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Overhauling health-care system tops agenda at annual meeting of Canada's doctors
By Jennifer Graham (CP) – 2 days ago

SASKATOON — The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop a plan to cure it.

Dr. Anne Doig says patients are getting less than optimal care and she adds that physicians from across the country - who will gather in Saskatoon on Sunday for their annual meeting - recognize that changes must be made.

"We all agree that the system is imploding, we all agree that things are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize," Doing said in an interview with The Canadian Press.

"We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running flat out, we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day demands."


The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a presentation from Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has said there's a critical need to make Canada's health-care system patient-centred. He will present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January, where he met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands and France.

His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been saying since his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that it's possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal coverage and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."

In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private health-care delivery within the public system.

He has also said the Canadian system could be restructured to focus on patients if hospitals and other health-care institutions received funding based on the patients they treat, instead of an annual, lump-sum budget. This "activity-based funding" would be an incentive to provide more efficient care, he has said.

Doig says she doesn't know what a proposed "blueprint" toward patient-centred care might look like when the meeting wraps up Wednesday. She'd like to emerge with clear directions about where the association should focus efforts to direct change over the next few years. She also wants to see short-term, medium-term and long-term goals laid out.

"A short-term achievable goal would be to accelerate the process of getting electronic medical records into physicians' offices," she said. "That's one I think ought to be a priority and ought to be achievable."

A long-term goal would be getting health systems "talking to each other," so information can be quickly shared to help patients.

Doig, who has had a full-time family practice in Saskatoon for 30 years, acknowledges that when physicians have talked about changing the health-care system in the past, they've been accused of wanting an American-style structure. She insists that's not the case.

"It's not about choosing between an American system or a Canadian system," said Doig. "The whole thing is about looking at what other people do."

"That's called looking at the evidence, looking at how care is delivered and how care is paid for all around us (and) then saying 'Well, OK, that's good information. How do we make all of that work in the Canadian context? What do the Canadian people want?' "

Doig says there are some "very good things" about Canada's health-care system, but she points out that many people have stories about times when things didn't go well for them or their family.

"(Canadians) have to understand that the system that we have right now - if it keeps on going without change - is not sustainable," said Doig.


"They have to look at the evidence that's being presented and will be presented at (the meeting) and realize what Canada's doctors are trying to tell you, that you can get better care than what you're getting and we all have to participate in the discussion around how do we do that and of course how do we pay for it."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jbjzPEY0Y3bvRD335rGu_Z3KXoQw
 
Thank you Aplusmnt this just put the smile back on my face.


"They have to look at the evidence that's being presented and will be presented at (the meeting) and realize what Canada's doctors are trying to tell you, that you can get better care than what you're getting and we all have to participate in the discussion around how do we do that and of course how do we pay for it."


But But some on here told me to get the Hell out of Canada if I didn't like the system. :cry: Are these same people going to tell the Doctors of the CMA to get the HELL OUT TOO. :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
The emergency room at our hospital has a large sign on the wall that sets out the priorities in treatment. Those who have problems that can be dealt with at a doctors office are sent to the doctor's office. Those that need treatment at the hospital are treated in order of the severity of their problems. In other words if you walk in with a sore finger, you better be ready to wait, unless no one else is there that is more serious. They will get to you when they can, but it won't be at the expense of someone in serious condition. We don't have a doctor in the hospital all the time, as it's a small one, and the doctors are on call, so if you're there with something really trivial, you may have to wait until there are enough patients collected up to make it worthwhile for the doctors to come in.

This cuts the trivial emergency room visits down to next to nothing. That being said, if someone who can be better treated at the doctor's office shows up during office hours, the doctors are really good about making room for them to be seen right away. Most people will phone the hospital and talk to a nurse before going to the hospital to make sure of which way they should go.

It works here.
 
Mrs.Greg said:
But in reality,I actually SEE whats going on from the inside. .

I would think the President of the Canadian Medical Association Dr. Anne Doig also sees what is going on from the inside? :?

And to repeat what she is saying!

"We all agree that the system is imploding, we all agree that things are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize," Doing said in an interview with The Canadian Press.

