Northern Rancher
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I'm interested in the reasoning behind your cut and paste job there Tibbsy. Care to explain!!!!! :wink:
2nd Annual Coyote Calling Contest
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Liberty Belle
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Northern Rancher - Way to go!! You sure you don't have time to come down here next week? Or maybe just send dead-eye here?
Oldtimer - would your uncle like to visit our area in a week or so?
Okay Haymaker, you've gone and done it now!!! How many PETA type whackos are going to see your picture and say "Oh, the poor coyote!!! How could any rancher or state trapper use such an inhumane method as a leg-hold trap - in this case a fang-hold, but I digress - to kill such an innocent little canine?"
To counter the screaming I can already hear building, I'm going to post this picture that was taken of the gory results of ONE day's coyote kill on our neighbor's land while GF&P had our coyote hunter grounded and awaiting his trial for shooting a wounded coyote on a rival predator control pilot's land next to the land of the producer who had called him in because he was losing sheep.
While this was the only time the neighbor bothered to take pictures, most of us could have taken much the same pictures on our own ranches – while the GF&P trappers in the two adjoining counties were supposedly working diligently to rid us of the varmints. Can you see the problem? If you're counting, there are thirteen dead sheep here, a very unlucky number for this rancher.
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HAY MAKER said:
That looks like a mounted coyote...if it was a real coyote its tounge wouldn't still be under the jaw of the trap and also there would be some blood......sooooooo Haymaker...i'm saying that photo is rigged and its a mounted coyote......am i right?????????
If that was a real pic that coyote would of had that trap ripped off there in a few seconds.....
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Northern Rancher said:
because you were being a smart ass!!!! Does that explain it enough???
Northern Rancher
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Better a smart ass than a dumb ass sunshine lol. :wink:
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i agree!
foreman
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Coyote calling is a skill or talent!!!!!
A coyote calling contest is to demonstrate your ability to call coyotes. You must pay an entry fee to get in the contest, and if you are the best caller you will be rewarded with prize money for demonstrating your calling talent and or skill, and ability to shoot one after you call one in. A coyote calling contest is not a hunting rampage where you run all over the country killing coyotes. Further more if you are not a land owner/operater you obtain,aquire or get permission from the landowner/operater to call coyotes. If you are a landowner/operater and you leave your own land to call coyotes you still get permission from the landowner/operater. If you don't get or have permission from landowner/operater and the judges find out or are notified by someone that team will be disquailified from the contest and be put on a list that goes out to all other contests that you and your teammate have been disquailified and if that happens you are not allowed in any coyote calling contest.
Quote a couple of rules from the rules and regulations from a calling contest.
Teams are responsable for their own hunting land during the hunt and must aquire permission for private land.
The pupose of this hunt is to demonstrate your calling skills therefore the use of dogs,airplanes,aircraft,snowmobiles,4 wheelers, motorcycles and or any other type of ATV for pursuit is not allowed. So if you are a coyote caller you must obey, honor and respect the PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS of the landowner/operater or be disqualified from that contest and probably all other coyote calling contest.
These contest are alot of fun to be in, have a chance to win a little money, and also help keep the pedator population down.
A coyote calling contest is to demonstrate your ability to call coyotes. You must pay an entry fee to get in the contest, and if you are the best caller you will be rewarded with prize money for demonstrating your calling talent and or skill, and ability to shoot one after you call one in. A coyote calling contest is not a hunting rampage where you run all over the country killing coyotes. Further more if you are not a land owner/operater you obtain,aquire or get permission from the landowner/operater to call coyotes. If you are a landowner/operater and you leave your own land to call coyotes you still get permission from the landowner/operater. If you don't get or have permission from landowner/operater and the judges find out or are notified by someone that team will be disquailified from the contest and be put on a list that goes out to all other contests that you and your teammate have been disquailified and if that happens you are not allowed in any coyote calling contest.
Quote a couple of rules from the rules and regulations from a calling contest.
Teams are responsable for their own hunting land during the hunt and must aquire permission for private land.
The pupose of this hunt is to demonstrate your calling skills therefore the use of dogs,airplanes,aircraft,snowmobiles,4 wheelers, motorcycles and or any other type of ATV for pursuit is not allowed. So if you are a coyote caller you must obey, honor and respect the PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS of the landowner/operater or be disqualified from that contest and probably all other coyote calling contest.
