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I live in WEST Texas :lol: :D :lol: 8)

And I do realize that their are scum everywhere.....yes even West River South Dakota....i've met some...hell I'm related to some! HAHA But anyway East River still ranks up there with Iowa or Minnesota.


Worst States

1) Iowa
2) Minnesota & Kansas (Tie)

I think its more the country that I don't like....i am not big on farming and infact hate it...and the people associated with farming usually think different than ranchers who raise cattle for a living. Although most farmers have cattle they don't hardly know which end to feed...they just have them to graze their stubble or whatever it is they eat out in those baren fields with nothing but stalks!

Typically the less people you deal with the better off you are! Just that in this day and age there is a damn person squatting under ever bush! And it seems like they all want something from you...mostly money!
 
i hear ya tex.......i will agree with you on the country side. i honestly think west river is much prettier than east. Its funny how some hate the drive to rapid because of how boring west river is but i feel just the opposite. Its too bad most of it is only good for antelope and rattlers but i guess thats why we originally gave it to the natives............some west have corn and hogs and such tho......you guys dont farm any grains? How about those goose hunters.....(new can of worms!)
 
TXTibbs said:
Southdakotahunter said:
oh ya, sorry tex..guess i misred that.............Is that supposed to be an insult, east river hunter? I take it as a complement. :D

Have a nice day Mr Tx.......... i am guessing your folks live on the west side of the river because if not they are all east river hunters also, but then again i would guess you would be complementing them also. Its too bad a couple bad experiences label everyone.....kind of like texas folk.


I grew up West River and no it wasn't a compliment. East River people will take it as that maybe but West River people will beable to sense my sarcaism. :lol:

But yeah the typical South Dakota battle between West River and East River people is always there. I grew up listening to west river people and was raised to think east river was a pit of sewage....then i went to SDSU to college and determined that all my west river friends were right!! haha :wink: :p :lol:

And yeah if you get out of the state of Texas its the same thing....no one likes Texas don't seem like.
Instead of West vs. East river its more like Texas vs. The rest of the US. But since i've lived in Texas I don't mind it or the people as much......but I lived in East River South Dakota and still can't figure some of you out! You can keep your soy beans and hogs and corn and pheasants and corn palace and sioux falls! 8)

It should be changed to be West Dakota and East Dakota split by the Missouri River...haha...or just giving Sioux Falls to Iowa would improve South Dakota by quite a bit to.

I better shut up now ;)

Well I be damned,and all this time I figgered everybody likes Texans??????I better check into this............good luck
 
Mr. SouthDakotaHunter,

One thing you neglect to take into account is that in our area there are still a considerable amount of sheep. I think the people that open up to the coyote hunt are also trying to save their private property (sheep) from predators. Do you see the parallel between that and our private property land rights? I don't think you could expect that because someone was in the lockout, that they would not want aerial hunters killing the coyotes that were eating their sheep either. We don't deal with either unless a neighbor who has sheep has a coyote coming over on our side of the fence, and then I would want the coyote dead. Do you think that because someone is locked out that they should not keep track of their business?

We are not stupid out here. We just want to prove a point.

And you are coming off as an entitlement hunter, saying money is behind all this, when for most it is absolutely not.

Maybe Haymaker does have the solution, and we should go compeletely pay hunting on private lands, and let the hunters cherry pick the public land. Most of the game is on private anyway.
 
Nicely said realjake. Out in this part of the country people still help thier nieghbor when he/she needs help. Wiether it is working livestock, getting a problem pedator, or he/she just mite be stuck in the creek or snow drift and need a hand getting out.
 
SouthDakota Hunter you sound like a mambi pambi ballbaby pissypants that is still hanging onto mama's tit with the poor me sindrome. AND LOCKOUT PRETAINS TO HUNTERS NOT CALLERS WHICH IS A BIG DIFFERENCE!!!! Coyote callers are a form of predetor control.And as far as I know no one has lockedout to pedator control!!!!
And you saying that game warderns don't come into your home unless they have tip on something you can shove that up your ass because I know first hand that they do this.
 
