Was only a matter of time

[Northern Rancher]

LB how about you take a picture of the next wolf you see and post it for me-no going to the zoo now.I'm pretty sure we got a few more wolves within 100 miles of the doorstep than your whole state has. I actually sold a few bulls down into South Dakota before the whole border deal. I'm lucky enough to have made the acquaintance of good salt of the earth South Dakota ranchers not the padlock packers-wolf under every tree bunch. I know how hard wolf kills are to verify-unless you find a fresh kill-they don't leave much behind-to be able to positively identify 92 in the space of a few years is an incredible job of range sleuthing. Anything that we lose in the bush is gone in pretty short order. I'll just leave this thread-nobody's going to change their opinions anyway.

 

[kolanuraven]

I know with the mountain lion spotted here there was no talk of one and one had not been seen here before then suddenly one day one wanders in front of a car. The next day it wandrers in front of a car miles down the road.

There is talk that a pair of wolves were spotted up on my famous neighbors not that he brought them in evidentally the ranch hand that had been there for years and years had seen them before. :shock:

A few weeks ago several of us were going to town together and saw a HUGE coyote or what we thought to be one. All of us commented we had never seen a coyote that big plus it was darker in color then normal. Then I wondered do species such as wolves and coyotes cross bred species? :???:

We've got ' yotes that have crossed with BIG dogs, like G Shepards, and you'd think they were a wolf for sure. So don't be surprised if it's a cross between a ' yote and domestic as that's more probably than a ' yote x wolf mix

And I dont' know why...and neither does the local vet, but when the ' yotes cross with a domestic dog they seem to grow bigger than either parent.

 

[gcreekrch]

I still can't believe that someone who doesn't know me and has never been to my area can question my intregrity or honesty. I don't believe I said that all of our losses were from predators but I do know of enough to realize that they are the major cause of our losses. Combine those with the 15 or so that we found torn up and crippled (Yes NR I can tell the difference!!!) and predators do add up to be a major cost for us. I can really sympathize with my southern neighbors for having to deal with the wolf relocation boondoggle. In my opinion the wolves will be a bigger and longer lasting problem than any issue you are dealing with today, especially with the protectionist attitude your government/urban population has at present. SSS I don't know of any documented case of a wolf/coyote cross, most coyote and wolf encounters end up being quite terminal for the coyote. I do know that coyote/dog crosses are quite common in some areas and the predator mitigation boys we have trapped a pakc of "wolves" 2 years ago that were led by a big German Shepard type male dog. If the dog is big and tough enough to fight a wolf they have a good chance of being accepted into a small pack or by a single female. Again, most encounters are terminal for the dog too.

 

[CattleArmy]

I know with the mountain lion spotted here there was no talk of one and one had not been seen here before then suddenly one day one wanders in front of a car. The next day it wandrers in front of a car miles down the road.

There is talk that a pair of wolves were spotted up on my famous neighbors not that he brought them in evidentally the ranch hand that had been there for years and years had seen them before. :shock:

A few weeks ago several of us were going to town together and saw a HUGE coyote or what we thought to be one. All of us commented we had never seen a coyote that big plus it was darker in color then normal. Then I wondered do species such as wolves and coyotes cross bred species? :???:

We've got ' yotes that have crossed with BIG dogs, like G Shepards, and you'd think they were a wolf for sure. So don't be surprised if it's a cross between a ' yote and domestic as that's more probably than a ' yote x wolf mix

And I dont' know why...and neither does the local vet, but when the ' yotes cross with a domestic dog they seem to grow bigger than either parent.

Thanks for sharing.

 

[kolanuraven]

I know with the mountain lion spotted here there was no talk of one and one had not been seen here before then suddenly one day one wanders in front of a car. The next day it wandrers in front of a car miles down the road.

There is talk that a pair of wolves were spotted up on my famous neighbors not that he brought them in evidentally the ranch hand that had been there for years and years had seen them before. :shock:

A few weeks ago several of us were going to town together and saw a HUGE coyote or what we thought to be one. All of us commented we had never seen a coyote that big plus it was darker in color then normal. Then I wondered do species such as wolves and coyotes cross bred species? :???:

We've got ' yotes that have crossed with BIG dogs, like G Shepards, and you'd think they were a wolf for sure. So don't be surprised if it's a cross between a ' yote and domestic as that's more probably than a ' yote x wolf mix

And I dont' know why...and neither does the local vet, but when the ' yotes cross with a domestic dog they seem to grow bigger than either parent.

Thanks for sharing.

