Black Herefords
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SMN Herf
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High priced corn by itself won't be the salvation of the Hereford breed. The only thing that will help is for the breeders is to breed the type of cattle the commmercial producers demand. They better be able to do everything the Angus can do or people won't change.
High priced corn is going to change the cattle industry dramaticaly. If corn goes to $6.00 next fall, and COG goes to over $1.00 a pound how much will the 500 llb steers be worth next fall? Everyone will suffer whether you own black or red cattle. Just my .02 worth.
Brian
Soapweed
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Denny said:
Denny, how would that be considered "whining"? I also wonder why the Angus have prevailed for so long. No, I don't really "wonder" come to think of it. :wink:
rainie
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This is a bit off topic, but since we're talking hereford and high corn prices. Has anyone tried an Argentina bred hereford bull called Anhinga Vic S84 K16. Available through Genex. Bought semen on him last year but never got it put in a cow.
RobertMac
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I think the high corn prices are going to change the spread between heavy and light weight calves making grass stockering more profitable. Bottom line, you have to look at your complete system and be willing to make changes.SMN Herf said:
Soapweed said:
Big muddy asked what the hereford guy's have been doing these last years that they have been takeing it in the short's. And being's my neighbor is a diehard Hereford man I can tell you that from my own ears they have been WHINEING. :wink: I would have just bought a black bull and rode the wave yee haw.The hereford has a viable spot in a cross breeding program and in many cases the commercial operation's just not here the salebarn will hook these guy's 10 to 20 cent's on the hereford's vs Black Baldies and that all comes off the profit end of the equation.
SMN Herf
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[/quote]I was wondering what the Hereford breeders that tell us we need to be looking at Hereford for the future have been doing in the past when Black animal have brought premiums.
I have been breeding better Herefords. Eliminate the problems while lowering BW, improving performance and carcass, improving udders, feet and legs, fleshing ability, calf vigor, feed efficiency and any other trait that I can measure.
I think the result is that I have a very good compliment to the Angus cowherds out there
Brian
I have been breeding better Herefords. Eliminate the problems while lowering BW, improving performance and carcass, improving udders, feet and legs, fleshing ability, calf vigor, feed efficiency and any other trait that I can measure.
I think the result is that I have a very good compliment to the Angus cowherds out there
Brian
Northern Rancher
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I'llsnoop around at company meetings for you rainie and see what I can find out about him. I do know who their best Horned Hereford bull is though-hint hint lol.
rainie
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I'd appreciate it NR. I bought semen on your bull too but couldn't use it because I sliced open my cervix holding hand trimming out a crack on a cow's foot.
Hanta Yo
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rainie said:
I think she means her "hand holding cervix". In my case that would be my left hand up the cow's butt. :wink:
kolanuraven
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Where'd my post go??? :???: :???:
I know....but damnation...OUCH!!!!
Our vet did that when I was with her one day....UGLY site for sure.
I know....but damnation...OUCH!!!!
Our vet did that when I was with her one day....UGLY site for sure.
rainie
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Nope, I mean my cervix holding hand. And I am not a she. If I was I'd be the most butt ugly woman you'd ever want to meet.lol 
Mike
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Bet Jigs has held hands with a cervix. :shock:
Hanta Yo
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rainie said:Nope, I mean my cervix holding hand. And I am not a she. If I was I'd be the most butt ugly woman you'd ever want to meet.lol
OOOOOoooooooooooooooops, I'm sorry
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RobertMac said:
I think your right Robert Mac-- those with the genetics to winter cheaply and fatten on grass and/or be grassed and finish out in a short time on the least afterward will be the ones in the highest demand...Herefords could very well fit in there...Especially with the Governments new "energy policy" this could be a long term direction, rather than just another flash in the pan.....
efb
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Most of you agree black hided cattle bring more, some of you don't think that is justified. I'm here to tell you if they are bring more it's justified. Packer buyers get a kill sheet every morning on their purchases . Their jobs depend on their purchases making a certain amout of money. If they are paying more for black cattle you can bet your bottom buck it's only because they are making more money on them. And that trickles down to the feedlot order buyer who is buying your calves.
Northern Rancher
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Rainie next time give me a call-I've made a long drive to salvage an A'I project before.Went all the way to Kamloops to breed 100 cows one day then all the way back lol. Was a tad weary.
SMN Herf
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Yore right to some extent but it is basically pull through demand fromt th consumer level that has put the Angus in the position it is in today. Packer have merely responded to the demand pull by paying more for CAB, but that is changeing. I have sold my straight Heeford steers through the sale barn, part load, and sold within a dollar of my dads blacks of which he had a full load.
ALso Greater Omoha has been bidding a $5 premium over base price for Hereford qualifiers and they don't discount for selects. Demand for CHB is there and is building.
Brian
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SMN Herf said:
Folks, let's look at this thing objectively. The packer gets paid more dollars per pound for Choice cattle than Select, and a few more yet for CAB (which could be considered a grade by itself since it's upper 2/3 Choice) and quite a few more for Prime. It's as simple as that. The actual premium for the higher grades varies a little depending on how cattle are grading at different times of the year and seasonal demand from the consumer. In 2006 the Choice price averaged about $14/cwt. over Select. In 2007 it wasn't quite that good and averaged right at $9/cwt. over Select. Prime was close to $20. I'd say the packer buyers know which type of cattle make them money. Decide for yourself whether or not you think this is a justified system.
To say that the pull-through demand for cattle with marbling and the CAB kind, etcetera, is changing, well I'm not smart enough to see the signals that indicate it. Yes, indeed, Greater Omaha and National Beef are going to be out there paying good money for nice Hereford and baldy cattle to fulfill their demand for CHB. No doubt about it, and that's really great for the Hereford breeders. Right on and way to go. There's room on the bus for more than just one breed.
cowsense
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rainie said:
Rainie.........sorry but your bull is American........ :lol: .He's been used some up here but I haven't seen any progeny.