SDH: Up here, the hunters do respect the landownder and their land. THe game fish and parks department does respect the landowner
We hear this from GF&P all the time, but we have seen NO evidence of any respect for either landowners or property rights and it's easy to see how much respect YOU have for landowners.
SDH:Around here many hunters do give $, do give gifts and do help out around the farm. not all but it sure is not unheard of, unlike some make it sound
yep....its win win for everyone......just get out and enjoy and get to know a landowner. I will admit i hunt 75% public for deer and 50% public for pheasants. You should come up and go pheasant hunting some time. you would have a ball. there is plenty of public land to hunt or there is alot of lodges also, but often if you ask, most will let you hunt if you are just curtious and shut gates behind you and be safe. I can tell you it is a drop in the bucket the amount that have locked out and most of those didnt allow hunting in the first place so it was no real loss to the sportsman or the gfp to have those participate.
Win-win for everyone? Pray tell me what landowners stand to gain by allowing jerks with attitudes like yours to hunt on our land? I'm glad you don't miss hunting private land that is locked out. We don't miss you or GF&P either.
SDH:Where it will get real interesting will be IF they have a hard winter because the gfp wont help those out who dont allow hunting since they had the chance to help thin the herd in the first place. (now i did it, now you are going to here from LB about how the gfp dont help anyone....you just wait!)
There's nothing like a bad winter to thin out both deer and antelope; hunting does nothing to "manage" game. Try to get it through your thick skull that we don't need GF&P for ANYTHING. And as I said before, GF&P will be prosecuted for trespass just like any other criminal if I catch them on my land. We've posted for them you see… :D
foreman:LOCKOUT PRETAINS TO HUNTERS NOT CALLERS WHICH IS A BIG DIFFERENCE!!!! Coyote callers are a form of predetor control. And as far as I know no one has locked out to pedator control!!!!
Nor have we locked out to prairie dog killers - only hunters of game animals and GF&P. :twisted:
 
TXTibbs: Liberty Belle your my type of gal....you'd fit in at my familes house anytime.

As far as all this topic goes...its amazing how LB simply advertising a coyote calling contest has exploded into this....but thats typical on these type of deals.
Thanks for your kind comments Tex. You probably already know that you and your family fit in with this bunch real well. Bet you'd be as much fun to have around as the real jake is!!!

It is amazing how letting folks know about our upcoming coyote calling contest brought all the nuts, isn't it? Private ownership of property and capitalism on any level just drives these guys over the edge and most don't even realize what socialists they really are.
Hay Maker: Well I be damned,and all this time I figgered everybody likes Texans??????I better check into this............good luck
Everybody doesn't like Texans? Could have fooled me!! And after your kind comments I went and voted for you in your poll. San Antonio's River Walk is one of the nicest places on earth with some of the friendliest people, Texans and Mexicans. You can keep metropolitan Dallas though – too much big city for this old ranch lady.
 
TXTibbs said:
I live in WEST Texas :lol: :D :lol: 8)

And I do realize that their are scum everywhere.....yes even West River South Dakota....i've met some...hell I'm related to some! HAHA But anyway East River still ranks up there with Iowa or Minnesota.


Worst States

1) Iowa
2) Minnesota & Kansas (Tie)

I think its more the country that I don't like....i am not big on farming and infact hate it...and the people associated with farming usually think different than ranchers who raise cattle for a living. Although most farmers have cattle they don't hardly know which end to feed...they just have them to graze their stubble or whatever it is they eat out in those baren fields with nothing but stalks!

Typically the less people you deal with the better off you are! Just that in this day and age there is a damn person squatting under ever bush! And it seems like they all want something from you...mostly money!

So I was wondering where do all your WEST RIVER CATTLE go to be fed ?????Mn Iowa east S.D. East Nebraska if Mn Iowa and Kansas are the worst states you have led a sheltered life seem's you have problems with alot of people.Maybe your the problem think about that.There are good and bad all over the world the way you come across your not very pleasant have a nice day.

And most Farmer's know plenty on how to feed who do you think finishes those cattle and sheep????

The real reason you hate farming is there is work involved.
 
I raise cattle in the EAST...so I'm not a rancher or farmer....but I have worked extensively in the cattle biz out west and have always wondered why ranchers and farmers despise each other so.

Farmers have to grow the feed to feed out the cattle. If there were no cattle....you'd have feed piled up on every street corner.

It's just a puzzlement .
 
kolanuraven said:
I raise cattle in the EAST...so I'm not a rancher or farmer....but I have worked extensively in the cattle biz out west and have always wondered why ranchers and farmers despise each other so.