"We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running flat out, we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day demands."

"(Canadians) have to understand that the system that we have right now - if it keeps on going without change - is not sustainable," said Doig.
 
Mrs.Greg said:
Aplus...I live this daily at work. We are in the process of revamping our system. Not because like Tam likes to laugh about our health care being so bad she has to go home too mommy for her care but because as I HAVE said there's a lot of abuse of the system out there. I noticed a thread about grammas scooter. Gramma should be buying her own scooter instead of getting Aids to daily living to supply it{funded by health care.} same goes for pads,walkers,toilet seats,bath seats.....

My son ended up in Emerg last week,had to wait 5 hrs to see a Dr. WHY because people think hangnails are as important as extreme pain...that's abuse. Alta has a hotline that "supposed' to be called BEFORE one goes into emger....rarely happens. User fees need to be implemented.....

Now I know this is my opinon.....not like Tam finding the doom & gloom threads that really give her the Big O..... :D But in reality,I actually SEE whats going on from the inside. I'm liking our new health adviser...I believe hes going to do Canada a world of good...

I'm not laughing at our health system I'm laughing at you Mrs Greg because the article is saying what I have been saying for months and you have been DENYING :lol:

Quotes brought to you by Mrs Greg.
NO Tam you won't listen to facts. Our system isn't perfect but its nowhere near as bad as the negative posts you keep making.You don't seem to understand for every complaining post you make there's tons out there that are good.Unfortunatly rarely do people report the good.
BUT BUT the CMA says "We all agree that the system is imploding, we all agree that things are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize," so who isn't looking at the facts Mrs Greg. :wink: In the Doctors words "the system is imploding" and you claim I bring all the gloom and doom :shock:

NN....you and I are just wasting our breath,I noticed Silvers not too happy with the complaining about Canadas healthcare either but guess us livin here and receiving care have NO clue just ask the transplanted American gal..... I've told the story about my daughter in law,having 5 MRI's this yr...the first one hrs after she was admitted to the hospital,another after her 10 day stay,the others watching a spot on her brain....But Tam says...blah blah happens and the neo-con Americans all believe her instead of me....WHO works our healthcare system,who's had 3 family members with cancer in the last five yrs....who's niece and nephew has had lengthy stays in the Stollery childrens hospital in Edmonton....who has 2 little nephews who require alot of hospital care because of their CP....who's nephew gives his fiance DAILY shots for for MS.... who's new grandaughter was in hospital for 10 days after her birth because of breathing problam's,who's niece received a skin graft the day after a bad burn happened to her paralyzed leg.....yup I know NOTHING at all about our healthcare system..... Just ignore them NN....they don't want to listen to the truth and facts
And the CMA says patients are getting less than optimal care But hey the transplant couldn't possably know more than a Born and bred Canadian could I Mrs. Greg. :wink:

I agree with you nn,I too am sick and tired of the bitching about our healthcare. Our family has way too many people in the healthcare system in the last five yrs,cancer,accidents,3 little guys with CP issues,the list goes on and on.....my oldest grandson's mommy has had 4 MRI's in the last st yr,our family has been treated absolutley awesome,not one time has any one of the of these people waited for any treatment,not one. Not all care is like that I understand that,and it looks like different strokes for different provinces but lumping a sytstem all into one is total Bullshite. I'm more then pleased with the care my family has gottin that thats the most important thing to me. but your right NN,the ones bitching sure don't have a problam using it when they need it...
And the CMA says this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop a plan to cure it. Notice how the CMA top doc didn't say Sask Health Care is sick she said the COUNTRY'S health care is sick. Are you mad the doc is lumping you beloved Alberta in with the whole rest of the broken system? :cry: And I'm glad you are pleased with your care But you are not the only one living in Canada and according to the top doc "patients are getting less than optimal care" Oh by the way can these doctor that say there is a BIG PROBLEM use the system Mrs. Greg? :?

