West River Lockout landowners are bad folks...

[Jinglebob]

Well Jinglebob nice to see how you treat an Iraq war veteran who made an honest mistake-I think shame is what some of you should be feeling right now-the guy put his life on the line for your country but he 'HAD' to be turned in what a load of crap.

I didn't treat him that way. So happens I had an Iraq war veteran who hunted my property this year. MY SON!

What it all boils down to is ithis.....my Great Grandfather (a Civil War Veteran) my Grandfather (who's son was a WWII Veteran) and my Father, all suffered and bled so that I could say, "This is my piece of property and I am not going to roll over and let some jackbooted thugs ewho happen to get paid by the state, come onto my property and do as they wish, with out putting up a fight.

You are entitled to your opinion, but that is all it is, an opinion. Until you live here and put up with what we do, maybe you will never understand.

No one is telling you how live or run on your land.

When a revolution starts, somebody has to step forward and take the first step. If you want to let the idiots in government walk all over you, so be it. Some of us refuse. Kind'a like in 1776. Which side would you have been on?

 

[Denny]

.So what do you do when you have a problem with trespassing hunter's then you call in the law.Sounds like you only want the law around when it benefits you.Our local game warden can come onto my land and check me whenever he feel's the need but I have nothing to hide.It's been that way here for 50 years but I guess we don't see black helicopter's here either.

 

[Southdakotahunter]

I would be willing to bet that MOST lockout land was NEVER open to the average joe.....It was only open to $$ which is fine but all the hypricrits who say lockout and do other things, deer, antelope, elk, pheasant, rabbits, prairie dogs, COYOTES....they are all game animals. you have to buy a license, thru the gfp to hunt any and all. CUTTING YOUR OWN THROAT is all you lockout people are doing to yourself. Like i have said before. Its no different than a Walmart boycott which so many seem to be hi on.......Lets boycott walmart...but they have so much better prices on their underwear that i will buy that...BUT THATS IT...I WONT BUY NOTHIN ELSE OTHER THAN UNDERWEAR.....its all a crock of crap and the lockout people think us NORMAL folk are stupid enough to not see through it. Here is the real deal right here.. the lockout folk feel the game is theirs since they feed it. they feel the gfp should have very little say, if any, as to how many critters should be taken from an area because they own the property and only the landowner knows how much hunting the land can support. They feel the gfp should only give out licenses to those who will hunt public only and ask each and every landowner how many permits whould we give to you for your use whatever that may be. When this is all said and done....when the gfp decides to ask permission to do compliance checks (which is when hell freezes over) the next step WILL be a lockout because they feel they should get "x" amount of licenses that they will sell back to their customers at outrageous $ that some idiots are dumb enough to pay even thou the animals we raise in SD are by far and away infearior to wyoming, montana and colorado. $3000 for a SD deer...i guess a fool and his money are soon parted. Then, when word gets around that westriver sd is a rip off and continue on to NM, CO, AZ, MT and WY, the back-asswards folks will find something else to blame the gfp on because we owe them something. They will cry and wine because there are too many critters and mother nature will have to do her part by controling thru disease. Once you get across the mighty mo,its a different world. They feel they are owed something by everyone, the gfp, the hunter, the taxpayer, you name it. I honestly believe the gfp is doing as best job as they can, given the morons they sometimes have to deal with both landowners and hunters and legislators alike. But some feel they are biologists and know more about how to control the hurd than others. If i was a business man in any of the small towns, i would be upset, PISSED off about this lockout deal. The motels, resturants, gas station, bars and such have to have taken a beating over some of this. When lockout people come into my store i have a feeling the prices would all of a sudden go up. Ya see. Lockout means "only if you have enough $"

 

[Northern Rancher]

I can see Jinglebob galloping across the South Dakota prairie to Liberty Belle's 'The game wardens are coming-the game wardens are coming' kind of Paul Revere in denims. I'm not telling you how to run your land but I am telling you there are alot more motives behind this lockout than land owners rights. Jinglebob when i said 'you' I was inferring the lockout ranchers in total including Mr. Helms.

