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Jake

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Here's a bull I"m interested in, please let me know what you think or if you'd be interested in semen possibly. ( Yes, I know it's a stretch on the semen) I have yet to see him in person but I like the pedigree and the balance he carries. Approx $$ he'll bring... I have no idea

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P.S. Yes I just copied my post for CT over to here, too tired to type it all otu again.. :lol:
 
Jake I like him.... I like the stats on both his sire, Legend, and his maternal grandsire Echelon....This bull should definitely make some nice working heifers- as he should truly moderate or hold frame size- and is pretty middle of the road on all his numbers....

Except I am prejudiced toward Ohlde and Diamond D cattle and 6807 progeny --I saw Ohldes sale is coming up and was looking at his catalog earlier tonite - but its a little far for me to go bull hunting...
 
Oldtimer said:
Jake I like him.... I like the stats on both his sire, Legend, and his maternal grandsire Echelon....This bull should definitely make some nice working heifers- as he should truly moderate or hold frame size- and is pretty middle of the road on all his numbers....

Except I am prejudiced toward Ohlde and Diamond D cattle and 6807 progeny --I saw Ohldes sale is coming up and was looking at his catalog earlier tonite - but its a little far for me to go bull hunting...
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I'm thinking school and work are gunna miss me for the day and I'm gunna go down, they are only about 30 miles south of us at the farm and the sale is at a barn which we frequent so it's an easy gig. Consequently I really like the ohlde cattle as we've used them before and I'm really impressed with Legend so far.... I just hate thinking about spending 4K on a bull.... that's why I'm wondering if there is ANY semen market on him....
 
I have friends who have used Ohlde's cattle and they actually like the Echelons better than Emblazon.

Be sure to check out this bulls feet. That and fertility are the holes in 6807, or so I hear.

I doubt if you get him for bought for $4000 anyway. The footnote says he is a sale feature, does it not?

I came across this in the Montana Stockgrower Cattle Directory. I thought it had a lot of merit.

Have you been duped?
Promoters of EPDs as a useful tool in selecting cattle may have ruined your herd. EPD's have produced cattle whose genes demand more resources than your environment can provide. With every purchase of a bull that promised to bring you "explosive growth", if you kept his daughters, you have reduced the biological fitness of your herd. Modern beef cattle are too tall, too narrow, too lean. Animal selection using EPD's only identifies individuals who excel in an ideal environment. Introducing seed stock that is genetically 'better', but which requires irrigated pastures to thrive, is not a good choice for a rancher on short grass prairie.

Since time began, nature has selected for biological fitness. Animals adapted to their environment by natural selection are limited phenotypically by the resources of their environment. That is why all deer look alike. Natural selection shies away from extremes. If your cows are biologically adapted to your environment, their phenotype is an expression of their balanced endocrine system which is critical to their ability to withstand the stress of a grass-based environment. Well-adapted cows are long-lived easy-keepers. If you intorduce a bull to increase production, the genetic need to support growth will untilize the resources that previously were used to maximize fitness. The cows will suffer.

I absolutely believe this. So I have tried to find seedstock that was selected before the days of promotion. In reaching back to the earliest bulls imported to create the Wye herd I believe I have found blood that was fashioned over many generations by conservative cattlemen. I have sought out bulls free of genetic defects, bulls known for the longevity of their daughters. Presently I am using sons of Prince of Malpas, Lodge of Wye and Viking GD60. I am happy to have daughters of Viking, Emulation 31, F0203 and Fabron of Wye in my herd. I can't live long enough to concentrate this blood. But I can enjoy what I believe to be the right decisions, by exclusively trying to improve maternal function.

Harrison O'Connor
Saddle Butte Ranch
Geyser, Mt.
406-735-4400
 
Faster horses said:
I have friends who have used Ohlde's cattle and they actually like the Echelons better than Emblazon.

Be sure to check out this bulls feet. That and fertility are the holes in 6807, or so I hear.

I doubt if you get him for bought for $4000 anyway. The footnote says he is a sale feature, does it not?
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Half the lots in the sale are feature lots so that isn't a big deal, When I talked to Tim he said he didn't expect anything out of the 3-5K range. His Scrotal EPD is a +.21 so at least it is positive which is an improvement over a lot of bulls these days. I can find holes in him, (and no I don't actually think I'd see a semen market for him)

Correction: his YW EPD is a 75 and $EN is 11.39
 
I think I have their catalog around here someplace. I'd say go for it.
He looks good to me.

