OldChangedHisTune said:But Montana leads the country (maybe world) on individual privacy and individual rights- the reason our Governor/state is leading the fight against GW's Orwellian plans of "Real ID" and "Mandatory cattle ID-NAIS" along with many other of GW's Constitution eroding plans he is promoting with the use of fearmongering thru his "Patriot" Act...
Whitewing said:OldChangedHisTune said:But Montana leads the country (maybe world) on individual privacy and individual rights- the reason our Governor/state is leading the fight against GW's Orwellian plans of "Real ID" and "Mandatory cattle ID-NAIS" along with many other of GW's Constitution eroding plans he is promoting with the use of fearmongering thru his "Patriot" Act...
OT must be really hacked about this Constitution-eroding, fearmongering act that is again being foisted on the American people, not to mention the good citizens of Montana......
:lol:
Tester pledges 'no' vote on extending controversial Patriot Act
Senator: 'When we give up our rights, we give way to exactly what terrorists want for us'
Monday, May 23, 2011
(U.S. SENATE) – Senator Jon Tester today announced that he will vote against a 4-year extension of the controversial Patriot Act, which he said "tramples on our constitutional rights."
Tester, a longtime opponent of the Patriot Act, spoke against the law in a speech on the Senate floor. Tester said the law "invades the privacy of law-abiding Montanans and law-abiding Americans."
"Long before I ever got to the Senate, the Patriot Act was sold to us as a toolbox of sorts—to give U.S. agents the tools they need to find, fight and kill terrorists," Tester told his colleagues. "But what we got from the Patriot Act was a law that is killing the rights guaranteed by our Constitution."
"When we give up our rights, we give way to exactly what terrorists want for us: fewer freedoms and invasion of privacy," Tester added.
Tester noted that Senators may not be permitted to offer amendments on the Patriot Act extension, which he called "a shame."
Tester also praised U.S. troops and intelligence agents, saying they are better trained, smarter and stronger than any other force in the world.
"And they do what they do without needing to snoop around in the private lives of law-abiding Americans and Montanans," Tester said. "Without having to dig up your medical records, or your gun records, or your library records, or your internet records."
Tester is an outspoken advocate for privacy rights who has consistently opposed the Patriot Act and the federal REAL ID program. He voted against a 3-month extension of the controversial law earlier this year.
Congressional Leaders Reach Agreement On Patriot Act Extension
By AP on May 19th, 2011
WASHINGTON — Top congressional leaders agreed Thursday to a four-year extension of the anti-terrorist Patriot Act, the controversial law passed after the Sept. 11 attacks that governs the search for terrorists on American soil.
The deal between Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and House Speaker John Boehner calls for a vote before May 27, when parts of the current act expire. The idea is to pass the extension with as little debate as possible to avoid a protracted and familiar argument over the expanded power the law gives to the government.
Support for the extension was unclear. Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., wanted tighter restrictions on the government's power and may seek to amend it. In the House, members of the freshman class elected on promises of making government smaller were skeptical.
"I still have some concerns, and at this point I'm leaning against (voting for) it," said one, Rep. Andy Harris, R-Md.
The legislation would extend three expiring provisions until June 1, 2015, officials said.
The provisions at issue allow the government to use roving wiretaps on multiple electronic devices and across multiple carriers and get court-approved access to business records relevant to terrorist investigations. The third, a "lone wolf" provision that was part of a 2004 law, permits secret intelligence surveillance of non-U.S. individuals without having to show a connection between the target and a specific terrorist group.
From its inception, the law's increased surveillance powers have been criticized by liberals and conservatives alike as infringements on free speech rights and protections against unwarranted searches and seizures.
Some Patriot Act opponents suggest that Osama bin Laden's demise earlier this month should prompt Congress to reconsider the law, written when the terrorist leader was at the peak of his power. But the act's supporters warn that al-Qaida splinter groups, scattered from Pakistan to the United States and beyond, may try to retaliate.
"Now more than ever, we need access to the crucial authorities in the Patriot Act," Attorney General Eric Holder told the Senate Judiciary Committee.
Sorry just had to share....I don't see why that should be any worry of GW's now- for the last 8 years besides an open door policy, he's all but laid out the welcome mat...