These contest are alot of fun to be in, have a chance to win a little money, and also help keep the pedator population down.
Liberty Belle
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Thanks foreman. I agree - coyote calling is both a skill and a talent. I appreciate your emphasis on private property too. We, of all people, would be the last to stand for a bunch of trespassers on four-wheelers tearing through our pastures. Besides that, asking permission is just plain old fashioned good manners.
theshootist
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I was just checking up on the coyote hunts, and boy, some of the other comments I see are interesting. I just wanted to comment on the FAKE picture of the coyote with a trap in it's mouth. That is a mounted coyote, look at the tounge and how it is positioned, that is a common display used by taxidermists. Also I agree if that would have been a live coyote, that trap would have been off in no time at all, ever watched one working on it's leg in foothold. they wouldn't just "pose" for a nice little picture with a trap on its mouth. Come on.
Anyway, our hunt is shaping up, with most of our hunters from last year getting their entries in. Remember after the 18th of December we will start opening it up for others to get in. There is a waiting list and those on it have first chance though. We will fill up and are kicking around an idea to take 1 extra team. After the dust settles a little, we may have a raffle on one spot for the hunt and it will be open to anyone. We have actually been asked about doing this and we thought it may be a good idea and give someone who wasn't able to get in, a chance to. We would sell chances at $5.00 a piece for a chance to get it, and the lucky winner could then bring anyone they would like to be thier partner as long as they can legally hunt in ND and SD. The money raised from this will either go directly into the Coyote Hunt, the Gun Range Project, or will be donated to some kind of a shooting sports program. Haven't decided yet and won't until we have our next meeting.
Just had to comment on the FAKE picture.
The Shootist
Anyway, our hunt is shaping up, with most of our hunters from last year getting their entries in. Remember after the 18th of December we will start opening it up for others to get in. There is a waiting list and those on it have first chance though. We will fill up and are kicking around an idea to take 1 extra team. After the dust settles a little, we may have a raffle on one spot for the hunt and it will be open to anyone. We have actually been asked about doing this and we thought it may be a good idea and give someone who wasn't able to get in, a chance to. We would sell chances at $5.00 a piece for a chance to get it, and the lucky winner could then bring anyone they would like to be thier partner as long as they can legally hunt in ND and SD. The money raised from this will either go directly into the Coyote Hunt, the Gun Range Project, or will be donated to some kind of a shooting sports program. Haven't decided yet and won't until we have our next meeting.
Just had to comment on the FAKE picture.
The Shootist
theshootist said:
I think some of Yall are reading something into the picture that aint there,nobody said or implied that is was dead or alive.
Its amazing what some of you self proclaimed experts will read into something,maybe you oughta call yourself "Bullshootist" ?
.............good luckPS when I post a lil humor I always forget that there are nit wits reading these,my mistake :???:
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Our coyote calling contest has garnered some protestors.
Really! National Human Society called about it too.
Oops! Need to change that to read "National Humane Society"...
Really! National Human Society called about it too.
Oops! Need to change that to read "National Humane Society"...
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Anonymous
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Our Chamber sponsored one for years--Gave away an expensive varmint gun for whoever collected the most coyote ears during the winter...Then they got pressure from the anti-hunting and enviromental groups and dropped it...
So some of the hunters got together and now put on their own along with a bunny hunt night.....I think its coming up soon, because I heard my son talking that he had to make sure he was in town those days....
So some of the hunters got together and now put on their own along with a bunny hunt night.....I think its coming up soon, because I heard my son talking that he had to make sure he was in town those days....
Southdakotahunter
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LB....Your Buddy Tony Dean has been hammering on the success of your so called "lockout". Might want to respond. Anyway, WHAT A JOKE!!! How can you have a "lockout" and still hunt coyotes? Lockout is a lockout and i would be offended by your actions if i was a member of the lockout. Thats like saying "I am boycotting Walmart........I will not shop at Walmart........but they have a heck of a sale on motor oil...other than motor oil, I am boycotting walmart" That is pure and total hypocracy. You are a hypocrite!!
Liberty Belle
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Took offense did you? Poor baby... Should I be flattered that your first post is aimed at the lockout? I just love having these philosophical discussions with deep thinkers like you and Tony Dean. Or are you one and the same?
