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Do you get calls like this?

AMEN BRAD!! Vet is your bestfriend in these cases. Even as many horses as I have bought, I always have my vet look them over for something I miss.

Great Advice Brad, I try with the words but sometimes I just cant get my meaning all the way out. ;) ..

And I knew someone would know a book that was more into the horsemanship end.

But, like I said too....the best horse for a novice isnt always that purty horse, or one without scars. Best one we ever owned we called him Bones, loppy eared, droopy lipped sorrel. But, would keep up with the best and never hurt a person on purpose at all!! Just have to try them and see what fits you. Guess in all my rambling it still comes out the same..but, I guess what I was trying to get at with 4-H is when IL was asking about help, majority of the time...it is the best place to start when you are new to it all. And, if you have the $$ to spend on learning to ride, I will always say use it....better than getting off somewhere and getting hurt. You have to learn to saddle and bit properly, and not abuse the horse in your learning.

I do hope that these last few posts help you out IL.....

Love of horses is something that always has a return....

Easty
 
My vet is a horse person... Sometimes I think if she ever got real established in the horse comunity that she would switch over to all horses and let her assistant do all of the cow work but than she says things about how much she loves doing farm calls... Without sarcasm in the voice, lol. I need to go and talk to her and would have Friday but she was out on a call when I showed up at the clinic to pick up some vaccines.

I don't want to say money is not an object, because it is. I am not going to spend 15 grand on a horse but I am not expecting to get a real good horse for my needs for 1500 either. If you buy, say a 6000 dollar horse, and you use her/him for 10 years you are only looking at 600 a year basically in initial cost (Sure, feed, care, housing and otherthings can change that equation but what I am trying to say is the right horse is worth a lot to me)

Color means almost nothing to me. Sure, I like the roans, the bucksins, the Grullo's, sorrels and duns a lot... But they are all good... About the only color I don't like is flea bitten grey and white but I think I would even get over that if the horse was right.

Brad, I need to take some lessons just to get in shape for horseback ridding. The last time I was on a horse I remember one thing distintly, and that was the feeling of absoulte pain the next morning from my ankelys to my shoulders. I think the only thing not sore were my eyelids and earlobes. Oh well, I recovered eventually.

The hard part is going to be locating a horse that has been around cattle semi locally. People just stopped working cows with horses around here. It was a terrible domino affect. One person stopped and than another and than it started getting harder and harder to find replacement horses and people who could ride so those people got rid of their horses and so on an so on until here we are today. The horses around here are pleasure horses and english.. I will just have to expand the area to look at, I am sure the vet will have good ideas...

Last year we almost bought a farm that had 400 horses on it... That would have been a crash course :shock: Especially with most being mustangs or mustang/(percheron/Belgion) crosses.
 
You are right on to have someone you trust to help you find something.
There is no substitute for knowledge.

BTW, do you realize that buying the horse is the cheapest part of the
whole adventure? :wink: :shock:

"The outside of a horse is good for the inside of a man."
Don't know who said it first, but it has applied for many years.
 
Yeah, between tack and care and everything else over the lifetime of a horse you are looking at some large numbers.. Kind of like what I told my wife when she got a free dog a number of years back. There is no such thing as a free dog. Sure enough, that free dog cost 5000 bucks his life between food and his issues wit health until we had to finally put him down due to renal failure at just ten years of age :cry:

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Had a great day yesterday.
Sold my barrel prospect. Cash deal and she did not dicker on the price.
Mad a dash to Cow Town for the Ian Tyson concert. At the gates of Heritage park they were talking money from people to get into the park.
When we got to the gate the girl winked at me and told us to go through without paying what would have been close to $40 for my family.
We got there one minute before he started singing. The place was packed with people standing outside of the tent trying to get a peek of the concert.
For the heck of it we sqeezed inside to try to find seats that we figgured would be all taken. Well just as we got up there, 4 people seen us and said they had to leave and we could have their seats!
Ian put on a great show. Lots of his older songs like Jaquima to Freno. Faster Horses he even did an encore because of the standing ovation. He finished with your song "Over The Rainbow".
About IllRanchers question
Im going to go against the grain here. You dont learn from the good horses. You learn from the bad ones.
If you dont ride the bad ones you will never be able to appreciate the good ones.
The easy and expensive way to achieve average horsemanship is to go out and buy a really well trained horse and hire a trainer but that alone wont get you very far.
Ill Rancher just to let you know what you are getting into. If you were to just quit everything else and totally comit yourself to becoming a horseman. If you did this 5 days a week for about three years you would only then be to the point where you realized how much you have to learn about horses. It would take three years of riding 5 days a week, in all kinds of weather and riding despite being injured and or scared,just to get to the point that you were not a so called green rider. There is no end to horsemanship. You have to enjoy the journey.
One or two books or training programs are just little pieces of the puzzle. You dont need money to become a horseman.
All that is needed is heart and desire. If you have this I will help you any way I can.
 