Real ID is a costly unfunded mandate to the states- that will cost even the small states $millions of dollars for the equipment/personell/training to switch over to it -- and that will allow Big Brother to keep a record/database of every where you travel- the places you use your ID for purchasing items with a credit card or check - every bank account you have- every time you access a Federal building or have contact with government, and a running tab on your life...
But like everything else this neocon President has done-money is no object to him as he spends this country into bankruptcy
NAIS is the same thing- a huge costly program that if some states had learned how to brand cattle instead of people would be unnecessary!!
And when the Federal Government can't keep the Veterans records, USDA Farm records, Pentagon computers secure- you think they will be able to keep these database's secure....
Oldtimer said:Whitewing said:OldChangedHisTune said:But Montana leads the country (maybe world) on individual privacy and individual rights- the reason our Governor/state is leading the fight against GW's Orwellian plans of "Real ID" and "Mandatory cattle ID-NAIS" along with many other of GW's Constitution eroding plans he is promoting with the use of fearmongering thru his "Patriot" Act...
OT must be really hacked about this Constitution-eroding, fearmongering act that is again being foisted on the American people, not to mention the good citizens of Montana......
:lol:
Whitewing-- again you lay out your ignorance of what I have said- and who I have supported...
I have forever opposed the "Real ID Act" and the "Mandatory cattle ID- NAIS" that GW- and the corporate lobbyiest ID folks continue to try and shove down our throats-- along with the "Patriot Act"....
I also supported a Senator (Jon Tester) and Governor (Brian Schweitzer) that have both opposed all three....And worked against these constitution infringing acts.....
Since you have all the free time to make posts singling out me-- go back thru the archives of my posts- on both PB and BS and check it out...Then after you apologize for your BS post--- look up how much folks like FH and some of the other Montanans opposed and fought against these folks that "really" look at the Constitution- and didn't just buy into what GW and their "cult" handlers tell them... :wink:
Tester pledges 'no' vote on extending controversial Patriot Act
Senator: 'When we give up our rights, we give way to exactly what terrorists want for us'
Monday, May 23, 2011
(U.S. SENATE) – Senator Jon Tester today announced that he will vote against a 4-year extension of the controversial Patriot Act, which he said "tramples on our constitutional rights."
Tester, a longtime opponent of the Patriot Act, spoke against the law in a speech on the Senate floor. Tester said the law "invades the privacy of law-abiding Montanans and law-abiding Americans."
"Long before I ever got to the Senate, the Patriot Act was sold to us as a toolbox of sorts—to give U.S. agents the tools they need to find, fight and kill terrorists," Tester told his colleagues. "But what we got from the Patriot Act was a law that is killing the rights guaranteed by our Constitution."
"When we give up our rights, we give way to exactly what terrorists want for us: fewer freedoms and invasion of privacy," Tester added.
Tester noted that Senators may not be permitted to offer amendments on the Patriot Act extension, which he called "a shame."
Tester also praised U.S. troops and intelligence agents, saying they are better trained, smarter and stronger than any other force in the world.
"And they do what they do without needing to snoop around in the private lives of law-abiding Americans and Montanans," Tester said. "Without having to dig up your medical records, or your gun records, or your library records, or your internet records."
Tester is an outspoken advocate for privacy rights who has consistently opposed the Patriot Act and the federal REAL ID program. He voted against a 3-month extension of the controversial law earlier this year.
Whitewing said:You're even more like Shamu than I thought OT. That one zoomed right over your poor little alcohol-soaked headbone, didn't it.
Here, I'll ask it more clearly.
I assume you'll be very upset with He Who Walks on Water when he signs legislation keeping the Patriot Act in force, right.
And apologize? For what? For pointing out that you wear Obama knee pads?
Oldtimer said:Since you have all the free time to make posts singling out me-- go back thru the archives of my posts- on both PB and BS and check it out...Then after you apologize for your BS post---
loomixguy said:Whitewing said:You're even more like Shamu than I thought OT. That one zoomed right over your poor little alcohol-soaked headbone, didn't it.
Here, I'll ask it more clearly.
I assume you'll be very upset with He Who Walks on Water when he signs legislation keeping the Patriot Act in force, right.
And apologize? For what? For pointing out that you wear Obama knee pads?
You owe me a new monitor for that Obama knee pad remark, WW! :clap: :lol2:
Tex said:I really try to stay out of this name calling stuff but I thought the afterbirthers name was a pretty good name and needs no apology.