What is Canada plants doing that US plants are not?

[Econ101]

I did expect a little more from the prairie chicken.

Really? I never expect much logic from chickens.

Rod

You know, you are right. With or without a head, on either side of the U.S. /Canadian border. I still like the idea of circus chickens, even if the show is weak. My 5 year old seems to be enchanted by the idea also.

 

[Anonymous]

Why do you keep dancing around the question Sandbag?

Did Japan accept untested beef from the United States since BSE was first discovered in the United States?

Yes or No?

Such a simple question. What seems to be the problem?


~SH~

 

[Sandhusker]

Why do you keep dancing around the question Sandbag?

Did Japan accept untested beef from the United States since BSE was first discovered in the United States?

Yes or No?

Such a simple question. What seems to be the problem?


~SH~

Yes they DID (past tense), SH. Now, you said they are accepting untested beef - how much did they accept last week?

 

[Anonymous]

Sandbag: "Now, you said they are accepting untested beef - how much did they accept last week?"

Thank you for admitting that Japan has accepted untested beef since BSE was discovered in the U.S.

I don't believe Japan accepted any beef last week since the U.S. sent spinal column material with a veal shipment. Neither has anything to do with bse testing does it? SO WHAT THE HELL IS YOUR POINT????

Like I said, if you have a point, make it because you're incredibly handicapped with your inability to trap me with your stupid little questions.



~SH~

 

[Econ101]

Sandbag: "Now, you said they are accepting untested beef - how much did they accept last week?"

Thank you for admitting that Japan has accepted untested beef since BSE was discovered in the U.S.

I don't believe Japan accepted any beef last week since the U.S. sent spinal column material with a veal shipment. Neither has anything to do with bse testing does it? SO WHAT THE HELL IS YOUR POINT????

Like I said, if you have a point, make it because you're incredibly handicapped with your inability to trap me with your stupid little questions.



~SH~

So why isn't Japan taking U.S. beef right now, SH? Could it be that they are a little upset at the USDA in their incompetence in testing and arrogance in not allowing Creekstone to test?

 

[Tam]

Sandbag: "Now, you said they are accepting untested beef - how much did they accept last week?"

Thank you for admitting that Japan has accepted untested beef since BSE was discovered in the U.S.

I don't believe Japan accepted any beef last week since the U.S. sent spinal column material with a veal shipment. Neither has anything to do with bse testing does it? SO WHAT THE HELL IS YOUR POINT????

Like I said, if you have a point, make it because you're incredibly handicapped with your inability to trap me with your stupid little questions.



~SH~

So why isn't Japan taking U.S. beef right now, SH? Could it be that they are a little upset at the USDA in their incompetence in testing and arrogance in not allowing Creekstone to test?

The testing had nothing to do with it Econ but the SRM rule sure did. Do you think the Japanese would be taking any beef even if it was tested if they found restricted material in the packages. The rule was NO BONE that rule was broken. :roll:

 

[Sandhusker]

Sandbag: "Now, you said they are accepting untested beef - how much did they accept last week?"

Thank you for admitting that Japan has accepted untested beef since BSE was discovered in the U.S.

I don't believe Japan accepted any beef last week since the U.S. sent spinal column material with a veal shipment. Neither has anything to do with bse testing does it? SO WHAT THE HELL IS YOUR POINT????

Like I said, if you have a point, make it because you're incredibly handicapped with your inability to trap me with your stupid little questions.



~SH~

My point is that you said Japan is accepting untested beef when the facts are they are accepting NO beef.

Didn't the USDA so such a wonderful job with negotiating with the Japanese? Here we are nearly 2 1/2 years into this, we've left BILLIONS on the table, insulted the Japanese, are threatening a trade war, have the image of bullies, and we're still not sending over any product. And some morons defend this.......... :roll:

 

[Tam]

Sandbag: "Now, you said they are accepting untested beef - how much did they accept last week?"

Thank you for admitting that Japan has accepted untested beef since BSE was discovered in the U.S.

I don't believe Japan accepted any beef last week since the U.S. sent spinal column material with a veal shipment. Neither has anything to do with bse testing does it? SO WHAT THE HELL IS YOUR POINT????