Farmers have to grow the feed to feed out the cattle. If there were no cattle....you'd have feed piled up on every street corner.

It's just a puzzlement .

Farmer's hate horses

Rancher's hate Tractor's

Most Feeder's are Farmer's and Rancher's think Feeder's aka Farmer's get all the Feed for free due to government program's so when they won't pay what Rancher's want there's hard feeling's at least that's how they think around here most Rancher's have no Idea what it takes to get that corn in the bin.I plant corn it's far from free feed. You can call me a Farmer or Rancher it's all in a name all that matter's is I raise a quality product that I am proud of and I provide for my family and friends some day's I'm a sodbuster other's a bronc buster and here lately busted by a bronc.
 
Denny said:
TXTibbs said:
I live in WEST Texas :lol: :D :lol: 8)

And I do realize that their are scum everywhere.....yes even West River South Dakota....i've met some...hell I'm related to some! HAHA But anyway East River still ranks up there with Iowa or Minnesota.


Worst States

1) Iowa
2) Minnesota & Kansas (Tie)

I think its more the country that I don't like....i am not big on farming and infact hate it...and the people associated with farming usually think different than ranchers who raise cattle for a living. Although most farmers have cattle they don't hardly know which end to feed...they just have them to graze their stubble or whatever it is they eat out in those baren fields with nothing but stalks!

Typically the less people you deal with the better off you are! Just that in this day and age there is a damn person squatting under ever bush! And it seems like they all want something from you...mostly money!

So I was wondering where do all your WEST RIVER CATTLE go to be fed ?????Mn Iowa east S.D. East Nebraska if Mn Iowa and Kansas are the worst states you have led a sheltered life seem's you have problems with alot of people.Maybe your the problem think about that.There are good and bad all over the world the way you come across your not very pleasant have a nice day.

And most Farmer's know plenty on how to feed who do you think finishes those cattle and sheep????

The real reason you hate farming is there is work involved.

Wow...tell me what you really think Denny! Anger management maybe?

Yes there is work with farming....but there is work with ranching...and I'd prefer the ranch work over the farm work. Atleast on the ranch we don't depend on the Government to keep it running :wink:
 
TXTibbs said:
Denny said:
TXTibbs said:
I live in WEST Texas :lol: :D :lol: 8)

And I do realize that their are scum everywhere.....yes even West River South Dakota....i've met some...hell I'm related to some! HAHA But anyway East River still ranks up there with Iowa or Minnesota.


Worst States

1) Iowa
2) Minnesota & Kansas (Tie)

I think its more the country that I don't like....i am not big on farming and infact hate it...and the people associated with farming usually think different than ranchers who raise cattle for a living. Although most farmers have cattle they don't hardly know which end to feed...they just have them to graze their stubble or whatever it is they eat out in those baren fields with nothing but stalks!

Typically the less people you deal with the better off you are! Just that in this day and age there is a damn person squatting under ever bush! And it seems like they all want something from you...mostly money!

So I was wondering where do all your WEST RIVER CATTLE go to be fed ?????Mn Iowa east S.D. East Nebraska if Mn Iowa and Kansas are the worst states you have led a sheltered life seem's you have problems with alot of people.Maybe your the problem think about that.There are good and bad all over the world the way you come across your not very pleasant have a nice day.

And most Farmer's know plenty on how to feed who do you think finishes those cattle and sheep????

The real reason you hate farming is there is work involved.

Wow...tell me what you really think Denny! Anger management maybe?

Yes there is work with farming....but there is work with ranching...and I'd prefer the ranch work over the farm work. Atleast on the ranch we don't depend on the Government to keep it running :wink:

Iknow you dont I only plant 40 acres of corn for silage for my cows so I dont either but but but...

If the grain farmers did'nt get a kick back to insure cheap feed how much do you think feeder calf prices would be with $6.00 corn you may not get the payment directly but you do get it indirectly.....
 
I personally do not have any problem with our game warden coming onto my land, IF he sees a violation. I agree with 99% of the things our GF&P does, from shooting a moose in the city limits of Rapid City to ticketing people they see on my land violating game laws.
 
Liberty Belle,

Would you post the bill that has been brought up to the legislature that the lockout folks support? I think it would clear up a lot of misundertanding. It might surprise some out there that we are not asking for all the changes in the world.

