Faster horses
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"Green on Green makes broken bones."
-Pat Parelli
-Pat Parelli
Do you get calls like this?
- Thread starter RoperAB
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Team1roper
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givem a quarter and sendem to walmart
Team1roper
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givem a quarter and sendem to walmart
EastTexasGal
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L.E. I have to agree on that too..lmao. The worst parent I had about doing such as this(wanting something for nothing), was the richest family in the county. They had that awsome dreamy rig....lol. But, no sense at all. They were the ones that showed up with the young horse for the 9 yr old to train, that hadnt ridden enough to know what whoa meant. What I didnt include in that as well, lmao...they are also the ones that wanted the kid to run barrels before learning how to ride, I had the rule that all the kids had to learn to ride properly first..I did not have whoop and riders in my arena.
Gave him my old mare to ride for awhile, and showed them what they needed. Took me over a year to convince them that a 15 yr old horse was not a lost investment for a kid. The old horse I found for them, would pleasure up a storm, then run a hot barrel pattern, then turn around and you could rope off of her. She had already trained several kids and was just that type of horse that you dream of owning. They bought her and kept her till she was 24 and then passed her down to another kid.
Guess that is another peeve...ones that want to put their kids on horses they are no where close to being ready for. Not only endangering their own kids, but people around them. My ex had got his shoulder torn out, when a parent wanted their sweet little girl to ride this outlaw someone wanted to sell at a barrel race, the horse was the type that would walk on it's hind legss down the alley way....and the kid almost pulled the horse over, being scared. The ex grabbed the horse and held it to the ground while another friend of ours grabbed the kid off.....and after a 10 grand torn rotator cuff, and no ty from the parent, the ex said he would have done it over again..he would never let a kid get hurt.
So when buying and selling that is something I would NEVER do is put a ANYONE on something they could not handle. EVEN if they were willing to pay me a fortune. People coming in from Houston seem to be the worst, they think that they can just buy a horse and ride off. I have been around what we call HORSE TRADERS, the ones that will say a dollar is a dollar no matter the what.
Easty
LOL...geez I get to thinking about all these past stories and starting to make me feel really OLD!!
Gave him my old mare to ride for awhile, and showed them what they needed. Took me over a year to convince them that a 15 yr old horse was not a lost investment for a kid. The old horse I found for them, would pleasure up a storm, then run a hot barrel pattern, then turn around and you could rope off of her. She had already trained several kids and was just that type of horse that you dream of owning. They bought her and kept her till she was 24 and then passed her down to another kid.
Guess that is another peeve...ones that want to put their kids on horses they are no where close to being ready for. Not only endangering their own kids, but people around them. My ex had got his shoulder torn out, when a parent wanted their sweet little girl to ride this outlaw someone wanted to sell at a barrel race, the horse was the type that would walk on it's hind legss down the alley way....and the kid almost pulled the horse over, being scared. The ex grabbed the horse and held it to the ground while another friend of ours grabbed the kid off.....and after a 10 grand torn rotator cuff, and no ty from the parent, the ex said he would have done it over again..he would never let a kid get hurt.
So when buying and selling that is something I would NEVER do is put a ANYONE on something they could not handle. EVEN if they were willing to pay me a fortune. People coming in from Houston seem to be the worst, they think that they can just buy a horse and ride off. I have been around what we call HORSE TRADERS, the ones that will say a dollar is a dollar no matter the what.
Easty
LOL...geez I get to thinking about all these past stories and starting to make me feel really OLD!!
L.E. Stevens
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Well Easty, one thing good about this whole thread is that I now realize that all the dummies aren't east of the big river :lol:
The type I hate is the ones who want a horse because its cool and trendy to have a horse but they wont crack a book, take a lesson or go to a clinic.
They think they can just buy a good horse and the horse will fill in for them.
Also when they get a good horse they dont appreciate the horse.
Parents around here all want their kids to ride. But they think they can just put them on a young horse and the kid and horse will grow up together and learn without any kind of training or instructions.
Also it seems like the worst offenders and the cheapest, most crooked types to deal with are these ones who are driving brand new quad cab, dually pickups pulling $60,000 horse trailers!