 

[Liberty Belle]

I would be willing to bet that MOST lockout land was NEVER open to the average joe.....It was only open to $$ which is fine but all the hypricrits who say lockout and do other things, deer, antelope, elk, pheasant, rabbits, prairie dogs, COYOTES....they are all game animals. you have to buy a license, thru the gfp to hunt any and all. CUTTING YOUR OWN THROAT is all you lockout people are doing to yourself. Like i have said before. Its no different than a Walmart boycott which so many seem to be hi on.......Lets boycott walmart...but they have so much better prices on their underwear that i will buy that...BUT THATS IT...I WONT BUY NOTHIN ELSE OTHER THAN UNDERWEAR.....its all a crock of crap and the lockout people think us NORMAL folk are stupid enough to not see through it. Here is the real deal right here.. the lockout folk feel the game is theirs since they feed it. they feel the gfp should have very little say, if any, as to how many critters should be taken from an area because they own the property and only the landowner knows how much hunting the land can support. They feel the gfp should only give out licenses to those who will hunt public only and ask each and every landowner how many permits whould we give to you for your use whatever that may be. When this is all said and done....when the gfp decides to ask permission to do compliance checks (which is when hell freezes over) the next step WILL be a lockout because they feel they should get "x" amount of licenses that they will sell back to their customers at outrageous $ that some idiots are dumb enough to pay even thou the animals we raise in SD are by far and away infearior to wyoming, montana and colorado. $3000 for a SD deer...i guess a fool and his money are soon parted. Then, when word gets around that westriver sd is a rip off and continue on to NM, CO, AZ, MT and WY, the back-asswards folks will find something else to blame the gfp on because we owe them something. They will cry and wine because there are too many critters and mother nature will have to do her part by controling thru disease. Once you get across the mighty mo,its a different world. They feel they are owed something by everyone, the gfp, the hunter, the taxpayer, you name it. I honestly believe the gfp is doing as best job as they can, given the morons they sometimes have to deal with both landowners and hunters and legislators alike. But some feel they are biologists and know more about how to control the hurd than others. If i was a business man in any of the small towns, i would be upset, p****d off about this lockout deal. The motels, resturants, gas station, bars and such have to have taken a beating over some of this. When lockout people come into my store i have a feeling the prices would all of a sudden go up. Ya see. Lockout means "only if you have enough $"

And you wonder why we don't miss hunters any more than we miss GF&P?

This nut is a classic example of the mindset of a lot of folks east river (and north of the US border?) who think that there should be not only no private property rights, but no private property and they should be allowed to hunt anywhere they want.

Southdakotahunter, do us all a favor and stay on your side of the river. We've got enough of our own brand of idiots on this side without importing any more.

You wouldn't be one of the guys ripping down lockout signs and vandalizing businesses that support the lockout, would you? Yeah, most of our local businesses DO support the lockout. In our small towns, most of the business owners have rural roots and most of the east river hunters bring everything they need for the weekend hunt with them when they come, so the businesses see very few hunter dollars anyway.

The bars are the only ones seeing much jump in business... and a lot of those guys go hunting while still under the influence. Most of the vandalism is done during hunting season while the national forest and the national grasslands are full of east river hunters, shooting at both game and each other and an occasional horse or cow. You guys are a class act!!!

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

LB said"This nut is a classic example of the mindset of a lot of folks east river (and north of the US border?) who think that there should be not only no private property rights, but no private property and they should be allowed to hunt anywhere they want. "


LB you got this wrong. I support you in posting your land for NO HUNTING if thats what you mean. I don't support you if you are just psoting it to keep everybody else out to save it for payed hunting. How do you call it a LOCK OUT when you do have hunters.
Why not post it saying HUNTING WITH PERMISSION AND PAYMENT ONLY. At least you would be truthful about it.

 

[Liberty Belle]

Denny: Major problem is lots of backwards people live west of the river if you all did'nt know it's 2006 not 1906 or 1806 for that matter.So what do you do when you have a problem with trespassing hunter's then you call in the law.
Sounds like you only want the law around when it benefits you.Our local game warden can come onto my land and check me whenever he feel's the need but I have nothing to hide.It's been that way here for 50 years but I guess we don't see black helicopter's here either.