Listen honey – this is MY land and I can do anything on it I want that's legal. The last I checked coyote calling is legal. The whole concept behind the lockout is to prevent GF&P from abusing our property rights, not to punish hunters and certainly not to limit whatever an individual decides to do with his own land. Now I realize that galls guys like you and Tony Dean who believe all land should be owned by "the public" instead of being under individual ownership, but since this is still a free country, you can stick your fuzzy little socialist ideas where "the sun don't shine".
If you consider this hypocrisy it breaks my heart, but I'll learn to live with it. The subject here is coyote calling contests. Quit beating a dead horse and get back on topic.
Kato
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I have a question. :???:
I'm assuming your GF and P people are Game Fish and 'whatever' government types? Your counterparts to our conservation officers? If so, exactly what do they do to make everyone so mad? Are they a heavy handed bunch? Please explain. I'd like to know.
We don't seem to have that type of problem here. The conservation office in our area sends officers out to cruise and look for illegal hunting, but they pretty much do it on public property. Stopping trucks and checking tags, and that sort of thing. They'll help landowners out with predator and bird problems, but only of you go looking for them and ask. They are also the guys to call if you have a bear problem. I don't know anyone who doesn't get along with these guys, except maybe poachers and road hunters.
Just wondering what the difference is that makes your guys so unpopular.
I'm assuming your GF and P people are Game Fish and 'whatever' government types? Your counterparts to our conservation officers? If so, exactly what do they do to make everyone so mad? Are they a heavy handed bunch? Please explain. I'd like to know.
We don't seem to have that type of problem here. The conservation office in our area sends officers out to cruise and look for illegal hunting, but they pretty much do it on public property. Stopping trucks and checking tags, and that sort of thing. They'll help landowners out with predator and bird problems, but only of you go looking for them and ask. They are also the guys to call if you have a bear problem. I don't know anyone who doesn't get along with these guys, except maybe poachers and road hunters.
Just wondering what the difference is that makes your guys so unpopular.
foreman
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Kato,
In response to your question about why our game fish and parks people are on our hit list. It's bad enough that the state seems to think that every living creature that graces our fine earth belongs to them and that they should reep all the profits off of what we have to put up with and feed all year, that they have to hire men that will abuse the priviliges given to them through their job. It would tickle me pink if all our game, fish and park people did was harass the poachers and people who don't obey hunting laws, but no our so called law enforcers think that it's ok to come into your home,( with his muddy boots on I may add) make a sandwich and watch a little TV, go through your freezers when your not home. Then when you walk in and catch him, he tells you that he has the right to check your house anytime he wants to for deer meat or anything else that he might consider you have. Then when you do have a problem with trespassing or poaching and you call him, he tells you he doesn't have time to handle that sort of thing to just live with it, it happens all the time. But he does have time to harass the local kids, when we have our local fishing derby, and has the addassity to tell the kids that they can't sell turtltes that they have caught out of thier own ponds (who promtly get put back after the festivities) because they belong to the state and then take their money. He also found time to be caught up in domestic violence suits and the state has backed him through all this. I don't think that any of you would like this man in your community let alone your game warden!! Plus he controlls the biggest county in the State of South Dakota! You don't think that pisses people off?? Further more the lockout in the western part of the state has many views. Some people are just sick off all the hunters who think they come and go as they please and we've supposed to cater to them. They don't shut gates, they don't obey boundaries, they cut wires, turn off water tanks, gut animals and leave the heaps along side the roads just to name a few things. And what does the land owner gain from this?? Nothing, nada, zip, zilch ZERO!! Game fish and parks gets all the profit and we get stuck holding the bill. Now don't get me wrong not all hunters are like this, but like everything else it only takes a few bad apples to spoil the bunch, but you have to make a stand somewhere. Some people have locked their land out totally, no hunting period. Some people have just locked out out of town people or passer-bys that would have been allowed to hunt before but now they are just letting in old friends or people they know will obey the hunting laws. Their are some that don't take in anything but pay hunters who they guide and stay with through the whole hunt so they know what their hunters are doing. Then thier are those who will only hunt their private property themselves ( such is the case with most preditor hunting and a big share of this comes into effect during the coyote calling contest. Most of the teams registed are landowners who are hunting on thier own property or surrounding property) and then last there are the people who just don't care what goes on, on thier land, the neighbors, or state land. I hope this helped clarrify why our panties are in a bunch. We're not looking for any kind of special treatment we'd just like a little common curtisy from the game, fish and parks and from the hunters who use our land! Is that so much to ask??