Thanks.
 
Good idea jake. I'll post HB 1258, which is the house bill that was identical to the senate's version, SB122:

State of South Dakota
SEVENTY-NINTH SESSION
LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY, 2004

664J0630 HOUSE AGRICULTURE AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMITTEE ENGROSSED NO. HB 1258 - 02/10/2004

Introduced by: Representatives Rhoden, Deadrick (Thomas), Dykstra, Elliott, Hanson, Hunhoff, Juhnke, Lintz, McCoy, Novstrup, Olson (Ryan), Peterson (Jim), and Sigdestad and Senators Duenwald, Kleven, Koskan, and Napoli

FOR AN ACT ENTITLED, An Act to restrict the entry of conservation officers onto certain private land without permission.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF SOUTH DAKOTA:
Section 1. That chapter 41-2 be amended by adding thereto a NEW SECTION to read as follows:

No conservation officer may, in the course of performing the ordinary duties of a conservation officer, enter any private land unless the conservation officer has the permission of the landowner or the lessee. However, any conservation officer may enter any private land without permission:

(1) If reasonable suspicion or probable cause exists that a violation of a law that the conservation officer is authorized to enforce has been, is being, or is about to be committed;

(2) To investigate a report of illegal hunting, fishing, or trapping activity;

(3) To dispatch crippled or distressed wildlife;

(4) To respond to emergency situations, accidents, or other threats to public safety.
 
I'm also going to post an article from the Rapid City Journal explaining both sides of the issue. Read this and the language in the bill and then explain to us how GF&P would be hindered in the performance of their duties by this legislation. We left them loopholes big enough to drive a Mack truck through, but that wasn't good enough for Herr Cooper.

Open fields bill moves ahead
By Denise Ross, Journal Staff Writer

PIERRE -- A bill that would require game wardens to obtain permission to enter a privately owned farm or ranch gained the approval of a legislative committee Tuesday.

SB122 is the most recent piece of a robust policy debate over private-property rights, hunting and the demeanor of state Game, Fish & Parks officers in South Dakota.

The Senate Agriculture and Natural Resources Committee sided squarely with disgruntled landowners with a 7-2 vote to send SB122 to the full Senate.

SB122 sponsor Sen. Jay Duenwald, R-Hoven, said the state's interpretation of a legal theory called the open fields doctrine has left landowners legitimately upset about the erosion of private-property rights.

"Without property rights, the other rights virtually do not exist," Duenwald said.

Under the open fields doctrine, game wardens may enter farm or ranch property to check hunters' licenses and the number of animals they have killed.

GF&P Secretary John Cooper said he relies on a state attorney general's opinion that says a pair of U.S. Supreme Court rulings allow law enforcement officers to enter open fields to enforce the law rather than obtaining the owner's permission or a search warrant required to enter a building.

Cooper said current GF&P policy requires a warden to observe hunting, fishing or trapping activity before entering private property to check licenses.

Under SB122, the officers would be able to enter private land without permission in four situations.

n If reasonable suspicion or probable cause exists that a violation of a law that the conservation officer is authorized to enforce has been, is being or is about to be committed.

n To investigate a report of illegal hunting, fishing or trapping activity.

n To dispatch crippled or distressed wildlife.

n To respond to emergency situations, accidents or other threats to public safety.

Much of Tuesday's debate centered on complicated court cases and the interpretation of legal rulings and opinions.

Harding County rancher Larry Nelson said the two U.S. Supreme Court cases the state relies on involved searches that were challenged after law enforcement officers observed possible illegal activity. South Dakota's practice requires no such probable cause, making the legal underpinnings for the state's policy tenuous, he argued.

"In none of these cases anywhere does it talk about the ability to do compliance checks," Nelson said.


Chuck Schroyer, lobbyist for the South Dakota State's Attorneys Association, said the state has its own property rights to protect.

"The purpose of the open fields doctrine is to protect the property owned by the state of South Dakota in the form of wildlife. That's a property right just as strongly as for an owner of real estate," Schroyer said. "You've effectively diminished the ability of law enforcement to handle that property."

Rancher and former state criminal investigator Richard Meyer said that when they enter land without permission, game wardens are guilty of trespassing.

"They're breaking a law to enforce a law," he said.


Lynn A. Johnson of Florence said he wants conservation officers to be able to enter his property to do their job and that he often won't be around to give them permission.