They think they can just buy a good horse and the horse will fill in for them.
Also when they get a good horse they dont appreciate the horse.
Parents around here all want their kids to ride. But they think they can just put them on a young horse and the kid and horse will grow up together and learn without any kind of training or instructions.
Also it seems like the worst offenders and the cheapest, most crooked types to deal with are these ones who are driving brand new quad cab, dually pickups pulling $60,000 horse trailers!
This is a little twist to your topic. My brother-in-laws niece got a really nice well bred well broke horse{In the same lines as your rich girl Roper} Girl spoiled brat,very upset,there was somthing wrong with the horse,wouldn't do anthing she wanted.Her dad called Greg,asked him to get the horse in rideable shape for daughter :roll: Three days greg called dad back and told him to come get horse,told dad and daughter NOTHING wrong with horse,maybe spend his money and get someone to teach the girl to ride! Greg REALLY did not want that horse to go back to the girl,it was a really good horse,and going to be ruined!
EastTexasGal
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LMAO....L.E. nope we dang sure have our share in Texas. And, I could say some other states but, I will stop there. 
Easty
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Sad thing is that most trainers will tell you that "tune ups" are a big part of their business. They keep bringing them back until the owner gets feed up and buys a new horse to mess up.
Hey Miss Greg, do you guys have all these mosquitoes? I have never seen anything like this!
As soon as I go in the grass there are just clouds and clouds of them. Even if I choose to suffer it out its hard to get anything done because they annoy the colts so much that they are distracted.
Like there are just clouds of them. In your eyes, up your nose. Poor horses are just covered with them when I take them out.
Not so many in the corrals. Its just when you take them out into the grass and once they get stirred up there is no getting away from them.
Hey Miss Greg, do you guys have all these mosquitoes? I have never seen anything like this!
As soon as I go in the grass there are just clouds and clouds of them. Even if I choose to suffer it out its hard to get anything done because they annoy the colts so much that they are distracted.
Like there are just clouds of them. In your eyes, up your nose. Poor horses are just covered with them when I take them out.
Not so many in the corrals. Its just when you take them out into the grass and once they get stirred up there is no getting away from them.
Oh man Roper them pesky little buggers are BAD...our only saving grace is the heat in the middle of the day,but at night they are just horrid.Just this afternoon we had quite a thunderstorm and a inch of rain in short time...just enough rain to hatch another batch of them babies :? So where in Calgary is Ians concert?I was raised only a block from Macman Sadium and always went there for Canada day Celabrations,miss it but are planning on a day or two at Stampede this year,then to Banff, SIN is guiding trailhorses in Banff
I have people coming to look at a horse at 1pm. Dont know if we can even make it there by 6. Would like to go though because I have never been to one of his concerts. Ian must be pushing 80 years old so I dont think im going to get many more chances to see him. Friend saw him a couple of years ago and said he was kind of gasping for air back then!Mrs.Greg said:
Faster horses
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He's nigh on 80 years old??????????????? :shock:
I'd have never guessed it. NEVER!!
We went to a concert held in Medora a few years back.
He looked about 55 or 60 then. I never thought of him
as being OLD!!!
The concert in Medora was one of the best I've ever been to
of any person. It was a beautiful day and there weren't many
people around. You could sit just about level with the stage.
It was only Ian and a couple of other guys. Lead guitar
and ??? It was so awesome. We went to Roberta Bair theater
in Billings to one and it was good, but didn't hold a candle to
the open-air concert at Medora.
I like many of his songs. They are just a bit different than those
sang by others.
I love it when he sings, "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" and
of course, it isn't even his song really.
As a person, I guess he could be better. We've talked about that
on here before.
Hope you can make it to the concert, Roper.
I'd have never guessed it. NEVER!!
We went to a concert held in Medora a few years back.
He looked about 55 or 60 then. I never thought of him
as being OLD!!!
The concert in Medora was one of the best I've ever been to
of any person. It was a beautiful day and there weren't many
people around. You could sit just about level with the stage.
