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What is Canada plants doing that US plants are not?

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Most are owned by the same companies in the US aren't they?


Japan OKs imports of Canadian beef; finds mad cow precautions up to standard

Yahoo! News Canada

March 20, 2006



TOKYO (CP) - All but one of the eight Canadian meat processing plants that export to Japan have been given a clean bill of health by Japanese inspectors, a government statement said Monday.



All five facilities in Alberta were deemed safe from mad cow disease during the March 12-19 inspections, but one failed to gain export approval because the Canadian government provided inadequate information, the Japanese Health and Agriculture ministries said in a joint statement. There was no elaboration on the missing information.



"Each packer has set down in writing the procedures necessary under the export program, and these procedures are being followed," the statement said.



Tokyo imposed a ban on U.S. and Canadian beef imports in 2003 after the first case of mad cow disease was detected in the two countries, but reopened its market in December to meat from cattle 20 months old or less.



However, Tokyo re-imposed its ban on U.S. beef imports in January after discovering prohibited bone parts in a shipment of American veal.



The deal prohibited the import of spines, brains, bone marrow and other cattle parts thought to be at particularly high risk of containing the disease.



Washington contends the mistaken shipment was an isolated error and did not indicate weaknesses in the American food safety system.



Tokyo, however, has questioned whether the mistake was unique, and whether similar errors might occur in other U.S. facilities certified to export to Japan.



The Canadian plant inspections were routine and unrelated to the illicit U.S. shipment, Health Ministry official Makoto Kanie said.



Japanese officials have now completed their tour of all Canadian facilities that export meat to Japan, according to Kanie.



Eight plants - including the five in Alberta, two in Ontario and one in Saskatchewan - currently have permission to process Tokyo-bound shipments, Kanie said.



Mad cow disease, or bovine spongiform encephalopathy, is a degenerative nerve disease in cattle. Eating contaminated meat products has been linked to the rare but fatal variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease in humans.



Canadian beef began reappearing on Tokyo supermarket shelves in December following the two-year ban. However, Canadian officials concede it might take years to rebuild the confidence of Japanese consumers in North American beef.



Entry into Japan is considered key to the long-term recovery plan of Canada's battered beef industry, which had suffered $7 billion in lost exports since 2003. Cattle officials have pinned their hopes on a growing appetite from Pacific Rim countries to help reduce the reliance on the U.S. market, which gobbles up the vast majority of Canadian beef exports.
 
Sandhusker said:
Is it still "Canadian" beef it it is owned by Tyson, Cargill, or any of their subsidiarys?

You bring up an interesting point, 'Husker. Of course, being Canadian, I'm happy to see our beef being allowed in, but I wonder how much beef will make it UP from the US now, and export to Japan through our own deemed safe packing plants?

Rod
 
DiamondSCattleCo said:
Sandhusker said:
Is it still "Canadian" beef it it is owned by Tyson, Cargill, or any of their subsidiarys?

You bring up an interesting point, 'Husker. Of course, being Canadian, I'm happy to see our beef being allowed in, but I wonder how much beef will make it UP from the US now, and export to Japan through our own deemed safe packing plants?

Rod

Hmmm, that's something to think about, isn't it? Doesn't that mean that Japan is open to two US packers, but not the rest? You can bet that they will be against the US placating the Japanese any - they're in.
 
Sandhusker said:
Hmmm, that's something to think about, isn't it? Doesn't that mean that Japan is open to two US packers, but not the rest? You can bet that they will be against the US placating the Japanese any - they're in.

Careful, with talk like this we may end being labelled.....

Rod
 
If companies that do not play ball with companies like Tyson do not have access to the same markets, the competitive field is altered.

When the other companies do not fall in line, what do you think will happen to them?

Will people like MRJ and SH claim that they did not win in the concentration game because of efficiency?

I guess you could call it inefficiency at the policy making level of the government. I call it plain political fraud. Tammany Hall had nothing in these guys.

This does not bode well for cattlemen's markets.
 
