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Want a chuckle? Check out Tony Dean today.

Lb you live ina world of fantasy not reality. What burden is lighter a 150 million paying 2.00 per year to keep National Parks going or 400,000 people of SD paying 2000.00 a year to keep the Parks going? You think any state government but a very few would have the funding to keep areas like the Black Hills and all other National Parks, BLM and US forest service ground in good condition?

I don't buy any portion of local governemnt doing it cheaper or we wouldn't have interstates remember these are paid for by all US taxpayers and not having a state trying to come up with the money of upkeep. Do you relize how many federal dollars are used in states exspecialy small states? Without the Feds kicking more into smaller states the tax rate versus the income would force people from smaller populated states to move out in droves.

Jinglebob you can hang tough but perception is not reality. If I remember right the state with the highest per head rate of fed tax dollars is North Dakota does anyone know why? Without that money comming into ND what do you suppose the outlook for ND in terms of population and jobs or job creation would be? Yet they are one of the most sparsely populated states in the nation. Then some in Fargo and Bismark wonder why their property taxes are insane and forceing old people to sell and move out.

Yep let's just turn everything over to local and state control because we would all be better off? Maybe "YOU" and yours, but remember you can't have a community without unity.
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Well Happy, one of us is out there in la la land all right, and since it isn't Jinglebob or me, I guess you're the one. You wouldn't happen to be French would you? Or Russian? Maybe Chinese?

Do you expect Big Brother to take care of all your wants and your needs? I guess you don't mind that big income tax bill taking a bite out of your wallet every year or are you also "on the dole" like so many of the folks that think the way you do?

Frankly, I'm dang sick of paying your bills, especially right now after making my annual pilgrimage to contribute to the federal government's "rob Peter to pay Paul" program. :evil:
 
LB, I just came back from doin' my taxes today and I had a dang poor year evidentley, as he said I probaly had enough taken out of the missus paycheck to cover us this year. Be the first year in a long time, I ain't had to write a check out to the fedrel reserve.

Took me a few years to find out, if you ain't payin' anything in, you ain't makin' any money.

Don't know if I've ever had to pay tax, just social security. Hope I get to spend some of it someday. :cry:
 
Lb great comeback dodge the facts and go into personnel asults! You need to move to MT and become a freeman and join the commune LOL! Don't you think if you where not paying fed taxes that even you in SD would be paying very high state income and property taxes? Just for basic services, not to mention your ideal of all lands being state and local controlled. Again what is less of a burden on smaller rural states and tax payers as a whole?

Your not footing my bill, as I pay my taxes just as you do. I would love a flat tax myself then everyone is paying there share, how about you flat tax no write offs and no returns?
 
Lb great comeback dodge the facts and go into personnel asults! You need to move to MT and become a freeman and join the commune LOL! Don't you think if you where not paying fed taxes that even you in SD would be paying very high state income and property taxes? Just for basic services, not to mention your ideal of all lands being state and local controlled. Again what is less of a burden on smaller rural states and tax payers as a whole?
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Well my dear Happy, you've finally hit on something we can agree on. Either a flat tax or a sales tax (my preference) would be fairer than the horribly inequitable mess we have now.

Just curious though – now don't take offense – but why do you think that if we were not paying federal income tax we'd have to have a "very high state income tax"? I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong, but in order to have a state income tax it would have to be voted on by either our legislators or put on the ballot for the voters to decide. Either way, it ain't gonna happen here. And there is nothing in the constitution that requires the states to pay the federal governments bills, so good luck coming up with a reason for this cockamamie idea.
 
LB your people would have no choice but to pass a state income tax, or many services would be cut and do good land managment on all your newly aquired acres of federal ground! Your tourism would drop as the benefits dwindled and as you had to take away ammenties from not being able to suport them with out more tax revenue and how would you 100% fund schools without an income tax or outragoulsy high property taxes?
There would be no 2 ways around it factualy No federal help would gurantee a state income tax and higher property taxes, if you could tell me how a state with your pop. could get by without I'm all ears? For every 1.00 SD sends to washington you receive back 1.46! That is from fical 00' do the math LB and tell me how you wouldn't need a state income tax inacted! SD ranks 9th in this list and ND ranks 3rd.
 
Give it a rest Happy and let us in South Dakota worry about it, okay?

This post of yours has so many errors, misconceptions, and outrageous statements that it makes my head ache just trying to follow your meandering ramblings. It's hard to fight a battle of wits with an unarmed man and I really don't get a thing from these conversations.

How old are you anyway? Twelve?
 
Lb I'll take that as you would show up to a gun fight with a knife and have ZERO, thats right Zero factual answers for the scenario we are debating, you look for the people of SD to enact on your loose canon ideas. Thank You, Have a good day! If someone can't have a debate it all goes back to name calling and dodging the question.
 
No hunting means No Hunting.....PERIOD!
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I like Wyoming Laws, right on the hunting license it says "No hunting, fishing or trapping with out permission of the land owner"
You can post here with signs saying the same thing ....
But then a Game warden can tresspass here if he thinks someone is poaching. But most G&F personal ask first .
 