I hope you get him bought. It's a real satisfying feeling to get one you really like. And who's to say you can't sell semen. Maybe not the first year, but down the line. Emblazon's are a pretty hot item right now because of the Angus $SEN values on him. (Did I even say that right?)

Anyway, Good Luck getting him and let us know!
 
yeah I was just thinking as long as small nuts and bad feet are in style 6807 will never die-I've used some Ohlde cattle here they were all right-nothing spectacular-our neighbors brought up some bulls from his place a few years back-they are making out like bandits selling bulls off them. That being said the old 6807 bull must of threw some good ones over the years-I sure like the e.p.d's on that bull you aree interested in-not a black jersey like most-if he's as wide as he is thick he'll be worth the money-from what I've seen of Ohlde's cows he should have a good momma too.
 
Jake said:
Faster horses said:
I have friends who have used Ohlde's cattle and they actually like the Echelons better than Emblazon.

Be sure to check out this bulls feet. That and fertility are the holes in 6807, or so I hear.

I doubt if you get him for bought for $4000 anyway. The footnote says he is a sale feature, does it not?
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Half the lots in the sale are feature lots so that isn't a big deal, When I talked to Tim he said he didn't expect anything out of the 3-5K range. His Scrotal EPD is a +.21 so at least it is positive which is an improvement over a lot of bulls these days. I can find holes in him, (and no I don't actually think I'd see a semen market for him)

Correction: his YW EPD is a 75 and $EN is 11.39
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Jake-- Did you get your bull bought? I see where Tim was a little off on his estimate- the 88 bulls averaged $6134 with Lot 30 bringing $52,000 for 1/2 interest...
 
nope, he went for 8500, lot 11 went for 10K so nothing came home, decided for that money the young bulls we have at home look REAL good. Dont' see how he'd pay for himself in a commercial operation.
 
Jake said:
nope, he went for 8500, lot 11 went for 10K so nothing came home, decided for that money the young bulls we have at home look REAL good. Dont' see how he'd pay for himself in a commercial operation.
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I, being the tightwad I am, would have to agree with you....Apparently there were several others that agreed with your selection ability.....
 
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This is the OCC Glory bull I bought here a month ago I paid $3400 for him that's the most I've ever paid for a bull.I see two of his 1/2 brothers sold for $15,000 each.I will have sons of him for sale in 2 years and they will be affordable...

I am AI ING 30 cows to OCC Homer,OCC Hunter and OCC Echelon this year.I will spend about $4000 on AIing this year but I will have plenty of bulls to pick from plus all the heifers.I am doing it mainly just to raise bulls for my own use at this time.

This year I have sons of Sitz Alliance 6595,Sitz Value 7097,Bando 9074,Connealy Freightliner and BCC Bushwacker plus Glacier Chateau in Red Angus..

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the three I'd picked out were lots 11,13, and 30.... no way any of them were coming home. Buying semen sounds a lot cheaper to me now.
 
Faster horses said:
He has the look of a good one, Denny. What's his mama?

I like the Homers too. I don't think you can go wrong with 6595 either.
FWIW~
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The cow is a daughter of Traveler 124 GDAR who's sire is QAS Traveler 23-4 and Rito 054 GDAR on the bottom.

I really like the Alliance calves they really grow...
 
Wow, that is an impressive bottom side too. Here in Montana O54 is in the elite group as far as females go. When Cedar Hills dispersed in Miles City, people paid a lot of money for his cows and especially the 054 line. It is very much sought after.

We used him based on the advice of the fellow we bought our bulls from. It was hard to pass over the 2100 sons at a sale, because they were stouter than the 054's but O54's real punch was the females. I talked to Russ Denowh about it years ago on which bull to use and he said, "I've never culled an 054 daughter for udder problems, but I have 2100."

Traveler 124 is also a great female maker.

Where did you find that bull?
 
I bought him at Big Rok Angus in Detroit Lakes Mn in early march.


So did you make it through the snow in good shape??????
 
No kidding he'd of culled some 2100's on udders-the first one should of been his mother. I just picked up some Angus Journals at a friends place-YIKES-were about to drown in our own milk-I'm afraid E.P.D's are all about maximums and promotion and less about the good of the breed. If I want plus 30 milk and lots of marbling I can pick up a day old Jersey bull calf for a 100 bucks and the sad thing is those F1 Jersey/Angus crosses would winter better and be more fertile than alot of straightbred Angus cows I saw in those books. There's getting too many hard doing-sorry ash cattle in a great breed. PROCEED WITH CAUTION!!!
 

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