You will notice from the article that Helms called a real law enforcement officer, the local county sheriff, whose family members are also all in the lockout.

If you don't mind the game warden tramping all over your private property whenever he feels like it, I don't mind either. I do mind if it's my property he is invading.

Oh – and the only black helicopter out here belongs to our aerial predator control pilot so we see it quite often and when it lands we invite him in for coffee.

NR: I can see Jinglebob galloping across the South Dakota prairie to Liberty Belle's 'The game wardens are coming-the game wardens are coming' kind of Paul Revere in denims. I'm not telling you how to run your land but I am telling you there are alot more motives behind this lockout than land owners rights. Jinglebob when i said 'you' I was inferring the lockout ranchers in total including Mr. Helms.

I look forward to seeing Jinglebob as much as I enjoy seeing that black helicopter. In fact, I even look forward to the day when I find a game warden on my land without permission. Now that would really make my day!!

BTW, Northern Rancher, what would you know about the motives behind the lockout that we don't know? Do you have a mole embedded in South Dakota who reports back to Canada about west river rabble rousers? Or are you just going by what Southdakotahunter tells you?

 

[Southdakotahunter]

LB...you read what you want. I really thought you might me smarter that that. I HAVE NEVER ever, ever, said i feel i should be able to hunt wherever i want. you dumb hag! you show me where i have ever said that. As a matter of fact i have said over and over i DONT feel that way but YOU and your cause need me and people like me because we vote lady. Our votes are more that yours, guaranteed. I just wish you backassward hillbillys could be consistant. Hell, i dont get to your part of the country much and thank god for that! You are just stupid enough to post the first on this thread about how stupid you lockout folks are and that some just put up the sign to be putting up a sign. I bet you put up a Daschel sign but voted for thune huh!!!! Ya.. the guy should have been fined for trespass because ignorance is no excuse. I wish you would think about little saying because ignorance is you only excuse!

 

[Liberty Belle]

LB you got this wrong. I support you in posting your land for NO HUNTING if thats what you mean. I don't support you if you are just psoting it to keep everybody else out to save it for payed hunting. How do you call it a LOCK OUT when you do have hunters.

BMR – I call it a lockout because my land locked is locked to hunters, free or paying. We allowed hunters to hunt free here for as long as there have been hunting seasons in South Dakota until this standoff with SD Game Fish &Parks put a screeching halt to any hunting because of GF&P's high-handed actions.

What another rancher does with his land is his business, not mine and not yours.

 

[Denny]

LB you got this wrong. I support you in posting your land for NO HUNTING if thats what you mean. I don't support you if you are just psoting it to keep everybody else out to save it for payed hunting. How do you call it a LOCK OUT when you do have hunters.

BMR – I call it a lockout because my land locked is locked to hunters, free or paying. We allowed hunters to hunt free here for as long as there have been hunting seasons in South Dakota until this standoff with SD Game Fish &Parks put a screeching halt to any hunting because of GF&P's high-handed actions.

What another rancher does with his land is his business, not mine and not yours.

How about coyote hunting that benefit's you so thats okay...

 

[Liberty Belle]

LB...you read what you want. I really thought you might me smarter that that. I HAVE NEVER ever, ever, said i feel i should be able to hunt wherever i want. you dumb hag! you show me where i have ever said that. As a matter of fact i have said over and over i DONT feel that way but YOU and your cause need me and people like me because we vote lady. Our votes are more that yours, guaranteed. I just wish you backassward hillbillys could be consistant. Hell, i dont get to your part of the country much and thank god for that! You are just stupid enough to post the first on this thread about how stupid you lockout folks are and that some just put up the sign to be putting up a sign. I bet you put up a Daschel sign but voted for thune huh!!!! Ya.. the guy should have been fined for trespass because ignorance is no excuse. I wish you would think about little saying because ignorance is you only excuse!