Sounds like you had a very good day!!! Good for you.

Had you ever heard Ian sing "Over the Rainbow" before?
I hadn't, and the first time I listened to him sing it, I was really in awe!
Did you think he did something outstanding with it as well?
I don't know what there is that makes it a little more special when he
sings it, maybe just his singing voice.

Glad the whole day worked out for you!!!

Where do you get your prospects? Do you raise them or buy
them, or both?
 
Faster horses said:
Sounds like you had a very good day!!! Good for you.

Had you ever heard Ian sing "Over the Rainbow" before?
I hadn't, and the first time I listened to him sing it, I was really in awe!
Did you think he did something outstanding with it as well?
I don't know what there is that makes it a little more special when he
sings it, maybe just his singing voice.

Glad the whole day worked out for you!!!

Where do you get your prospects? Do you raise them or buy
them, or both?
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Just heard him sing it on tape. Over The Rainbow and Navaho Rug are actually my least favorite Tyson songs. LOLs thought of you though when he sang it though.
Really though its his other songs that have more meaning to me. Springtime, MC Horses, Elko Blues, Wind and the wire, etc.
I buy colts. I cant raise them for what I can buy them for. Plus its the time and money thing. Im 37yo. I would have to get studs, train and show. Have to end up with an exceptional one that is proven in shows.
Then you need good broodmares if the foals are going to have a chance. Then those foals have to grow up and be proven in the show ring before your stud would be proven enough to ever make it pay.
I think you have to start at it when your pretty young to ever live long enough to make it pay. Plus the costs in all that would be way to much for me.
If I could only just breed average horses im thinking I would be better off raising cattle. LOLs Cows only eat half as much and bring in about the same money. :lol:
Its probabaly different up here than in MT? You guys have way bigger markets with more people with money willing to pay. Plus the PMU collapse has really made an impact up here.
 
Over the rainbow is one of gregs fav's.As our daughter grew-up she would crawl into bed with us alot...so we told her Adilta Rose was her song,everytime we were in truck greg had to play it for her.On her wedding day her and her daddy danced to that song :cry: Good for you Roper,sounds like a great day all around...did you get a chance to look around Heritage Park after the concert? Oh ya,Navaho Rug is my favorite Ian song :nod:
 
Mr. FH and I like other Ian Tyson songs. Like you, "Najavo Rug" is our
favorite. Over the rainbow was a suprise to me when I heard him sing
it at the end of a concert and I really liked it. It is a non-typical Ian
Tyson song, I would have to say.

I have a framed picture of him in
the cutting pen hanging on the wall in our house.

I can agree with you totally on the buying vs. raising thing with the horses.
The PMU horse deal hurt everyone, but good horses still bring good money.
And good horses are getting harder to find.

Except for Soapweed! He can go to a sale, buy 4 and they are all good ones. He must have a special knack. :nod:
 
No we didnt look around Heritage park. Just went directly to the concert and then straight home. That was actually the only<anykind > of concert that I have ever been to.
When I was a kid there used to be a kids show on TV called the muppet show. On this show Kermit the Frog always sang over the rainbow. haha So whenever I here the song I think of Kermit the frog.
My wife used to love that Navaho Rug song. Haha She used to sing it all the time until it just got to the point that it sent shivers down my back to hear anybody sing that song!
I will say one thing that kind of stuck in my mind about the concert. There was actually muslim origin women there. Yes that right at an Ian Tyson concert! They were young women and they were right into the concert clapping their hands and stuff. They had there faces painted up like the Canadian Flag.
I was very shocked and also impressed by this. Out of all the people there these muslim <Pakistan,India???>women were the only ones really painted up for Canada day.
Plus I just never in my wildest dreams ever thought I would see muslims at an Ian Tyson concert. They were really right into it to :shock:
 
It's frustrating starting horses for people-Ty had put alot of time and miles on a young mare last summer-she'd reared over on her owner and hurt him. Never showed it at our place and had her going really well-she's a big strong 4 year old-a real nice horse. We were in their country this weekend and she was never saddled after they brought her back. He caught her up and rode her for about an hour-I wish he could deal her out of them she's got the potential to be a good ranch mare.
 
Roper,

I thought about what you said.. I kind of agree that in life you learn more from failures and hardship than easy times (Bad horse vs good horse). It is kind of like the person who has perfect weather and a perfect calving season, weans out a bunch of nice calves (out of someone elses breeding) and than they call themselves a cattle man. The next year they have tons of mud during calving, they are pulling critters left and right and than get no rain during the summer and have all sorts of problems... In the long run they learned a heck of a lot more during that bad year than the really good year (Like how to curse reall good :oops: ) At the same time it is a heck of a lot easier not to get too discouraged when you have a good time as oppossed to a bad time... Call it a balancing act I guess.

