Prieksat went to said pilots house.
Prieksat wrote a ticket, much like a speeding ticket to said pilot.
Pilot signed ticket and acknowlede to either pay fines or appear in court.
Prieksat left premises.
Sheriff was never informed of any thing.

And if that is still wrong then please answer this one

Is it ok for a highway partolman to write a speeding ticket on a county owned road without informing the sheriff??

And one more.

Can a sheriff write up a ticket and investigate a poaching violation?

Any takers yet??

 

[SJ]

You have a taker but I am alittle busy right now. Stay tuned and I will be back.

 

[passin thru]

Any takers yet??

EXcuse me.....................if I can stop laughing long enough. Are you sure you aren't a comedian?

This fits with what I have been saying for numerous posts.

This question was answered long ago.................maybe in 20 or so more posts it will hit home for you.

To address this question again would be a waste of time

Now I know you are a smart man and will not have to ask again.........