It was only Ian and a couple of other guys. Lead guitar
and ??? It was so awesome. We went to Roberta Bair theater
in Billings to one and it was good, but didn't hold a candle to
the open-air concert at Medora.
I like many of his songs. They are just a bit different than those
sang by others.
I love it when he sings, "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" and
of course, it isn't even his song really.
As a person, I guess he could be better. We've talked about that
on here before.
Hope you can make it to the concert, Roper.
Brad S
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I sold a nice little yellow sheeted bay gelding head horse to a local townie roper for $2500. Bay was honest and sound and had some speed. The buyer was a USTRCA 4 on the old points system, but he wasn't a horseman or a tight roper. The little bay fit the buyer well enough that they won about $5000 in several little ropings - which is more than he'd ever won.
After a month and a half the little bay started a bad limp on left front. The buyer called and asked what we should do. I said let's vet him and see what we have. the vet took pictures and said a sesmoid injuer (I think it was sesmoid). Anyway the vet said turn him out 6 weeks and get another look - was sure a rest would fix him.
less than a week later I see the bay and his owner at a roping. Bay was on the float. I ask the buyer what was up, and he brazenly sez, "I wanna rope, if I burn him up they make more." I said why don't you buy another horse and keep 2 arround. He thought I was just trying to sell another horse.
Yes, he ruined the bay in another month. Then he called me to guarantee the horse. I was way beyond mad. I told him he wasn't ever going to get another horse from me. So I hear he's on another rope horse making the scene telling everyone what a sorry sob I am. The little bay just fit the guy and they worked well togather. he never since sniffed the success he had with the bay, and that was 10 yers ago.
After a month and a half the little bay started a bad limp on left front. The buyer called and asked what we should do. I said let's vet him and see what we have. the vet took pictures and said a sesmoid injuer (I think it was sesmoid). Anyway the vet said turn him out 6 weeks and get another look - was sure a rest would fix him.
less than a week later I see the bay and his owner at a roping. Bay was on the float. I ask the buyer what was up, and he brazenly sez, "I wanna rope, if I burn him up they make more." I said why don't you buy another horse and keep 2 arround. He thought I was just trying to sell another horse.
Yes, he ruined the bay in another month. Then he called me to guarantee the horse. I was way beyond mad. I told him he wasn't ever going to get another horse from me. So I hear he's on another rope horse making the scene telling everyone what a sorry sob I am. The little bay just fit the guy and they worked well togather. he never since sniffed the success he had with the bay, and that was 10 yers ago.
Faster horses
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I absolutely hate those kind of stories. Horses are just victims of
who owns them.
We have good friends who are team ropers, and Mr. FH and our
daughter team rope (or used to, in the case of Mr. FH). I have
announced team ropings and some USTRC Team Ropings also.
I can tell you that some of the guys who team rope would use
a motorcycle if they could. They could care less about their
horses. I can't stand those guys.
Poor little bay horse. Gave his heart out and for what?
GRRRRRRR!!
:twisted:
We 'place' horses anymore, we don't SELL them.
who owns them.
We have good friends who are team ropers, and Mr. FH and our
daughter team rope (or used to, in the case of Mr. FH). I have
announced team ropings and some USTRC Team Ropings also.
I can tell you that some of the guys who team rope would use
a motorcycle if they could. They could care less about their
horses. I can't stand those guys.
Poor little bay horse. Gave his heart out and for what?
GRRRRRRR!!
:twisted: We 'place' horses anymore, we don't SELL them.
IL Rancher
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Gosh, I read these and I get nervous about horse searching... I am willing to admit that I know little of horses. I grew up taking care of them for my dad when he was out of town or sick but I was kicked as a child and was very... hesistant for a long time around them so I never rode when until I was 18 or so (Well, aside from when I "rode" with someone when I was 3)... Ever since getting cows and such I have pondered the idea of horses as well. Not to breed but for working the cattle and for moving them from one pasture to another...