Aw, Southdakotahunter, did I upset you? :roll: Take a couple of deep breaths, swallow your valium and lie down awhile. And please stay on your side of the river.

 

[Liberty Belle]

Denny: How about coyote hunting that benefit's you so thats okay Hypocrit's...

My goodness, you guys are getting right with the name calling aren't you?

For your information, we run both sheep and cattle and if we don't kill predators and prairie dogs we can't run livestock here. Do you think we should slit our own throats because you think hunting coyotes is the same as allowing licensed game hunters?

We don't happen to think so and we really don't give a rat's patooty what you or anyone else thinks we should do on our property.

Note to Jinglebob - your asked me a question in Bowman a couple weeks ago about my opinion of a certain poster on here. I didn't have one then. I do now!!!

 

[TXTibbs]

I don't really see the problem here...if someone wants to lockout there land from hunting deer but not coyotes thats fine, or vice versa. And as far as southdakotahunter's been saying that landowners need people like him to hunt the game and keep it in check and also to vote.......well people like him are going to vote reguardless of where or if they hunt...and most of your Sioux Falls votes don't go for what West River stands for or wants anyway, but you win cause you have the population.....how else would Janklow have served 289733 terms as South Dakota Governor...he wouldn't of if Sioux Falls didn't kiss his arse. And i'm pretty sure most ranchers have PLENTY of friends and family that they can get to come hunt their land and control their game and not have to take in outside trash to do it.

 

[Southdakotahunter]

Now its you tibbs.....READ THE FREAKING POST DUDE! I SAID SHE NEEDS ME BECAUSE OF THE VOTING....SHE SURE DONT NEED ME TO HUNT AND I NEVER SAID SHE NEEDS ME TO HUNT ONLY TO VOTE. Got an idea LB.....get a petition and get the signatures and bring it to a vote....could you do that? I am not sure how it goes or even if this is a subject that can be changed by a petition and a vote of the people. then see how much you need me and those who are clear thinking like me.

I sure am surprised you didnt cut and paste the day away with my last one LB.....guess its the truth hurt huh!

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

LB you got this wrong. I support you in posting your land for NO HUNTING if thats what you mean. I don't support you if you are just psoting it to keep everybody else out to save it for payed hunting. How do you call it a LOCK OUT when you do have hunters.

BMR – I call it a lockout because my land locked is locked to hunters, free or paying. We allowed hunters to hunt free here for as long as there have been hunting seasons in South Dakota until this standoff with SD Game Fish &Parks put a screeching halt to any hunting because of GF&P's high-handed actions.

What another rancher does with his land is his business, not mine and not yours.

Yes you call it a Lock out to hunters so you can stop Game and FISH. Fine but how do you Lock out Game and Fish if you allow hunters in payed or not?

 

[Southdakotahunter]

BMR – I call it a lockout because my land locked is locked to hunters, free or paying. We allowed hu

Check out my cut and paste job...not too bad! Now if i read this right she is locked out to hunters.....even tho you have to have a license to shoot coyotes, prairie dogs etc. Hypricate!



Hey Big Muddy...how come we are the only ones who see it like it is? are we the only ones who actually think before we talk?

 

[Northern Rancher]

We better send a load of padlocks down to South Dakota so they can protect themselves from those evil fish and game types lol-glad my friends in South Dakota are normal-not paranoid gate lockers. I'll just leave this post for now-somehow I don't think old Liberty gonna unlock her gates real soon. I just hang with my old buddy Ismay he's crazy enough for me lol.

 

[SDSteve]

We better send a load of padlocks down to South Dakota so they can protect themselves from those evil fish and game types lol-glad my friends in South Dakota are normal-not paranoid gate lockers. I'll just leave this post for now-somehow I don't think old Liberty gonna unlock her gates real soon. I just hang with my old buddy Ismay he's crazy enough for me lol.

You can come on down and hunt on my South Dakota land anytime NR. You probably wouldn't be impressed by the little deer we have around here though. Although we do have some of the best pheasant hunting around. I don't charge to hunt. I do like seeing hunters come and spend money in the small towns around here though. Keeps a few more people employed around here. Place looks like a ghost town already.