If I was REALLY feeling like sharing....I sure load'em all up and bring'em to ya!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Neighbor guy shot one...called me to see it. It was charcoal dark grey color and covered the tail gate of his truck from end to end .

He called the vet just for giggles....Vet stopped by on his way home & looked it over and confirmed our suspicions of a ' yote x dog cross.

 

[Southdakotahunter]

Now now LB don't be calling people a sissy-for god's sake woman your the one who hasn't figured out little red riding hood is a fairy tail lol. It just strikes me as funny the wailing and moaning from people who in all likliehood willnever see a wolf track in their life. of course every loss on pasture is due to predation-not likely-are most losses fed on by predators for sure. I don't love them but I don't hate them either.

NH, you need to get out of the bar when you come to Dakota and talk to some of the folks living outside of town. :cowboy:

It sounds like we've got more wolves here than you do up there in Saskatchewan. The situation gcreekrch has around his ranch seems to more closely resemble what we have here.

USFW and GF&P used to try to tell us that we were seeing things until one of their trappers accidentally killed a big wolf with an M-44 that he had set to get what he thought were coyotes killing our neighbor's calves. This wasn't one of those expense imports from Canada either – the DNA tests game and fish had done confirmed it was a home-grown Minnesota wolf.

Before that accidental death, another neighbor shot one on purpose that was tearing up his sheep and another couple neighbors have practiced the 3-S method of dealing with them when they caught them killing livestock.

A couple years ago on my way to a relative's funeral, a big black wolf ran across the road in front of me chasing a deer. Just a few months ago another one was run over by a car on Interstate 90 just east of Sturgis, which is south of here.

Up until just a few years ago game and fish was telling us that we didn't have mountain lions here either. Since then two of them have also been run over in Sturgis, one by a motorcyclist and one by the fire chief on his way to a fire. The Black Hills are saturated with them and they are everywhere out here on the prairie.

When this guy was attacked, it came as no surprise to us - it just surprises us that it took this long before we had an attack. We're doggone glad this guy survived, but it's only a matter of time until someone gets killed.

LB, you make it sound like they are as common as grasshoppers! You make me laugh! if they are "everywhere" around here, why have you not see a lion? Any possibility you saw a big dog chasing a deer? Not that you would make any mistakes, heavens no!

 

[publichunter]

LB you are wrong about the testimony of GF&P if you listen to the record he said if they are endangering life, or livestock that you can shoot them and there is a possibility of an investigation, and wwhen you and your buddies hear that word you get nervous.

Be4cause Lord knows we donrt want anyone coming out here questioning us about our business.

 

[Liberty Belle]

Now now LB don't be calling people a sissy-for god's sake woman your the one who hasn't figured out little red riding hood is a fairy tail lol. It just strikes me as funny the wailing and moaning from people who in all likliehood willnever see a wolf track in their life. of course every loss on pasture is due to predation-not likely-are most losses fed on by predators for sure. I don't love them but I don't hate them either.

NH, you need to get out of the bar when you come to Dakota and talk to some of the folks living outside of town. :cowboy:

It sounds like we've got more wolves here than you do up there in Saskatchewan. The situation gcreekrch has around his ranch seems to more closely resemble what we have here.

USFW and GF&P used to try to tell us that we were seeing things until one of their trappers accidentally killed a big wolf with an M-44 that he had set to get what he thought were coyotes killing our neighbor's calves. This wasn't one of those expense imports from Canada either – the DNA tests game and fish had done confirmed it was a home-grown Minnesota wolf.

Before that accidental death, another neighbor shot one on purpose that was tearing up his sheep and another couple neighbors have practiced the 3-S method of dealing with them when they caught them killing livestock.

A couple years ago on my way to a relative's funeral, a big black wolf ran across the road in front of me chasing a deer. Just a few months ago another one was run over by a car on Interstate 90 just east of Sturgis, which is south of here.

Up until just a few years ago game and fish was telling us that we didn't have mountain lions here either. Since then two of them have also been run over in Sturgis, one by a motorcyclist and one by the fire chief on his way to a fire. The Black Hills are saturated with them and they are everywhere out here on the prairie.

When this guy was attacked, it came as no surprise to us - it just surprises us that it took this long before we had an attack. We're doggone glad this guy survived, but it's only a matter of time until someone gets killed.

LB, you make it sound like they are as common as grasshoppers! You make me laugh! if they are "everywhere" around here, why have you not see a lion? Any possibility you saw a big dog chasing a deer? Not that you would make any mistakes, heavens no!

While they might not be a "common as grasshoppers", they are becoming a common sight around here. And I have seen a mountain lion, have you? They are as different from a house cat as a wolf is from dog, but I don't suppose an urban dweller like you would know what they were if you caught a glimpse of either one.