So, what is your advice for a neophyte such as myself? I saw RoperAB say something about reading a book, wel heck, I have horse books but are there some in particular that you guys recommend? I have started searching for someone who gives western lessons beyond just pleasure riding and have had some luck, just need to call them.. How long should one ride before making the plunge into buying a horse.. I understand the don't buy a 4 year old but what is the right age for someone without a lot of experience. 8, 12, 16? What? Probably not a magic age as much as the maturity of the horse matching the experience/needs of the rider...
So, tell me, how off base am I in thinking that what I should do is ride for about 4-6 months on a weekly or twice a week basis taking lessons (Which will cost a small fortune but that is okay because it will be money well spent if I can find the right teacher) and than start looking for a horse that will work for me. Than. after getting that horse go to a trainer with him/her for a while longer until I get comfy with the horse? Does this make sense? Eventually we would probably have several horses since there is more than one person here but I figure start out slow so I don't have a bigger wreck than needed...
So, what is your advice for a neophyte such as myself? I saw RoperAB say something about reading a book, wel heck, I have horse books but are there some in particular that you guys recommend? I have started searching for someone who gives western lessons beyond just pleasure riding and have had some luck, just need to call them.. How long should one ride before making the plunge into buying a horse.. I understand the don't buy a 4 year old but what is the right age for someone without a lot of experience. 8, 12, 16? What? Probably not a magic age as much as the maturity of the horse matching the experience/needs of the rider...
So, tell me, how off base am I in thinking that what I should do is ride for about 4-6 months on a weekly or twice a week basis taking lessons (Which will cost a small fortune but that is okay because it will be money well spent if I can find the right teacher) and than start looking for a horse that will work for me. Than. after getting that horse go to a trainer with him/her for a while longer until I get comfy with the horse? Does this make sense? Eventually we would probably have several horses since there is more than one person here but I figure start out slow so I don't have a bigger wreck than needed...
EastTexasGal
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IL..there are always people that want to help. I myself as a 4-H leader allowed adults to ride with us, to learn. And, always loved helping them find the horse that would do well for them. I also charged for riding lessons for many years, but above all I suppose I wanted to make sure that no one would get hurt from just not knowing. I grew up working at so many barns hungry for the education, that it is fulfilling to me to be able to give something back. My dad always said he invested in keeping me off the roads and on a good path. lol, now he regretts the day he introduced me to a horse at the age of arm holding(He use to ride with me in his arms) as I did my kids.
As far as the books, there are so many now. I am not familiar with them. I go to clinics and just do my learning through that mode. You have to be so careful on some of the people on just getting your money, and not being what you are really looking for. I hope that someone on here can show you more. I know they all holler Pat Parelli, but that is more training the horse. You need something to show the beginner how to start, with safety up.
And as a family, 4-H is a great investment. I have heard up in your area there are also riding clubs that do the samething. I cant recall towns or assoc. but, it is different than here. We do not have riding clubs. Just 4-H and Rodeo Assoc.
I see how you would read this thread...I went back and read it, and makes you question. BUT, that is the big thing....be willing to learn and ask QUESTIONS!! admit to being a novice when you meet with horsemen. WE all do not bite, and would rather you say HEY I DONT KNOW..I am looking for a horse to learn on. And, do not think you will find that horse for a song and dance, be willing to pay for the safe type horse. And, you might not find that gorgeous Buckskin, or Palomino...maybe just an OLD BAY that has knots on his legs and floppy ears.
I wish that you were closer, I have a great friend she is like my second mom, and that is what she does. She specilizes in the beginner and horses to fit them. She has been doing this for over 50 yrs now. She has weekend camps during the year for Adults and during the summer she has kids camps that by the time they are done. You will know if that kid really wants to ride or not.
Another thing is one I have no experience using, it is farely new. That is the AQHA site has a link for Novices program. www.aqha.com or this link looks like what I been told about. http://www.aqha.com/association/experience/index.html
Not sure whether other breed associations are doing this or not.
Not sure if this really answers any questions....Just when I read your post I do see why it would make you nervous. We did not mean to disinclude a novice by any means. Just speaking of past experiences we have had.
Hope that this helps you and Wishing you the best of luck finding that instructor that you can benefit from.