Like I said, if you have a point, make it because you're incredibly handicapped with your inability to trap me with your stupid little questions.



~SH~

My point is that you said Japan is accepting untested beef when the facts are they are accepting NO beef.

Didn't the USDA so such a wonderful job with negotiating with the Japanese? Here we are nearly 2 1/2 years into this, we've left BILLIONS on the table, insulted the Japanese, are threatening a trade war, have the image of bullies, and we're still not sending over any product. And some morons defend this.......... :roll:

Maybe not from the US but they are from CANADA :wink: The USDA negotiated a deal but it is up to the industry to follow the rules and one of those rules was BONELESS :roll:

 

[Econ101]

Thank you for admitting that Japan has accepted untested beef since BSE was discovered in the U.S.

I don't believe Japan accepted any beef last week since the U.S. sent spinal column material with a veal shipment. Neither has anything to do with bse testing does it? SO WHAT THE HELL IS YOUR POINT????

Like I said, if you have a point, make it because you're incredibly handicapped with your inability to trap me with your stupid little questions.



~SH~

So why isn't Japan taking U.S. beef right now, SH? Could it be that they are a little upset at the USDA in their incompetence in testing and arrogance in not allowing Creekstone to test?

The testing had nothing to do with it Econ but the SRM rule sure did. Do you think the Japanese would be taking any beef even if it was tested if they found restricted material in the packages. The rule was NO BONE that rule was broken. :roll:

Are you alleging it is incompetence on the part of the USDA inspectors, Tam, or incompetence on the companies shipping the product? If the Japanese believed it was incompetence on the part of one company, wouldn't they allow other companies the chance? If they are thinking it is incompetence or downright arrogance on the part of USDA inspectors, wouldn't that be the reason to block all U.S. companies?

Which one is it, Tam? Incompetence or arrogance on the part of the USDA?

 

[Anonymous]

Conman: "So why isn't Japan taking U.S. beef right now, SH? Could it be that they are a little upset at the USDA in their incompetence in testing and arrogance in not allowing Creekstone to test?"

Hardly! Japan is not accepting U.S. beef CURRENTLY because an East Coast packer exported beef products/by products that were restricted by Japan.

There's no guessing why Japan isn't taking our beef currently. Only speculation on the part of conspiracy theorists like you.

Sandbag: "My point is that you said Japan is accepting untested beef when the facts are they are accepting NO beef."

My point is that Japan was accepting untested U.S. beef before an east coast packer violated our agreement with Japan.

Sandbag: "Didn't the USDA so such a wonderful job with negotiating with the Japanese? Here we are nearly 2 1/2 years into this, we've left BILLIONS on the table, insulted the Japanese, are threatening a trade war, have the image of bullies, and we're still not sending over any product. And some morons defend this........"

This is such a stupid argument.

#1. NOBODY EVER PROVIDED PROOF THAT THE JAPANESE GOVERNMENT WOULD HAVE EVER ALLOWED BSE TESTED BEEF FROM THE U.S.

PURE SPECULATION ON YOUR PART!!!!!!!!!!

Without governmental approvement and an agreement, this point is moot as most of your stupid points are.

#2. The only reason we are not sending untested beef to the Japanese AT THIS MOMENT, is because an east coast packer violated our agreement on restricted materials to Japan.

#3. Japan is not currently asking for tested beef ARE THEY??? More proof of just how stupid your argument is.

#4. WE WERE ALREADY SHIPPING BEEF TO JAPAN WITHOUT TESTING.

You keep beating the same empty sounding drum over, and over, and the industry has long since passed you by.

Conman: "Are you alleging it is incompetence on the part of the USDA inspectors, Tam, or incompetence on the companies shipping the product? If the Japanese believed it was incompetence on the part of one company, wouldn't they allow other companies the chance? If they are thinking it is incompetence or downright arrogance on the part of USDA inspectors, wouldn't that be the reason to block all U.S. companies?

Which one is it, Tam? Incompetence or arrogance on the part of the USDA?"

Neither USDA blamer, it's incompetance on the part of the packer that sent restricted products.