 

[Liberty Belle]

LB you are wrong about the testimony of GF&P if you listen to the record he said if they are endangering life, or livestock that you can shoot them and there is a possibility of an investigation, and wwhen you and your buddies hear that word you get nervous.

Sorry ph, I was right there in the Ag and Natural Resources Committee when Tony Leif told us we had to call GF&P before we dared shoot a mountain lion, even one that was walking on the feed ground with our cattle. If it was actually attacking someone or had just brought down a cow, then we could shoot it but they will still come and confiscate the cougar. Better go back and have another listen.

Be4cause Lord knows we donrt want anyone coming out here questioning us about our business.

On the contrary, we discuss this issue with GF&P every chance we get! I would also welcome a full-scale investigation of GF&P personnel and policies. Management of wildlife and safety of the public are supposed to be priorities for GF&P, unfortunately, they are neglecting both. Did you also hear Leif testify that GF&P has NO plans to manage mountain lions anywhere in the state outside of the Black Hills?

 

[Southdakotahunter]

How come we have not heard of yur close encounter with mean old mountain lion?

Unless i missed something, all i hear about is a school teacher that run one over, or whatever. Never heard about your sighting..............did it slip your mind?

And what your feed ground......your pasture?

 

[publichunter]

Well LB of course you were there and I was not, I am sure you heard what you wanted to hear.
Why should GF&P be planning to manage on the plains? There are not that many Mt. Lions out there, you know and if you are honest that any Mt. lion shot on private property that was a threat in any way to people or aniamals and shot by the landowner would go un prosecuted, After they would investigate it and GF&P would not arrest anyone for that if it was a legitamate killing due to protection. Then GF&P will and should take the hide and body of the cat, after all it is owned by the public and if you allowed whoever shot them to keep the hides or bodies would only promote needless killing fo a cat. If someone wants a cat hide, get a license and shoot one like the rest of us have too.

 

[Texan]

And I dont' know why...and neither does the local vet, but when the ' yotes cross with a domestic dog they seem to grow bigger than either parent.

You and your vet have never heard of hybrid vigor? :roll:

 

[TXTibbs]

South Dakota Game and Fish always denied for years that Mountain Lions even existed in South Dakota....they kept all sightings hush hush and always would say that it was never confirmed by them so coulnd't say it was a lion.....Whatever....and then less than a year later they open a season for them????? How does that work.....how do you go from none to a sustainable population that can survive a hunting season...all in a years time?

Me and my dad seen one cross the road about 2 miles from where they live up there and that was pre-season I think and several people seen it. They were there a lot longer than the Game and Fish will admit.

And to be honest I don't think half of them quacks that work there can tell their butt from a hole in the ground let a lone a confirmed lion sighting.

Its all just a political load of crap....typical of Game and Fish.

The Game and Fish won't do nothing that don't benefit the Game and Fish and cushion their own pockets....

 

[Southdakotahunter]

I agree it seems they all of a sudden have shown up. And im sure you would agree, we dont need any govt anyone telling us something is there if they have not confirmed it 100%. I agree they are becoming more and more common. You also have to realize the gfp is pretty well streched few and far in between. The wardens do what they can do with the time they have. They also have other work to do. They have ALOT of education so i sure wouldnt say they were quacks. he11, if being a quack was a prerequesite for the job of a game warden, most on this forum woudl qualify.

im sure there are those on this forum who say they have seen big foot, or ufo's. Until the gfp sees good hard evidence, they are not gonna say its there. THats how this thread got started, with someone reporting seeing a lion near Sioux Falls. Im not doubting its there, but the gfp needs proof 100% before they are gonna do much. And what are they to do once they confirm it....they will be damd if they do, or damd if they dont with everyting.

 

[Doug Thorson]

South Dakota Game and Fish always denied for years that Mountain Lions even existed in South Dakota

That is actually one of the better things they did. Just like the wolf right now. It is not illegal to shoot an animal that doesn't exist in the state. 10 years ago you could legally shoot a mountain lion in SD because official documents said there were none. The problem is that everyone wanted to prove to them that they were here. They finally did and now we have a season instead of "there are none" How they went from a few random sightings to many is a different topic.

Right now in SD if you see a wolf you can shoot it and throw it in your dump. Say you thought it was a wild dog or coyote cross and they couldn't prosecute you if they wanted because there are no wolves in SD. They are preparing for the time in the near future when someone proves that there are wolves here at least part time.

http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2008/03/11/news/top/doc47d5b32b52e03309124768.txt

even this won't turn the tide

 

[Liberty Belle]

How come we have not heard of yur close encounter with mean old mountain lion?

