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COOL and Canadian isoweans

busboy said:
Again, it's not the packers where the problem lies....read my posts. It's the retailer. Did your retail hydraulic pump customers have to keep track and label the pump according to which truck load of iron each piece was made of? Think a little ways beyond the packers whom you so obviously hate.
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If the retailer isn't able to read the label on a box and then affix a like label on a smaller package ( a skill taught on Sesame Street), they can specify the country of origin when they order their beef so they only have one country's product in their store. This isn't rocket science.
 
Sandhusker said:
busboy said:
Did the beef headed for Korea have to go thru' the packer, wholesaler, processor and retailer systems here before it shipped to Korea???? Silly me, I thought they probably sent pretty big chunks over there, mostly direct from the packers.
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How hard is it to process Canadian cattle on Fridays? How hard is it to copy a label? Good grief. I used to work in a hydraulic pump manufacturing plant where on any given day, we kicked out 50 different model of pumps painted 3 different colors, for 100 different customers with no problems - and the packers claim that it is too difficult for them to keep only 3 or so variations separate? That's a steaming crock.
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On Fridays Only? When I am at the checkout counter in the grocery store, they have a little wand you can put between your groceries and the guy or gal ahead of you. Retailers are very efficient with separating things when their business depends on it.

Busboy a lot of meat comes in the same box labeled with the source already. They just need to add the details and send them down the line.

All of the arguments you make really make you sound like mrj. Suppliers need to stop creating problems and start solving them. If they can't, they need to get out of the food business.

The hog market in Iowa was concentrated without the help of COOL but I bet the farmers in Iowa would have welcomed a label that state to the consumer that the hogs came from an independent family farm.

It might have saved a few of them too.

Retailers always want to buy commodities at commodity prices and sell branded products at higher prices. It is about time the suppliers got a cut.
 
Most of the cattle imported from Mexico are 400lb calves, they are pastured on US ranches, fed in US feedlots using US commodities, killed in US Packing plants.

You want to give wetbacks SS, education, medical care,, all at our expense, but require these cattle to be fed, killed, and marketed separately??

Get real,, imported meat is a heck of a lot different than imported cattle!!!

Import meat and 100% of our dollar leaves the country.
Import calves and 80% of our dollar stays here.

All imported meat should be labeled as such, but when it's pastured, fed, and killed here, it should be given amnesty,,
 
Jessntx said:
Most of the cattle imported from Mexico are 400lb calves, they are pastured on US ranches, fed in US feedlots using US commodities, killed in US Packing plants.

You want to give wetbacks SS, education, medical care,, all at our expense, but require these cattle to be fed, killed, and marketed separately??

Get real,, imported meat is a heck of a lot different than imported cattle!!!

Import meat and 100% of our dollar leaves the country.
Import calves and 80% of our dollar stays here.

All imported meat should be labeled as such, but when it's pastured, fed, and killed here, it should be given amnesty,,
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I hope that was not directed towards me because I don't want the things you suggest. What I want would be much more effective but harder in the long run.

I agree all imported meats should be labeled as such but I also think the other should happen also.

Porker has a system of tracking cattle and if it is imported, it should be used (or other adequate tracking) and claims it is pretty cheap.
 
If the retailer isn't able to read the label on a box and then affix a like label on a smaller package ( a skill taught on Sesame Street), they can specify the country of origin when they order their beef so they only have one country's product in their store. This isn't rocket science.[/quote]

How much experience do you have in the food industry....from packers thru' the system to the retail case?? Trust me, it's not as simple as you make it. Again, answer the questions: who pays for it? Did your hydraulic retail customers have to keep track of the loads and sources of steel or chrome or bolts or o-rings?

ISO standards for the meat industry exist, going beyond that to fully integrate those same ideas towards COOL would be like running ISO in reverse. Doable, but not cheap or easy.
 
By law, meat coming out of a processing plant has to have a label...either a USDA inspected label, a state inspected label, or a "Not for Resale" label. To be sold to the public, it must have one of the first two. There is certain information, required by law, that has to be on the label. COOL will require country of origin to be part of the information on that label.(As was the requirement for my label) That label and the information on it goes with the meat to the store. Repackaging meat at a retail store is almost none existent and is regulated when it is. The only real world issue of segregation is at the processing plant.

Processing plants segregate and label separately meat every day of the week for all the branded beef programs that are sold in retail stores through out the country. Somebody is feeding producers a bunch of hooey...I wonder who????
 
Repackaging meat at a retail store is almost none existent and is regulated when it is. The only real world issue of segregation is at the processing plant.

Wrong! Check out some of the major food retailers! Check and see what is actually being shipped out of a slaughter plant. Not all slaughter plants do much processing![/i]
 
busboy said:
Repackaging meat at a retail store is almost none existent and is regulated when it is. The only real world issue of segregation is at the processing plant.

Wrong! Check out some of the major food retailers! Check and see what is actually being shipped out of a slaughter plant. Not all slaughter plants do much processing![/i]
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Last time I checked out Wal-Mart, most all their meat way cryowrapped by Tyson.
 
Porker has a system of tracking cattle and if it is imported, it should be used (or other adequate tracking) and claims it is pretty cheap. Thanks Tex!