~SH~

 

[greg]

Is it still "Canadian" beef it it is owned by Tyson, Cargill, or any of their subsidiarys?

It will be soon-Canadian-Rfid tags don't lie

 

[Sandhusker]

Tommy: "Now Scott or Tim H. where in the ad does it say that any and all beef coming from a country known to have BSE is tainted and unfit for human consumption?"

Hahaha! You're as deceptive as the pathetic deceptive organization you support.

Four Canadian born and raised cattle have
been identified with mad cow. Two since January.
Mad Cow is fatal in animals and linked to a fatal disease in humans. Yet, USDA bureaucrats are rushing to re-open the U.S. border to Canadian beef and cattle.

WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK "LINKED TO A FATAL DISEASE IN HUMANS" SUGGESTS TOMMY????

In response to industry pressure, USDA knowingly approved imports of high-risk Canadian beef products in violation of its own ban.

WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK "HIGH RISK" MEANS TOMMY????

Does someone need to spell it out to you???

Who's being deceptive now?

Did you think the Washington Post add was to inform consumers about the safety of Canadian beef???

Go ahead Tommy, carry on defending your foolishness. Here, let me feed you some rope.............

If Tim H.'s intention was not to mislead, then what in the heck was it? It damn sure was not true.

Tim's reference to the article being in the New York Times was incorrect, his statement regarding R-CULT's BSE fear mongering to stop Canadian imports, because they didn't know any better, is right on.

Of course you didn't miss me Tommy! No blamer likes to be introduced to their own deceptiveness like you just were.

Sandbag: "From who? How much untested beef have they taken from the US the last few weeks? How much is projected for next month?"

DID JAPAN IMPORT UNTESTED BEEF FROM THE UNITED STATES SINCE BSE WAS DISCOVERED IN THE U.S.???

YES OR NO?????

Sandbag: "The USDA does not test UTM cattle?"

Think you have a point?

MAKE IT!

Mike: "Same prions."

Different level of detectability.

Another empty tree Mike!


NEXT!


~SH~

A man of knowledge uses words with restraint, and a man of understanding is even tempered - Proverbs 18:27

 

[greg]

The main difference I see is the fact that it's CFIA inspectors in the Canadian plants. I deal with the CFIA all the time as a result of working at the vet clinic, and they take all this quality thing very seriously. Very very seriously.

You'll never hear a producer complaining about the CFIA being in big b siness's pockets, that's for sure. :shock:

Can't say it any better. I am a lowly AB cattle producer,working out at a coal mine to make it work? And I will willinglly support these guys,no choice today?

 

[Maple Leaf Angus]

So why isn't Japan taking U.S. beef right now, SH? Could it be that they are a little upset at the USDA in their incompetence in testing and arrogance in not allowing Creekstone to test?

The testing had nothing to do with it Econ but the SRM rule sure did. Do you think the Japanese would be taking any beef even if it was tested if they found restricted material in the packages. The rule was NO BONE that rule was broken. :roll:

Are you alleging it is incompetence on the part of the USDA inspectors, Tam, or incompetence on the companies shipping the product? If the Japanese believed it was incompetence on the part of one company, wouldn't they allow other companies the chance? If they are thinking it is incompetence or downright arrogance on the part of USDA inspectors, wouldn't that be the reason to block all U.S. companies?

Which one is it, Tam? Incompetence or arrogance on the part of the USDA?

I think that if you were to ask the Japanese that question they would wonder why they would have to choose one or the other. Doesn't really matter what Tam or anyone else on this board thinks. As long as your industry, from the smallest, least significant producer to the biggest packer to the last USDA employee, keeps on chewing itself up with internal bickering, you are going to have a hard time convincing anyone on the outside that you know what you are doing.

 

[TimH]

Tim H. ...R-calf buys($$$) full page adds in the New York Times which state that any and all beef coming from a country known to have BSE is tainted and unfit for human consumption.

The ad from the Washington Post...
Everyday U.S cattle producers bring youthe safest beef in the world.

Thank you, U.S. Senate, for keeping it that way.
Four Canadian born and raised cattle have
been identified with mad cow. Two since January.
Mad Cow is fatal in animals and linked to a fatal disease in humans. Yet, USDA bureaucrats are rushing to re-open the U.S. border to Canadian beef and cattle.