In response to your question about why our game fish and parks people are on our hit list. It's bad enough that the state seems to think that every living creature that graces our fine earth belongs to them and that they should reep all the profits off of what we have to put up with and feed all year, that they have to hire men that will abuse the priviliges given to them through their job. It would tickle me pink if all our game, fish and park people did was harass the poachers and people who don't obey hunting laws, but no our so called law enforcers think that it's ok to come into your home,( with his muddy boots on I may add) make a sandwich and watch a little TV, go through your freezers when your not home. Then when you walk in and catch him, he tells you that he has the right to check your house anytime he wants to for deer meat or anything else that he might consider you have. Then when you do have a problem with trespassing or poaching and you call him, he tells you he doesn't have time to handle that sort of thing to just live with it, it happens all the time. But he does have time to harass the local kids, when we have our local fishing derby, and has the addassity to tell the kids that they can't sell turtltes that they have caught out of thier own ponds (who promtly get put back after the festivities) because they belong to the state and then take their money. He also found time to be caught up in domestic violence suits and the state has backed him through all this. I don't think that any of you would like this man in your community let alone your game warden!! Plus he controlls the biggest county in the State of South Dakota! You don't think that pisses people off?? Further more the lockout in the western part of the state has many views. Some people are just sick off all the hunters who think they come and go as they please and we've supposed to cater to them. They don't shut gates, they don't obey boundaries, they cut wires, turn off water tanks, gut animals and leave the heaps along side the roads just to name a few things. And what does the land owner gain from this?? Nothing, nada, zip, zilch ZERO!! Game fish and parks gets all the profit and we get stuck holding the bill. Now don't get me wrong not all hunters are like this, but like everything else it only takes a few bad apples to spoil the bunch, but you have to make a stand somewhere. Some people have locked their land out totally, no hunting period. Some people have just locked out out of town people or passer-bys that would have been allowed to hunt before but now they are just letting in old friends or people they know will obey the hunting laws. Their are some that don't take in anything but pay hunters who they guide and stay with through the whole hunt so they know what their hunters are doing. Then thier are those who will only hunt their private property themselves ( such is the case with most preditor hunting and a big share of this comes into effect during the coyote calling contest. Most of the teams registed are landowners who are hunting on thier own property or surrounding property) and then last there are the people who just don't care what goes on, on thier land, the neighbors, or state land. I hope this helped clarrify why our panties are in a bunch. We're not looking for any kind of special treatment we'd just like a little common curtisy from the game, fish and parks and from the hunters who use our land! Is that so much to ask??
Jinglebob
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Well stated!
I can see where you folk's are coming from. Here if it has a fence around it or crop residue it's off limits wheather it is posted or not any other land needs posted sign's if you have trouble with tresspassers they will prosecute.My brother goes hunting in N.D. and at the time they could hunt anyplace to me if it's private land it should be just that.
Maybe you need to take your case to the supreme court.
Year's ago there was a warden up on the Reservation kept harrassing the Native's one night he got a 2# walleye shoved up his a$$ head first so when they would pull the dorsel fin would catch on the exit.Had to get Dr.s to remove it guess that cured his problem.Maybe he work's in S.D now..
Maybe you need to take your case to the supreme court.
Year's ago there was a warden up on the Reservation kept harrassing the Native's one night he got a 2# walleye shoved up his a$$ head first so when they would pull the dorsel fin would catch on the exit.Had to get Dr.s to remove it guess that cured his problem.Maybe he work's in S.D now..
Liberty Belle
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Kato, if our conservation officers were conducting business like what you have listed here, there would have been no lockout because there would have been no need to protect ourselves from them.
foreman gave a pretty good overview of some of the problems landowners have with GF&P. By locking our land to hunters we not only avoid abuse from GF&P but we also don't need to put up with slob hunters when there is absolutely nothing in the deal for landowners anyway.
Southdakotahunter's post gives you a good idea of the attitude emanating from both GF&P and the slob hunters. Can you see why we don't miss either one of them?