I really didn't expect to be able to get on a horse and start working cattle right away, especially the idea of roping. These are goals. I don't want to compare it to sports because you are dealing with a living animal vs a ball or whatever but I remember growing up and learning how to play baseball, football, whatever sport... All of these things generally have quick progress to a point and than to get beyond beginning stage you have to work, work and work a little bit more for a long, long time to get truely effiecient. Whether it is riding a horse or skiing.

I am taking this slow for now, I have been "thinking" about going the horse route for 2 years. With all the possibillities of moving that have been thrown at us over the past 18 months I have put it on th back burner... That looks like it as a mistake... Oh well, time to move on from that...
 
According to one site, Ian Tyson was born Sept. 25, 1933, so he is 73. I'd have guessed late 60's, but used hard, as he looks pretty rough some days. I haven't been to any working cow horse shows lately, to know whether he is still riding his cutting horses or not. He's no cowboy, but I sure like his songs.
 
IL Rancher said:
Roper,
I am taking this slow for now, I have been "thinking" about going the horse route for 2 years. With all the possibillities of moving that have been thrown at us over the past 18 months I have put it on th back burner... That looks like it as a mistake... Oh well, time to move on from that...
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IL Rancher
I guess its sort of like cattle or farming. You have to really want to do it. If your farming or calving just for a pay check, you will be bad at it and you wont last long.
Its just that I see a lot of people buying a horse who would be better off with a quad.
If you really want to get into horses. If its always something you had an interest into but never got around to doing. Well then do it because your not getting any younger.
But if you do get into horses just be prepared to put a lot of effort into it.
If your not prepared to put effort into it your probable going to end up like a lot of first time horse owners. You will get frustrated with failure, you will not enjoy it and you will loose interest. Your also going to mess up horses.
Thats why I posted what I did in the other thread. To let you know what your getting into.
I dont know what you based your decision on.
Your decision about getting into horses should be about if you want to do it and if your willing to put in the time. This is the most important thing.
It should not be about fear of getting hurt or fear of failure. Lots of top horsemen are small women.
 
DJL said:
According to one site, Ian Tyson was born Sept. 25, 1933, so he is 73. I'd have guessed late 60's, but used hard, as he looks pretty rough some days. I haven't been to any working cow horse shows lately, to know whether he is still riding his cutting horses or not. He's no cowboy, but I sure like his songs.
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I havnt seen him at a local cutting for years.
I disagree about him not being a cowboy. I have never worked with him but I know he cowboyed and rodeoed <rough stock>for years. Trained his own cutting horses.
 
Roper I do agree with everything you just ....it does take a lot of time and you really have to like horses to stay with it. lol, guess thats why my dad says he regretts introducing me to horses. He gripes at me everyday about my horses taking 3 acres on what 1 cow can live on. :? But, he is the one that got me involved, he was an real horseman growing up. I think now he has just gotten older and feels as if he cant do what he use to with them. But, he does usually keep one of his own around...lol along with my old retired mare..that lives with the cows in which he said NEVER would happen. I try to tell another friend, do not invest in horses unless you can see that is what you want to really do. She is wanting a horse for her daughter. So, I have basically loaned them my old mare to see if this really is something that the daughter is going to stick with.



Easty
 
ETG,

Your loaning an old steady freddy is quite an opportunity for your friend - I think everyone would like horses if their formative experiances were with a tried and trusty honest horse.


My oldest daughter is 8, then I have a son aged 7, then a daughter aged 4, then a daughter aged 3 - they all ride horses about everyday. Like your dad, I too have reservations about my kids horsing so much, but I only have myself to blame. I think the horsing my kids do will no doubt develope self reliance and confidence. We don't have an XBox; I'd like one but don't want to raise the typical American couch kid.
 
Roper I know Ian trains his cutters and rides them, but he doesn't do near the job that Carl or Guy or most of the other cutters do. There is just no comparison. That's what I was looking at. One guys trained horse is what the next guy would consider very green.......
 
Brad I am a strong believer in keeping kids busy, whether it be working on the farm or sports. I know that there was a lot of things I could have gotten into wayyyyy backkkk wheennnn lmao, not gonna tell just how far back. But, I enjoyed learning, training, and showing my horses. I usually had at least 2 show steers in the barn, along with a pig, and some broilers. I never had a lot of time to mess with drugs, or for that matter BOYS!! ;) They would pretend to have the same interest and find their way out the same door they came in. Even tried to rope a little lol...but I got teased about the blonde thing, I did okay off the horse...put me on the horse and not sure what happened lmao. I had gotten a scholarship in the horse program at one of our major universities, lol, instead I picked the marriage thing. We worked with my dad on the farm, and it taught my sons what work was, and to respect others way of life. I dont have any regrets, I got 2 great boys out of the deal, now that they are grown...lol, I have gone back to college.

NOW the XBOX lmao..we do have the games in our house and always did, the ex played them more than the kids did!!

There you have it...the easty story in summary not sure that fit to what you were talking about Brad..but I do believe that keeping a kid busy does keep them out of to much real mischief, and today there is way to much of that in the world.

Easty
 

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