As a Rep I sell www.ScoringAg.com packingplant records.
https://www.scoringag.com/scoringag/3/Public/docs/packingplant_solution_model.pdf
 
Like I've said, it's possible at the plant, but the number of actions to keep track of this as the product moves thru' the system becomes quite unwieldly. One plant I deal with would print well over 100,000 barcodes per day with this system. That is before it's sliced and diced to make retail portion further down the line, and depending on package sizes at different retailers, make it a simple 1/2 million barcodes per day for 1 plant's production No chance of error there, is there? I'm sure there is no cost for that either, is there?

I love the part about reading the animal's eartag, and sending the animal to slaughter with the barcode attached. 22,000 hogs thru' the chute per day....I suppose you could ask them to hold it in their mouth as they make their way into the kill room. Tattoos work quite well, but even those get lost/hard to read, and they aren't applied to every part of the animal.

Instead of assembling parts to make a hydraulic motor, and affixing a label onto it, let's take motors from different sources, all looking the same, take them all apart, cut the pieces into different pieces, package different parts and pieces of parts from different motors, send it to a warehouse, mix it with other packages from plants that do the same thing, repackage the parts, send it to a store, repackage different parts from different packages and be able to tell exactly which motor any of the specific parts came from. You're right, I'm sure I learned how to do that on Sesame Street!
 
Mr. Kanitz would know ,they work in other countrys with overseas buyers to get data to the consumer as required by the respective governments.
 
Busboy quote, Like I've said, it's possible at the plant, but the number of actions to keep track of this as the product moves thru' the system becomes quite unwieldly. One plant I deal with would print well over 100,000 barcodes per day with this system. That is before it's sliced and diced to make retail portion further down the line, and depending on package sizes at different retailers, make it a simple 1/2 million barcodes per day for 1 plant's production No chance of error there, is there? I'm sure there is no cost for that either, is there?

Call Mr. Kanitz as they can run case ready products if the plant is setup right.
 
Jessntx, welcome to bull session! :D :D :D

You've said much what I've said so many many many times in the past. I guess anyone who isn't involved in the process of making a living by doing the growing and feeding of imported livestock in your country just doesn't see the benefits. There is a lot of value added to imported feeders, and it generates a lot of money in your country. Some would throw that away just because it doesn't personally apply to them. It's more important to not see any Canadian livestock trucks on the highway.

If we had a functioning market in this country, and had real competitive bidding on our livestock MCOOL would be a huge benefit to us because we could make the money raising them here instead of sending them off to you guys. But since we are under the thumbs of the same packers as you, there is no one to keep them honest, and we get no benefit at all.

So everyone loses, except some high priced lobbyists who feel the need to justify their existence. :roll: :roll: :roll:
 
Thanks KATO,,,
I'm from West Texas, and our ranches quality are very diverse. We have many good cow ranches, and also many that are better yearling ranches than cow ranches. Also with the frequent droughts, many owners chose to stock their cows for a dry year, and harvest any surplus grass with yearlings. For decades, the best supply of light calves was Mexico. As the annual importation only amounted to about 3% of the national consumption (on a hd basis) and they were pastured for a season and then fed here, the program was a plus for the USA. In addition to that, Mexico is one of our biggest buyers of US beef. Canada and Mexico have been our pardners in many ways for ever,,, what's good for one, is good for both.

I am seeing opposition to the cool program from everyone involved in the feeding and marketing of beef,, most of those supporting cool are either thinking it will boost native cattle prices, or are just uninformed on how it's gonna work. I think it's just like the stock market,,,, outta my control.

I am really enjoying being able to have a civil discussion on this site,,, we all need to understand what the other guy is thinking,, and why.
 
Jessntx, right out your back door is Nolan Ryan Tender Aged Beef branded beef program. Their product in handled two days a week at a local processor and everything that goes through that plant is put in their package with their label on it. The problem is, as Kato pointed out...
But since we are under the thumbs of the same packers as you, there is no one to keep them honest, and we get no benefit at all.
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With more processor like the one doing NRTAB, the infrastructure can quickly and easily be setup to process Mexican(or Canadian) calves with little or no added burden to producers...just like NRTAB calves are kept separate.
The restriction and burden comes from the big packers that don't want to have to identify where the beef they sell comes from...and, as Ben said, it will soon be from South America. Will COOL prevent this? No, but the consumer might...if they are given the information!!!

Welcome to the site!!! :)
 
Robert are you referring to cattle slaughtered in the US, or cattle slaughtered outside the US?

I think everyone wants imported beef to be labeled and marketed as such,,,,,

Thanks,,
 
Jessntx said:
Robert are you referring to cattle slaughtered in the US, or cattle slaughtered outside the US?

I think everyone wants imported beef to be labeled and marketed as such,,,,,

Thanks,,
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Since the cattle in some foreign countries are raised under differing conditions-- EPA rules and enforcement- health and medication/vaccination rules and procedures and enforcement-- all cattle --and beef from cattle not born, raised, and slaughtered in the US should be labeled as to which country they originated from...

Like Secretary Vilsack- and the Ag Committee has said--Only cattle born, raised, and slaughtered in the US should be able to carry the exclusive label of PRODUCT OF THE USA....
 
Jessntx said:
Robert are you referring to cattle slaughtered in the US, or cattle slaughtered outside the US?

I think everyone wants imported beef to be labeled and marketed as such,,,,,

Thanks,,
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I'm talking about the cattle you were...Mexican calves pastured, finished, and processed in USA...just put an honest label on the meat.
The problem isn't doing it...the problem is doing at 6000 head/day mixed with USA cattle.
 

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