USDA's own Inspector General criticized the agency:
In response to industry pressure, USDA knowingly approved imports
of high-risk Canadian beef products in violation of its own ban.

U.S. Federal Judge Richard Cebull also criticized USDA:
"The USDA has evidenced a preconceived intention, based upon
inappropriate considerations, to rush to reopen the border
regardless of uncertainties in the agency's knowledge of the
possible impacts on human and animal health."

And, on March 3rd, the U.S. Senate said "NO" to USDA's plan.
Our high health and safety
standards are needed
to protect consumers, the
beef industry and U.S. jobs.

U.S. HOUSE: Support the resolution of disapproval
against USDA's weakening of U.S. import standards.
Paid for by the Ranchers Cattlemen Action Legal Fund United Stockgrowers of America.
www.r-calfusa.com

Now Scott or Tim H. where in the ad does it say that any and all beef coming from a country known to have BSE is tainted and unfit for human consumption?
If Tim H.'s intention was not to mislead, then what in the heck was it? It damn sure was not true.

A thousand pardons please, Tommy. You are right. I was wrong. The add appeared in an Internationally distributed newspaper which was not the "Times" but rather The Washington Post.
The text of that add included this....

"Mad Cow is fatal in animals and linked to a fatal disease in humans. Yet, USDA bureaucrats are rushing to re-open the U.S. border to Canadian beef and cattle.

USDA's own Inspector General criticized the agency:
In response to industry pressure, USDA knowingly approved imports
of high-risk Canadian beef products in violation of its own ban."

This is a VERY different message than the "genuine risk of death" statement which I wrongly attributed to the ad. :roll: That statement was made by Judge Cebull wasn't it?? Interestingly enough, he is quoted in the ad.

Thank you Tommy for pointing out my "lies and deception".

 

[Anonymous]

Yes Tim, Tommy just nailed you didn't he?

Everyone knows there is a huge difference between a "genuine risk of death" and "linked to a fatal disease in humans".

Gosh, you should just hang your head in shame for wrongly stating the New York Times rather than the Washington Post. Such a huge technicality.

Think about it Tim, if you supported an organization that was so ignorant that they would risk the integrity of 80% of our U.S. beef consumption by lying about the affects of BSE to stop the importation of 10% of our U.S. beef consumption because they actually thought Canadian beef would disappear off the world market, wouldn't you be a bit defensive like Tommy? LOL!

I'd certainly be embarrassed!

Sandbag: "A man of knowledge uses words with restraint, and a man of understanding is even tempered - Proverbs 18:27"

A man who detests lies and deception treats liars and deceivers the way they deserve to be treated - Huber 101

Jesus literally tossed the gamblers out of the temple when he had a belly full.


~SH~

 

[rkaiser]

We have a mental Hospital right down the street from our house that accepts a few patients every week that think they are Jesus, Scott. Want me to reserve you a space?

 

[rkaiser]

Maple Leaf - I think the question that needs to be asked, and is almost three years over due is - Will you Mr. Japanese President accept BSE tested beef from the country of Canada?

How about it?

 

[Anonymous]

Randy Kaiser: "We have a mental Hospital right down the street from our house that accepts a few patients every week that think they are Jesus, Scott. Want me to reserve you a space?"

I didn't say I thought I was Jesus, I said Jesus also got a belly full of the cheats and tossed them out of the temple in response to Sandhusker's sermon.

It's not surprising that you would live so close to a mental hospital. Probably full of your relatives huh?

Babble, babble....Tyson.....babble babble......Excel.....babble babble .........drool........ZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz!


~SH~

 

[rkaiser]

No relatives Scott, but as I told you before, I spent a few weeks myself. I was in a delusional time of life where I saw mutinational companies being good for the individual entepreneurs of this country. Only took a couple of weeks of therapy to straighten me out.

You should try it - much better than wearing capes around your house with SH on the front, just waiting for your next chance to blast a packer bwamer. Do you have a bell on your computer or something that rings when a packer bwamer chimes up?