Unless i missed something, all i hear about is a school teacher that run one over, or whatever. Never heard about your sighting..............did it slip your mind?

And what your feed ground......your pasture?

I don't know why you haven't heard about it. Maybe because I don't count you in the circle of friends that I talk with regularly? If you really are Tony Dean, and I'm more convinced than ever that you are, you'll remember that we've only spoken once and you lied about that conversation.

 

[Liberty Belle]

Well LB of course you were there and I was not, I am sure you heard what you wanted to hear.
Why should GF&P be planning to manage on the plains? There are not that many Mt. Lions out there, you know and if you are honest that any Mt. lion shot on private property that was a threat in any way to people or aniamals and shot by the landowner would go un prosecuted, After they would investigate it and GF&P would not arrest anyone for that if it was a legitamate killing due to protection. Then GF&P will and should take the hide and body of the cat, after all it is owned by the public and if you allowed whoever shot them to keep the hides or bodies would only promote needless killing fo a cat. If someone wants a cat hide, get a license and shoot one like the rest of us have too.

You obviously heard what you wanted to hear. Tell you what, go to the archives and listen to the testimony online. This time listen closely to what is actually being said and if you don't hear it all, go back and listen over, and over, and over. It will soak in eventually. I hope... :?

 

[Liberty Belle]

I agree it seems they all of a sudden have shown up. And im sure you would agree, we dont need any govt anyone telling us something is there if they have not confirmed it 100%. I agree they are becoming more and more common. You also have to realize the gfp is pretty well streched few and far in between. The wardens do what they can do with the time they have. They also have other work to do. They have ALOT of education so i sure wouldnt say they were quacks. he11, if being a quack was a prerequesite for the job of a game warden, most on this forum woudl qualify.
im sure there are those on this forum who say they have seen big foot, or ufo's. Until the gfp sees good hard evidence, they are not gonna say its there. THats how this thread got started, with someone reporting seeing a lion near Sioux Falls. Im not doubting its there, but the gfp needs proof 100% before they are gonna do much. And what are they to do once they confirm it....they will be damd if they do, or damd if they dont with everyting.

SDH, I'm curious. With your low opinion of the ranchers on this site, why the heck are you hanging out on here? If it's just to display your ignorance, you're doing a wonderful job!!

I don't think you're making many friends either. But that's just my opinion.

Oh, and that spelling of yours - tsk, tsk, tsk...

 

[Liberty Belle]

South Dakota Game and Fish always denied for years that Mountain Lions even existed in South Dakota....they kept all sightings hush hush and always would say that it was never confirmed by them so coulnd't say it was a lion.....Whatever....and then less than a year later they open a season for them????? How does that work.....how do you go from none to a sustainable population that can survive a hunting season...all in a years time?

Me and my dad seen one cross the road about 2 miles from where they live up there and that was pre-season I think and several people seen it. They were there a lot longer than the Game and Fish will admit.

And to be honest I don't think half of them quacks that work there can tell their butt from a hole in the ground let a lone a confirmed lion sighting.

Its all just a political load of crap....typical of Game and Fish.

The Game and Fish won't do nothing that don't benefit the Game and Fish and cushion their own pockets....

Tibbs - was it last year that your sister and her husband lost that yearling to the mountain lion over east of here?

If I remember right, GF&P even confirmed the kill, didn't they?

 

[TXTibbs]

South Dakota Game and Fish always denied for years that Mountain Lions even existed in South Dakota....they kept all sightings hush hush and always would say that it was never confirmed by them so coulnd't say it was a lion.....Whatever....and then less than a year later they open a season for them????? How does that work.....how do you go from none to a sustainable population that can survive a hunting season...all in a years time?

Me and my dad seen one cross the road about 2 miles from where they live up there and that was pre-season I think and several people seen it. They were there a lot longer than the Game and Fish will admit.

And to be honest I don't think half of them quacks that work there can tell their butt from a hole in the ground let a lone a confirmed lion sighting.

Its all just a political load of crap....typical of Game and Fish.

The Game and Fish won't do nothing that don't benefit the Game and Fish and cushion their own pockets....

Tibbs - was it last year that your sister and her husband lost that yearling to the mountain lion over east of here?

If I remember right, GF&P even confirmed the kill, didn't they?

Yeah it was a confirmed kill and um I spose it might of been two years by now......several of the people around there seen the lion and he just dissapeared....he musta wandered on or took a bullet one.