Easty
As far as the books, there are so many now. I am not familiar with them. I go to clinics and just do my learning through that mode. You have to be so careful on some of the people on just getting your money, and not being what you are really looking for. I hope that someone on here can show you more. I know they all holler Pat Parelli, but that is more training the horse. You need something to show the beginner how to start, with safety up.
And as a family, 4-H is a great investment. I have heard up in your area there are also riding clubs that do the samething. I cant recall towns or assoc. but, it is different than here. We do not have riding clubs. Just 4-H and Rodeo Assoc.
I see how you would read this thread...I went back and read it, and makes you question. BUT, that is the big thing....be willing to learn and ask QUESTIONS!! admit to being a novice when you meet with horsemen. WE all do not bite, and would rather you say HEY I DONT KNOW..I am looking for a horse to learn on. And, do not think you will find that horse for a song and dance, be willing to pay for the safe type horse. And, you might not find that gorgeous Buckskin, or Palomino...maybe just an OLD BAY that has knots on his legs and floppy ears.
I wish that you were closer, I have a great friend she is like my second mom, and that is what she does. She specilizes in the beginner and horses to fit them. She has been doing this for over 50 yrs now. She has weekend camps during the year for Adults and during the summer she has kids camps that by the time they are done. You will know if that kid really wants to ride or not.
Another thing is one I have no experience using, it is farely new. That is the AQHA site has a link for Novices program. www.aqha.com or this link looks like what I been told about. http://www.aqha.com/association/experience/index.html
Not sure whether other breed associations are doing this or not.
Not sure if this really answers any questions....Just when I read your post I do see why it would make you nervous. We did not mean to disinclude a novice by any means. Just speaking of past experiences we have had.
Hope that this helps you and Wishing you the best of luck finding that instructor that you can benefit from.
Easty
Brad S
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Il Rancher,
I think ranchers should read Dave Jones practical western training - nothing revolutionary here just good horsemanship. If you have decent cow sense, you'll adapt quickly. Part of cow senes is an a$$ load of humility. All good horse hands are students - always trying to learn or understand better.
I'd like to see you spend your dough on the horse not the lessons. Don't worry about the age, he needs to be seasoned and tested. Takes most about 7 to get real legit. But if you go trying to get a sound honest gentle 7 year old, you are gonna have to lay down some klink. Some will tell you that a 15 yo horse that is still togather is a "never was" horse, but you can find some aged horses that are still togather. THing about an aged horse, he'll teach you alot for free. there are aged horses still beating the world, Batman was prca calfhorse of the year at 18 so don't worry about a little age. it'll cheapen one up some too. I just bought My daughter a ropehorse that is 20 years old from a 75 year old man that was still winning money on him.
I'd say try a horse before you buy one. The best way is to ride the horse a bunch 1 day, and have the vet look at him the next morning. A horse doesn't have to be all the way sound to work, but you must know the limitations. There are simply too many ways to get horse cheated, you need to vet a horse. If a horse will pass a vet test he'll cost more, but you think you heard stories about bad horse buyers, you'll never know about all the bad horse snides.
If you get a horse that you get along with, and throw away your pickup keys for awhile, you'll wonder how you ever lived without such. Don't even pack a rope until you're very comfortable horseback, but even then, roping alone in the pasture is a bit of a no no. You need to neighbor with another horseman. too many times the girls are better horsemen because they don't suffer testosterone poisoning. Never beat a horse - there is a time to spank one, but don't beat one. nobody's a robot; if you're just not getting along with a horse, go drink some iced tea.
I think ranchers should read Dave Jones practical western training - nothing revolutionary here just good horsemanship. If you have decent cow sense, you'll adapt quickly. Part of cow senes is an a$$ load of humility. All good horse hands are students - always trying to learn or understand better.
I'd like to see you spend your dough on the horse not the lessons. Don't worry about the age, he needs to be seasoned and tested. Takes most about 7 to get real legit. But if you go trying to get a sound honest gentle 7 year old, you are gonna have to lay down some klink. Some will tell you that a 15 yo horse that is still togather is a "never was" horse, but you can find some aged horses that are still togather. THing about an aged horse, he'll teach you alot for free. there are aged horses still beating the world, Batman was prca calfhorse of the year at 18 so don't worry about a little age. it'll cheapen one up some too. I just bought My daughter a ropehorse that is 20 years old from a 75 year old man that was still winning money on him.