Canada's MID system and a history of being open and thorough in it's previous cases are two big differences that no doubt factor into the reasoning.

Hopefully there are no Canadian screwups that equal what the US has done. Although R-Calfers don't need trade the rest of us do and hopefully Canadian market share in Japan will continue to expand.
 
Bill said:
Canada's MID system and a history of being open and thorough in it's previous cases are two big differences that no doubt factor into the reasoning.

Hopefully there are no Canadian screwups that equal what the US has done. Although R-Calfers don't need trade the rest of us do and hopefully Canadian market share in Japan will continue to expand.

Just the other day I posted R-CALF speaking in favor of a trade deal with Korea and then you make some half-wit comment about R-CALFers not needing trade? SH trained you well.
 
Keep waving that banner, Sandhusker. Youve almost convinced me of the originality of your support group's position. Almost. C'mon, o.t. Your little buddy needs your 2-bits in here now. Maybe between the two of you , you can tell Korea how safe your beef is. And then Japan. And then . . .
 
Maple Leaf Angus said:
Keep waving that banner, Sandhusker. Youve almost convinced me of the originality of your support group's position. Almost. C'mon, o.t. Your little buddy needs your 2-bits in here now. Maybe between the two of you , you can tell Korea how safe your beef is. And then Japan. And then . . .

R-CALF USA believes U.S. cattle producers can compete and thrive in global markets if the rules are fair. Today, U.S. exports of cattle and beef are thwarted by high import tariffs abroad, large subsidies to cattle and beef producers in other countries, and a failure to harmonize health and safety standards to allow for increased trade while protecting animal health and consumer safety. In addition, the highly perishable nature of our product demands the creation of special rules for cattle and beef trade that reflect the special needs of our producers and protect them from import surges and excess price volatility. While many of these issues ultimately require global solutions, progress can also be made through strategic bilateral and regional negotiations.
 
The main difference I see is the fact that it's CFIA inspectors in the Canadian plants. I deal with the CFIA all the time as a result of working at the vet clinic, and they take all this quality thing very seriously. Very very seriously.

You'll never hear a producer complaining about the CFIA being in big business's pockets, that's for sure. :shock:
 
Oldtimer said:
large subsidies to cattle and beef producers in other countries, and a failure to harmonize health and safety standards to allow for increased trade while protecting animal health and consumer safety.

OT, I've seen this arguement before about large subsidies, so I'd like to know what those subsidies actually are in Canada. <chuckle> I'm headed into week 5 of night shifts, so the wording escapes me, but I send this request with no argumentative intent, just out of pure curiosity. Because other than some support payments that I received during the BSE crisis (My total support payments were less than 25% of my missing income), I can't think of a single thing that we have up here thats government sponsored that you guys don't also have. And I can think of at least a couple "perks" that you US cattlemen have that we don't have.

The biggest reason I'm asking is that Canadian grain producers have been led to believe for years that its the EVIL AMERICAN grain subsidies that are making it difficult to sell on a world stage. Most subsidy arguements are brought about by lying snake politicians and their pet corporations who are attempting to protect a profit margin anyway they can. Unfortunately, its an easy beat to march to, so invariably at least some producers begin to march it. I just get the feeling that Amercian beef producers are being similarly misled.

As far as harmonized safety standards, right now, arguable ours are more stringent than yours. We've definitely got a leg up on animal tracing, and myself and others are waving the flag on age verification as well as other records. So I don't understand the logic behind cutting off Canadian imports when our safety standards exceed yours.

Rod
 
Maple Leaf Angus said:
Keep waving that banner, Sandhusker. Youve almost convinced me of the originality of your support group's position. Almost. C'mon, o.t. Your little buddy needs your 2-bits in here now. Maybe between the two of you , you can tell Korea how safe your beef is. And then Japan. And then . . .

You'll never be convinced when you refuse to be.
 
Sandhusker said:
Bill said:
Canada's MID system and a history of being open and thorough in it's previous cases are two big differences that no doubt factor into the reasoning.