Your right you have no idea,really neither does Tam. I work the system,pretty pathetic when people who know nothing about it does the most biatching about it.
and the CMA says "We all agree that the system is imploding, we all agree that things are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize," Not all Canadians :wink: but Where do you work Mrs Greg that you didn't realize what these doctors realized? :wink:

My issue with you is your "just' putting down the system not admitting there IS good in our system.............I'm proud of my healthcare system.....damn proud of it,its not perfect but its far from horrific[/b]!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
First of all I will repeat myself AGAIN there are good parts to the system so it's not horrific but When you have the CMA saying patients are getting less than optimal care and that "the system is imploding" I think you may be one of the Canadians that have yet to realize just how precarious things are. But hey you would know more than the transplanted American or the Doctors of the CMA wouldn't you? :roll:

Now for you lastest comments
.....because when you totally put down a system you put down the good stuff too.
AGAIN THERE ARE GOOD PARTS :roll: BUT when the CMA says
patients are getting less than optimal care
"this country's health-care system is sick"
We all agree that the system is imploding
things are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize,"
and
we all have to participate in the discussion
I choose to believe them and discuss the issues over believing you and your rose colored glasses opinions.

BTW you never debate you bring nothing but your opinion and when somebody brings facts you claim you will not debate as they couldn't possibably know as much as you.

I cannot understand how some will hang on your words about our healthcare system yet not listen to a frontline worker......
Let's see maybe it's because they are not my words, they are the words of the CMA, Supreme Court, the Government of Canada and not to forget media reports of patients that have experienced problems. If they don't believe me all they have to do is google it to see for themselves. AND You bring your opinions, Try this, bring something besides your personal opinion. You know something that can be googled for verification like the CMA saying the Canadian Health Care system is the greatest system in the world and is not imploding, or maybe a Supreme Court ruling that says Canadians have access to great health care on demand and there is no need for a private sector health care system. Or maybe a story that says that the Canadian government is running a surplus on the budget as they are not pouring billions into the health care system to FIX IT. NO wait let's see a story where All Canadians are getting treatment in Canada on demand and nobody feels they need to go to the US for lifesaving treatment. Can you do that Mrs Greg?
 
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Mrs.Greg erased her post and is waving bye again like a 10 year old.

Seriously this conversation was not uncivil, she ran because it brought facts to her opinion and now she took her ball and went home! If threads like this are what makes her claim she is leaving Ranchers, then I just lost any respect I had for her. In other words she is willing to talk politics about the U.S. but has no backbone to discuss facts about Canadian politics!

:roll:
 
aplusmnt said:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Mrs.Greg erased her post and is waving bye again like a 10 year old.

Seriously this conversation was not uncivil, she ran because it brought facts to her opinion and now she took her ball and went home! If threads like this are what makes her claim she is leaving Ranchers, then I just lost any respect I had for her. In other words she is willing to talk politics about the U.S. but has no backbone to discuss facts about Canadian politics!

:roll:

Gee and here the Top Doc of Canada said we were to all participate in the discussion. :cry: OH well I guess that doesn't go for our resident frontline worker :wink:

SO :tiphat: right back at you Mrs. Greg. where ever you are hiding.
 
Now not to start a fight with you Tam, I'm just curious about something.
I had a friend from Canada that had her first daughter up there.
Why would a hospital send a woman in labor home 3 times?
that is what the hospital did with her.
 
Mike said:
Tam must have busted more than her chops.......?

Oh I expect she will be back in about two to three weeks give or take a month or so, as that is how long the waiting lines are in Alberta to see a doctor to bandage the booboo on her ego. :roll: No wait she is not like the over 100,000 Canadians that have to sit on a waiting list, she is one of the lucky ones that has never ever had to sit on a waiting list isn't she. She'll be back after a few glasses of wine, all primed and ready to dodge the debate with insults. :wink:
 
Tam said:
Mike said:
Tam must have busted more than her chops.......?

Oh I expect she will be back in about two to three weeks give or take a month or so, as that is how long the waiting lines are in Alberta to see a doctor to bandage the booboo on her ego. :roll: No wait she is not like the over 100,000 Canadians that have to sit on a waiting list, she is one of the lucky ones that has never ever had to sit on a waiting list isn't she. She'll be back after a few glasses of wine, all primed and ready to dodge the debate with insults. :wink:

Big Muddy rancher said:
I think you need an Orgasm reader. Is that being consistently civil?