 

[Tumbleweed]

I think this really is a property rights issue. The government/public claim ownership of the wildlife and that's ok with me but it seems most of the wildlife here is on privately owned land eating grass, hay and grain that belong to the land owners.. Seems to me the state and hunters both want access to the publicly owned herd but control of who comes or goes on private property comes with ownership. Sounds to me like the state and a lot of hunters want something for nothing here.

Had an out of state hunter here that was upset about ranchers charging hunters to shoot deer. When he would get upset he would get angry, red faced, loud, belligerent and would sometimes pound on the table. He was and still is a friend so I tolerated a little of that. He was also a right wing conservative democrat hatin republican so I tried to keep him from starting in on that to cause I didn't want to hear that either. He had paid the game and fish $250 to shoot a deer that was his already because they belonged to everyone. He didn't think it was right for ranchers to be charging because the deer are public property. He did think it was ok to pay the game and fish because they needed money to pay the game wardens and manage the game. Guess the way he saw it was that the game and fish and hunters were good guys just helping out the ranchers by shooting those big old bucks and a few does. So we agreed on who owns the wildlife but what I wanted to know was who owns the grass, hay and grain the wildlife feed on. He fell silent while he thought about that. When he had thought it over awhile he said "I don't know". I don't think that was an honest answer but it did give me a chuckle and still does when I think about it.

There are a lot of people that like getting something for nothing. I think maybe that's what the state and hunters were getting for many years. When ranchers started charging for hunting it upset the hunters who were used to getting something for nothing. I've had outfitters bring hunters who shot bucks on my ranch. The hunter paid the game and fish I believe $250 for an out of state license. I think the outfitter was paid $1400 for a weeks hunt for a guide, food, lodging and transportation. If the hunter shot a deer on my ranch I got $500 from the outfitter. The outfitter, hunter and me were all pretty happy with this arrangement. The only ones who were unhappy were the people who expected something for nothing and didn't want to pay for hunting or running a state owned herd of wildlife on private property.

Had a hunter pull in here one time and wanted to know if he could shoot a buck he could see from the road. Told him that would be ok but I was getting paid $500 for them from an outfitter. He said he'd never paid to shoot a deer in his life and wasn't going to start either. I had some open cows in the corral I was going to haul to the sale barn. Told him if he wanted he could shoot one of them for only $300 cause that's about what they were bringing at the time. Told him he'd have a lot more meat and it would be better eating than a deer but he didn't like that idea either. Guess some people are just hard to please. I will say again what I said at the start of this post.

The government/public claim ownership of the wild life and that's ok with me but it seems most of the wildlife here is on privately owned land eating grass, hay and grain that belong to the land owners.. Seems to me the state and hunters both want access to the publicly owned herd but control of who comes or goes on private property comes with ownership. Sounds to me like the state and a lot of hunters want something for nothing here. :cowboy:

 

[Southdakotahunter]

you took the words out of my mouth....the critters were here long before you ever bought or settled the land. You knew the animals were there and if you now feel it is necessary to be compensated for them surviving, your HI.......I am not looking for something for nothing. Im not looking even for something. I have asked to hunt before and have been told yes, and have been told no. you never know until you ask and if they say no thats cool. no prob. I do know there are some who also want something for nothin....and that goes to the rancher also. I know for a fact some ranchers wont let hunting but then complain to the gfp during a bad winter the deer are eating their haystacks and want the gfp to come out and feed the deer even tho the landowner had a chance to at least help to thin the herd some by letting people hunt. Again, i am not looking for a free hand out. everyone needs to make a buck. I got bills to pay also and i may even ask for some $ if i was in their position. But to try to say the farmer needs to be compensated because the wildlife is eating their grass and they are not letting people hunt, unless its for $500 or more is crazy. THis will settle your problems.....6ft chain link fence. Keep the gfp out, keep all the game in. Might want to kill the critters first tho because they might eat some grass or poop on your ground and we sure cant have that, because some want something for nothing.