I'd say try a horse before you buy one. The best way is to ride the horse a bunch 1 day, and have the vet look at him the next morning. A horse doesn't have to be all the way sound to work, but you must know the limitations. There are simply too many ways to get horse cheated, you need to vet a horse. If a horse will pass a vet test he'll cost more, but you think you heard stories about bad horse buyers, you'll never know about all the bad horse snides.
If you get a horse that you get along with, and throw away your pickup keys for awhile, you'll wonder how you ever lived without such. Don't even pack a rope until you're very comfortable horseback, but even then, roping alone in the pasture is a bit of a no no. You need to neighbor with another horseman. too many times the girls are better horsemen because they don't suffer testosterone poisoning. Never beat a horse - there is a time to spank one, but don't beat one. nobody's a robot; if you're just not getting along with a horse, go drink some iced tea.
Faster horses
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Good advice there, Brad. IMO
We have found horses for people for years. Not necessarily bought
and sold them, but conducted a finding service. It was a blast. We always
said "If we don't know the horse, then we have to know the people."
We found that if the person buying the horse, knew that horses' particular
problem that helped (and every horse seems to have at least one little oddity). They could then decide if it was something they could
put up with or not. Took the suprise out of finding it out on their own.
It's the suprise they don't like. We made lots of friends in several
states. We dealt with a horse trader from up by St. Ignatius, Montana and have made a lasting friendship with him. We moved horses with him for about 7 years and never encountered one problem selling a horse.
Not one.
He looked at a horse once that I was afraid was blind in one eye. He didn't think so, and bought the horse anyway. He paid quite a bit for him as he was a typy buckskin gelding. He called in a week or so and told me
I was right, that the horse was blind in one eye. He took the horse to
Billings to the horse sale rather than pass him along to one of his/our
customers.
That is the kind of fellow you need to find to help you buy
the right horse, IL Rancher. They are out there, but you have to dig to
find them. Ask around and you will find a reputable person. Again, "if you don't know the horse, you gotta know the people."
Too many people selling horses go by the old adage, "BUYER BEWARE."
We don't want that to happen with you. And older is better in your instance. There are exceptions, but finding a horse 12-18 years old would
be just about ideal. They've 'been there, done that" or they wouldn't still
be around at that age. And I sure recommend the vet check as Brad mentioned.
Good luck. You are about to proceed on a great journey.
We have found horses for people for years. Not necessarily bought
and sold them, but conducted a finding service. It was a blast. We always
said "If we don't know the horse, then we have to know the people."
We found that if the person buying the horse, knew that horses' particular
problem that helped (and every horse seems to have at least one little oddity). They could then decide if it was something they could
put up with or not. Took the suprise out of finding it out on their own.
It's the suprise they don't like. We made lots of friends in several
states. We dealt with a horse trader from up by St. Ignatius, Montana and have made a lasting friendship with him. We moved horses with him for about 7 years and never encountered one problem selling a horse.
Not one.
He looked at a horse once that I was afraid was blind in one eye. He didn't think so, and bought the horse anyway. He paid quite a bit for him as he was a typy buckskin gelding. He called in a week or so and told me
I was right, that the horse was blind in one eye. He took the horse to
Billings to the horse sale rather than pass him along to one of his/our
customers.
That is the kind of fellow you need to find to help you buy
the right horse, IL Rancher. They are out there, but you have to dig to
find them. Ask around and you will find a reputable person. Again, "if you don't know the horse, you gotta know the people."
Too many people selling horses go by the old adage, "BUYER BEWARE."
We don't want that to happen with you. And older is better in your instance. There are exceptions, but finding a horse 12-18 years old would
be just about ideal. They've 'been there, done that" or they wouldn't still
be around at that age. And I sure recommend the vet check as Brad mentioned.
Good luck. You are about to proceed on a great journey.