"If the COs suspect something, I want them to be able to go out there and protect me," he said.

Those on both sides of the issue agreed that attitudes have changed when it comes to hunting in South Dakota.

Sturgis area rancher Anita Lee said she believes hunters have lost respect for the landowners on whose property they hunt.

"Hunters have the attitude they don't have to ask. They own the game and are taxpayers, and they're damn well going to hunt. That's the point where we put up signs and say, 'No hunters. Go to hell,'" Lee told the committee. "Our attitudes have changed. I wish we could find a way to go back to the way things were 35 years ago."

Sen. Jim Lintz, R-Hermosa, said he believes the attitudes of some GF&P officers have forced the situation.

"We are here today because there's been abuse, and I think there's going to be further abuse," Lintz told Cooper. "It's because of the attitude of a very few of your people."


Lintz gave Cooper credit for setting up a working group to try to deal with the open fields doctrine and other issues but said he does not believe that will be enough.

Without a resolution, some predicted the practice of private landowners forbidding hunting is likely to grow.

"A viable hunting industry takes balanced cooperation from landowners, the Game, Fish & Parks and hunters," Bob Mack of Watertown said. "We're going to see the lockout spread across this state. That will make it a difficult job of managing and harvesting game if this conflict continues."

Sen. Ken McNenny, R-Sturgis, said the lockout might spread whether or not relations between land owners, hunters and game wardens improve. A lockout is the only tool available to landowners who believe the open fields doctrine is unjust, he said.

"By letting hunters on, they're encouraging the loss of property rights because someone can come out and check what they're doing," McNenny said.

Sen. John Koskan, R-Wood, agreed, saying the choice is between the preservation of private-property rights and convenience for law enforcement.

"I'm not sure that compliance checks to make sure somebody has a license outweighs private-property rights," Koskan said.


The full Senate could take up SB122 as soon as today.

Contact Denise Ross at 394-8438 or [email protected].
February 2, 2005
http://rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2005/02/02/front/top/news01.txt
 
Man o man.........isnt it amaizing how people get to name calling when i have only stated facts. :( You can call me all the names you want to, it just shows how inteligent you are.) You are telling me this calling contest is just calling.....and when they get called in your not gonna shoot em which would be hunting? I know of duck calling contests that are done at cabellas or ace hardware or the legion or somewhere. Is that what type of a calling contest this is? Again, i understand it is your land but how the heck can you say "lockout....no hunting" but hunt coyotes???

Pests? Yes i would agree....some feel deer and antelope are pests. You have to have a hunting license to hunt prairie dogs, coyotes, deer, whatever. Hunting is hunting and no one has yet explaind to me why one is ok and the other is not. Quit name calling and explain. I do know something for a fact, anytime name calling starts, you loose respect from whoever. I can respect your standing your ground and not allowing hunting but when you decide to allow one and not the other, people start questioning your thinking. Other than hypocrit, (maybe misspelled) i have not slung any mud and i really dont feel i deserve to be called names. Still waiting for a logical explaination!
 
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SouthDakota Hunter you sound like a mambi pambi ballbaby pissypants that is still hanging onto mama's tit with the poor me sindrome. AND LOCKOUT PRETAINS TO HUNTERS NOT CALLERS WHICH IS A BIG DIFFERENCE!!!! Coyote callers are a form of predetor control.And as far as I know no one has lockedout to pedator control!!!!
And you saying that game warderns don't come into your home unless they have tip on something you can shove that up your ass because I know first hand that they do this.


Wow....look how good i can cut and paste.....amazing how just stating the facts and people start with personal insults.
 
Southdakotahunter said:
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SouthDakota Hunter you sound like a mambi pambi ballbaby pissypants that is still hanging onto mama's tit with the poor me sindrome. AND LOCKOUT PRETAINS TO HUNTERS NOT CALLERS WHICH IS A BIG DIFFERENCE!!!! Coyote callers are a form of predetor control.And as far as I know no one has lockedout to pedator control!!!!
And you saying that game warderns don't come into your home unless they have tip on something you can shove that up your ass because I know first hand that they do this.


Wow....look how good i can cut and paste.....amazing how just stating the facts and people start with personal insults.

You'll have to excuse that young fellers posting, he's young and hasn't learned all his manners yet! :wink:
 

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