I found this thread interesting right from the start.

I got a chuckle out of Tony Dean's hope to see a Mountain lion someday. I have a letter from TD stating he was on a turkey hunt and came upon a mountain lion. Tony Dean writes what is beneficial to Tony Dean.

South dakota hunter needs to read the farm bill and find out where all those$$$ actually go.
 
Yep...i should. I have seen some of the sites that show the subsidies alocations tho......There is bad and good in everything...all depends on how you look at it. I dont know what Tony said, but i am betting he ment he woudl like to see one in SD sometime...maybe he had seen one somewhere else before? No Idea.
 
Like for hot lunch, food stamps and so on !!!! I think you would be very suprised on how little goes to farmers/ranchers.
 
probably. But its all welfare, one way or the other. Cant dis one while taking the other. Bad thing, lets take hot lunch for one....sure is hard to make the kid suffer because of their parents may or may not be seeing some rough times....i myself would rather see a kid with a full tummy. Some $$ are better spent than others, thats for sure.
 
You are right it is all welfare and you benefit from it as well. Where in the world could you buy food as reasonable as in America?
 
1. Is it the Federal government that owns 80% of the land in this country, or does the 80% include ownership by ALL levels of government? Does that 80% of land owned by government seem just a bit high and extreme to anyone? It certainly seems reasonable to sell off at least 10 to 20 percent of the government owned land to private individuals because such ownership will produce a great amount of business activity which will generate money in the private sector AND more of that hated income tax! And that is above and beyond the initial flow of money to government from selling a pittance of the land they own. And I certainly do not believe it should go for education......it should go to cut the national debt, beginning with that owed to foreign nations.

2. How many are aware that the reason for large portions of federally owned land is because back in the homestead and western movement of people era, that land was considered worthless and no one wanted to own it, so the government was stuck with it. Certainly we need to keep some of the special or unique land formations as curiosities, parks, etc. However, people should pay the costs with entrance fees, and privatization of amenities in those parks. Many people do not have the opportunity to enjoy those places, so should not be burdened with the associated costs of government ownership with so little cost to those visiting and using the places.

3. How many know that the Welfare and Food Stamp, WIC, and more "entitlement" programs are funded by the Dept of Ag? I have heard, but do not know if it's true, that those programs far outstrip all programs for farmers in cost.

4. BTW, how many of you enjoy using hiways, water and sewer systems, hunting on CRP land, cooperative electric and phone systems, and more? Those all do or did, enjoy subsidies at some point in their history. NO ONE in the USA is un-benefitted by government subsidies. Maybe it is time to stop blaming farmers for all of it. Of course those subsidies are not FOR farmers, they are to keep food costs low for VOTERS, aka consumers.

MRJ
 
Food stamps, hot lunch, WIC ect. are a big part of the Farm Bill. I haven't been able to find the numbers that were sent to me but I believe around 20% of the total farm bill deals with the Farmer /rancher. I was really surprised at the numbers and will see if I can find them.

I find it interesting that the farmer/ranchers part of the bill is public information. Food stamps, free and reduced hot lunch ect. are all private.

I guess the old saying really runs true when they say what you don't know doesn't bother you much.

One can only be critical if they know who gets what and how much. It's is hard to say some dollars are better spent than others when you don't know who is getting the others and if they are deserving.
 
you are absolutely right....but as a general statement, its true, some $ are better spent than the others and we will never ever know where it all goes. I am sure we would be sick to our stomach if we did!

I disagree with you on selling 10-20 % of the government lands....and i guess, as i look around this great state, i have a hard time believing that 80% of all the land out there is ownd by the gov, weather it is local, state or feds......again, i am just an average citizen, maybe that statement is correct, im not gonna argue that. I dont mind paying a little to pay for some of these lands, because someday, i may want to go there. I have never been to yellowstone....sure would love to go there someday with my kids and wifeypoo, but i sure dont want to sell it off to someone, maybe a ted turner or anyone really....because it is OURS...yours, mine everyones. I know yellowstone would never be sold off, but maybe someone else loves a piece of public property, for whatever reason, and feels strongly about it...just because you or me feel the land is worthless dont mean it should be sold....Its everyones land. As soon as it is sold off, its not ours anymore..... I know, maybe we could sell off the Black Hills National Forest to Ted Turner, He could rename it...."turner broacastings Black Hills of South Dakota" and probably recieve some huge tax incentive for whatever scary reason that is out there. Its not our fault Washington is spending like there is no tomorrow....many in washington are spending like the Democrats used to....look at all the pork out there....most is sure not spent on homeland security or the war...if it was, we wouldnt have to worry about all the ILLEGAl immegrants from Mexico and such....The republicans have a PLAN ya know.....it will take care of our National debt......Just ask them!
 
I was off on what percent of the Farm Bill goes directly to the farmer/rancher. Farmer/ranchers recieve 22% of the total Farm Bill.

I found my letter from USDA this is what was stated;

Total projected 10-year spending under the 2002 Farm Act (baseline plus projected increase) was almost 747 billion. CCC-funded programs accounted for about 22 percent of the total, and nutrition programs accounted for about 72%.
 

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