~SH~ said:bse - tester,
Why would you make your testing offer to USDA at "ranchers.net" instead of directly to USDA????
If you don't even have the common sense to approach USDA directly with your proposal as opposed to gathering a support group of USDA critics at this website, how can anyone put much stock in any of your motives?
If you want to make a proposal to USDA, i'd suggest you make it to USDA instead of a bunch of USDA critics at a ranchers web site.
You need to justify your urine test to the agency taxed with food safety responsibility in the US. I would love to hear their response to that request. Your bias is selling your test. Their bias is food safety. I'm sure their response would be interesting to say the least.
~SH~
Conman: "Again, SH, your whole post is based on a mistaken assumption. Before your post has any relevance, you must first show that your assumption that bse tester did not approach the USDA.
Do you know this to be a fact or do you always base your posts on mistaken assumptions when they suit your purposes?"
bse tester: "As of today, I am posting, right here on Ranchers.net, an open offering to the USDA and their Canadian counterpart, the CFIA, the opportunity to each use our BSE Urine Test for a period of one (1) year each or one (1) million tests each, whichever comes first, completely free, wherein they each can conduct BSE tests within their National Herds. Call it, if you will, "Pilot Projects," so that they can do it without having to worry about validation. We shall be well into our validation process anyway."
Conman: "You may ask bse tester a simple question to remedy your self induced confusion."
~SH~ said:DIVERSION!
As always!
~SH~
fedup2 said:Once again we have to wade through Sh!tHead's garbage because he is to stupid to understand what is posted. Sh!tHead writes [Again Conman, your whole post is based on a mistaken assumption. You assume that bse - tester did approach USDA. I find nothing in bse-testers post to suggest that USDA was ever approached with this same proposal.]
Try reading all the posts and following along Sh!tHead!
Quote:
[Don't hide your light under a bushel Ron, You had better make a written offer right to the CFIA and USDA cause as much as we like to think everything we post here is taken a gospel and read buy everyone I don't think that is the case.]
Bse-tester [Heck, we did that already you guys. This is just the third or fourth reminder - I figured this might get noticed on here!!! Ron.]
Did you get that Sh!thead? ["we did that already"] What part of that statement are you to stupid to understand?
Fedup: "Did you get that Sh!thead? ["we did that already"] What part of that statement are you to stupid to understand?"
Quote to Ron: "Don't hide your light under a bushel Ron, You had better make a written offer right to the CFIA and USDA cause as much as we like to think everything we post here is taken a gospel and read buy everyone I don't think that is the case."
Bse-tester (in response): "Heck, we did that already you guys. This is just the third or fourth reminder - I figured this might get noticed on here!!! Ron."
Fedup to me in regards to the above quote: "He said he did send the proposal directly to the USDA! Man!"
~SH~ (previous): "I find nothing in bse-testers post to suggest that USDA was ever approached with this same proposal."
Fedup: "He posted it here also because he was accused on this forum of just trying to make money off the deal!"
Fedup: "This is the third time in your last two visits that you have been dead wrong."
Fedup: "Since you quoted your opinion of what a lie is, with you little disclaimer about 'deliberate attempt to mislead', I have to conclude that you didn't deliberatly lie. "
Fedup: "Boy, I really feel bad Sh!tHead. All this time I thought that your problem was probably irregularity or impotentcy! Now I realize that you are just plain stupid & have the IQ of a houseplant.
Everytime I think you have just written the dumbest post I have ever read, You out-do yourself with a dumber one! You Spin, divert, & outright lie because that is all you know. Geeze, I feel bad for thinking that you were just a plain @sshole! Its not your fault, I can see that now. You are just doing the best you can with what little you have to work with.
My apologies to the rest of the forum for trying to communicate with Sh!tHead the only way he understands & that is to respond in kind. When the worm slithers across this forum, he leaves a slime on everything he touches. I am just plain 'fedup' with him-her-it."
Why would anyone think that anyone from USDA that has anything to do with bse testing would be reading this forum WHEN TO MY KNOWLEDGE WE HAVE NEVER HAD A USDA REPRESENTATIVE AT THIS SITE????
bse tester: "I guess you truly and simply cannot get your head wrapped around the idea that perhaps anyone, including USDA employees, can actually read this board without having to sign on to actually post on it???"
bse tester: "First of all, we, that is, my company and my partners, have not only met with the CFIA in their own labs in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada and presented our test to them, we have offered it to them free of charge to allow them to conduct a survey, in the their own lab, on the own tissue samples known to be BSE infected, in exactly the same format as I have offered it here on this board. They said thanks but no thanks."
bse tester: "I contacted the USDA directly in Ames, Iowa and made them the same offer in March of 2004, again in April 2004 again in October 2004 and recently again in 2005 twice. I talked to many different people there in their BSE surveillance Section. Each one told me that at that time they could not commit to anything, regardless of whether the test offered was offered free or not. They simply said "thanks, but no thanks."
bse tester: "What assistance? I was offering them a chance to enhance their Risk Managment Program!!!"
bse tester: "Also, in early 2004, I wrote a letter, first preceeded by a telephone conversation with the Prime Minister's Office in Ottawa, Canada and officially invited him and the Deputy Prime Minister of Canada, along with the then Agriculture Minister's for Canada and Alberta and also the Alberta Provincial Premier, to attend a a special presentation and display of our test protocol at a Lab here in Edmonton.
We sent out the invitations a full two months prior to the Lab meeting and
it was a full six (6) weeks after the scheduled meeting that I received the responses and not a single one of those invited wanted to attend because, it appeared that they had to go and eat hamburgers in Southern Alberta, to appease a group of angry ranchers there. I am told about 35 or so ranchers actually showed up to listen to their BS!!"
bse tester: "So, SH, if you think that I am hiding something, or do not have the brains that God gave geese when I post this offer on here, consider this fact - when you say that nobody from the USDA reads the postings on this board, mister, you are so completely wrong. I received an e-mail today from someone at the USDA enquiring as to what antibody we are using and they quoted having read my offer on ranchers.net."
bse tester: "Of course, there is absolutely no way that information regarding the antibody will ever be shared with them unless they wish to take us up on our offer."
fedup2 said:bse-tester, first let me say, many of us appreciate the information that you share here. Thank you.
As far as your post to Sh!tHead, I hope you didn't expect a different response from him. You addressed your post to an idiot, and that idiot responded with the same old blah blah blah that he-she-it is known for.
I would like to share a little story with you that has a fitting point.
There was an old man, a boy, and a donkey. They were going to town and it was decided that the boy should ride. As they went along they passed some people who thought that it was a shame for the boy to ride and the old man to walk. The old man and boy decided that maybe the critics were right, so they changed positions.
Later, they passed some more people who thought that it was a real shame for that man to make such a small boy walk. The two decided that maybe they both should walk.
Soon they passed some more people who thought that it was stupid to walk when they had a donkey to ride. The man and the boy decided maybe the critics were right so, they decided that they both should ride. They soon passed other people who thought that it was a shame to put such a load on a poor little animal. The old man and the boy decided that maybe the critics were right, so they decided to carry the donkey.
As they crossed a bridge they lost their grip on the animal and he fell into the river and drowned.
The moral of the story: If you try to please everyone, you will eventually lose your @ss.
Have a nice week & I hope all goes well for you.