Hopefully there are no Canadian screwups that equal what the US has done. Although R-Calfers don't need trade the rest of us do and hopefully Canadian market share in Japan will continue to expand.

Just the other day I posted R-CALF speaking in favor of a trade deal with Korea and then you make some half-wit comment about R-CALFers not needing trade? SH trained you well.
It's comical to watch R-Calf and it's bulleeeeevers flip flop around and change positions whenever it suits their needs. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I recall reading that you R-Calfers didn't see the need to export beef because the US could consume all you can produce. Why the change now Sandhusker? Is it because trade with Korea is as Oldtimer calls it "FAIR" trade? :roll: :lol: :lol:
 
I still believe we can consume ALL that WE produce. It is a problem when we try to consume everything else the world produces.
 
Come on guys - take a look at what is going on here. We like to argue about this North American beef market among producers. Well it is truly North American at the packer end. Despite what Jason will have you believe, Cargill and Tyson control 80 to 85% of the packing CAPACITY in Canada. Who do you think has the ability to send any amount of beef from Canada to Japan.

This is yet another in a long list of - Advantage Cargill/ Tyson - in the BSEconomics game. Stay tuned as this game progresses to see how Tam and the gang move towards Cargill/Tyson Canada when they finally convince the USDA and CFIA into BSE testing for marketing purposes here in Canada.

Far more control up here in Canada and easier to have the lucrative Japanese market without competition from their own American counterparts, even if it only lasts for another short Salmon run.

The games continue.
 
Stick to the facts Randy, 8 plants are licenced to send to Japan. Cargill has 2 Tyson has 1. That leaves 5 others that are sending beef. Of the exported beef I do agree Cargill and Tyson will be sending the majority of it.

The numbers were from Canfax that showed Cargill and Tyson at less than 60% of the Canadian slaughter.
 
Bill said:
Sandhusker said:
Bill said:
Canada's MID system and a history of being open and thorough in it's previous cases are two big differences that no doubt factor into the reasoning.

Hopefully there are no Canadian screwups that equal what the US has done. Although R-Calfers don't need trade the rest of us do and hopefully Canadian market share in Japan will continue to expand.

Just the other day I posted R-CALF speaking in favor of a trade deal with Korea and then you make some half-wit comment about R-CALFers not needing trade? SH trained you well.
It's comical to watch R-Calf and it's bulleeeeevers flip flop around and change positions whenever it suits their needs. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I recall reading that you R-Calfers didn't see the need to export beef because the US could consume all you can produce. Why the change now Sandhusker? Is it because trade with Korea is as Oldtimer calls it "FAIR" trade? :roll: :lol: :lol:

What's comical is the half-baked comments the anti-R-CALF crowd tries to pass off as truth. Feeder understands the message, why can't you?

Let me make is simple and explain it ONCE AGAIN; Since the US currently consumes more beef than we produce, we would not need an export market if we did not import beef. You shouldn't comment on quotes that you don't understand.
 
Sandhusker said:
Let me make is simple and explain it ONCE AGAIN; Since the US currently consumes more beef than we produce, we would not need an export market if we did not import beef. You shouldn't comment on quotes that you don't understand.

Since I'm not at all familiar with the US beef export market, do you know what kind of beef are you exporting to the Japanese market? Is it stuff that you have no domestic market for? Often, analysts get hung up on raw numbers, trying to prove a point, but fail to consider other circumstances.

For example, Canada imports a fair bit of crude oil. In first light this seems ludicrous, since we harvest far more than we consume. However, the stuff we harvest we can't process, so we have to sell it abroad and replace it with imported oil. In an ideal world, we should be building refineries that can use our own product, but its not an ideal world.

In the case of your beef exports, thats a little tougher. If the stuff you're sending over there is stuff your consumers simply don't want, its tough to sway consumer opinion. You try and force it down their throats, they'll buy chicken or pork instead. So maybe you need the imports?

Rod
 

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