Do you and Big Muddy sit around all day telling each other how great you are-- and how much Holier than Thou you are above everyone else :???:

I hope you didn't leave too big a yellow puddle on the floor as you jumped up and down shouting "Looky - I Won, I Won, I Won Big Muddy- I ran off another evil person that had the gall to disagree with us"...
 
Where did anyone run off to? She was here just yesterday.

and she follows the discussion, how do you think Reader got ahold of here to ask her about gerbils?
 
Mrs. Greg..
User fees need to be implemented.....

we call that a cost share or co-pay.. and a deductible ... without it many will take advantage of the system.. and it is one of the main complaints the Obama administration and liberals have about how insurance companies cut costs..

welcome back and welcome to our way of thinking on this issue..
 
Well at the risk of raising the ire of the bashers I've not had a bit of trouble with our health care system. Coaching hockey and packing cowboys I've seen my share of hospitals in more than one province. My mother-in-law and sister-in-law are nurses and Megan works in the hospital lab-sure don't hear a tenth of the peeing and moaning that goes on here. I can't really comment on the U'S system because I can't judge it from newspaper articles and TV interviews-that seems to be the basis most judge Canada's by. I do know one thing we are fortunate to live in either country because 90 percent of the world is in a heck of alot worse shape. The Chris Ledoux song 'Five Dollar Fine For Whining' comes to mind whenever I make a brief visit to PB.
 
Northern Rancher said:
Well at the risk of raising the ire of the bashers I've not had a bit of trouble with our health care system. Coaching hockey and packing cowboys I've seen my share of hospitals in more than one province. My mother-in-law and sister-in-law are nurses and Megan works in the hospital lab-sure don't hear a tenth of the peeing and moaning that goes on here. I can't really comment on the U'S system because I can't judge it from newspaper articles and TV interviews-that seems to be the basis most judge Canada's by. I do know one thing we are fortunate to live in either country because 90 percent of the world is in a heck of alot worse shape. The Chris Ledoux song 'Five Dollar Fine For Whining' comes to mind whenever I make a brief visit to PB.

It's regional, it seems. Isn't a "universal" system supposed to be the same for everyone?

Quebec seems to be in the worst shape.
 
I Luv Herfrds said:
Now not to start a fight with you Tam, I'm just curious about something.
I had a friend from Canada that had her first daughter up there.
Why would a hospital send a woman in labor home 3 times?
that is what the hospital did with her.



No fight with you and If I had to guess it might have been lack of bed space which is very common in Hospitals that have to cover a very large area and the government feels the need to cut cost by closing beds down instead of hiring more doctors and nurses. The doctor (bless his kind soul) might have felt she would be more comfortable at home as to sitting in a waitingroom while in labor. I hope she lived close by and everything worked out that she was able to get back in time.
 
Northern Rancher said:
Well at the risk of raising the ire of the bashers I've not had a bit of trouble with our health care system. Coaching hockey and packing cowboys I've seen my share of hospitals in more than one province. My mother-in-law and sister-in-law are nurses and Megan works in the hospital lab-sure don't hear a tenth of the peeing and moaning that goes on here. I can't really comment on the U'S system because I can't judge it from newspaper articles and TV interviews-that seems to be the basis most judge Canada's by. I do know one thing we are fortunate to live in either country because 90 percent of the world is in a heck of alot worse shape. The Chris Ledoux song 'Five Dollar Fine For Whining' comes to mind whenever I make a brief visit to PB.

I've used the VA for years now and find the care excellent, yet many say it is awful..??? Just because I am correct on my assumption and opinion,.. doesn't make them wrong on theirs..

I think the problem with discussing the health care issue is many take them personally because health care is personnel.. instead of looking at facts and trying to find a better solution to the problems..

our government constantly wants "comprehensive overhauls" instead of fixing the problems... we don't need to swap out the engine because we have a flat tire...
 

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