lightninboy
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Physics trumps fallible human beings.Mike said:
It wouldn't look like a prairie dog hole any more.Mike said:
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lightninboy
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Now, Mike, say you're shooting prairie dogs.
You have a solid-point bullet and a hollow-point bullet.
You know what a hollow-point bullet does to prairie dog guts?
A 757 is more like a hollow-point bullet than a solid-point bullet, right?
You have a solid-point bullet and a hollow-point bullet.
You know what a hollow-point bullet does to prairie dog guts?
A 757 is more like a hollow-point bullet than a solid-point bullet, right?
lightninboy
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:shock: :lol:Mike said:
I think that has got to be the MINDBOGGLINGLY STUPIDEST argument anybody ever gave in support of the official 9-11 story.Steve
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DEBUNKED
The pieces on the ground "before" the crash show there was damage to the plane just before impact...
*note all photos taken from CP sites.. so we know they are credible... :?
lightninboy
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What CP sites?
What's a CP site?
What's a CP site?
lightninboy
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How do you know?Steve said:
Larrry
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Steve I think you finally have lb convinced in the errors of his "thinking"
lightninboy
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THE PENTAGON ATTACK PAPERS
Seven Hours in September: The Clocks that Broke the Lie
Appendix to
THE TERROR CONSPIRACY
by Jim Marrs
by Barbara Honegger, M.S.
Sept. 6, 2006
The Pentagon was first attacked at 9:32 am, much earlier than the 9/11 Commission and official cover story claim. (In this summary of evidence, the more precise time of 9:31:40 am is "rounded up" for ease of reference.)
The Pentagon and mainstream media first reported 9:43 as the time of alleged Flight 77 impact (some reports, presumably taken from official sources, were as late as 9:48 and 9:47). Over time, the time given by officials for the claimed outside impact on the building has been moved earlier and earlier, down to 9:37 (as of the time of this writing), but has never come close to the actual time of the first violent event at the Pentagon—9:32. Clearly, if the official story that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon at 9:37 were true, Flight 77 could not have been the source of massive damage to the west side of the building a minimum of five minutes earlier at 9:32.
The Pentagon was attacked by bomb(s) at or around 9:32 am, possibly followed by an impact from an airborne object significantly smaller than Flight 77, a Boeing 757.
This Army financial management/audit area is part of, or contiguous to, the Army personnel offices, which was one of two main west section offices heavily destroyed in the Pentagon attack, the other being the Naval Command Center. The day before 9/11, September 10, Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld held a press conference at which he acknowledged that the Pentagon was "missing"—could not account for and needed to "find"—$2.3 Trillion dollars (other reports said $2.6 Trillion). Were the auditors who could "follow the money," and the computers whose data could help them do it, intentionally targeted? It is worth noting that the Pentagon's top financial officer at the time, Dov Zakheim, who also acknowledged the "missing" trillions, had a company that specializes in aircraft remote control technology. As remnants found in the Pentagon wreckage have been identified as the front-hub assembly of the front compressor of a JT8D turbojet engine used in the A-3 Sky Warrior jet fighter, and as Air Force A-3 Sky Warriors—normally piloted planes—were secretly retrofitted to be remote-controlled drones and fitted with missiles in a highly compartmented operation at an airport near Ft. Collins-Loveland Municipal Airport in Colorado in the months before 9/11, the question further arises as to whether Pentagon auditors and their computerized data were intentionally targeted on 9/11.
Survivor eyewitnesses from inside the west section of the Pentagon reported that the blast caused its windows first to expand outwards, and then inwards.
Multiple witnesses said they smelled cordite after the initial explosion at the Pentagon, an explosive which has a distinct and very different smell from that of burning jet fuel.
It is important to note that bomb explosion(s) at 9:32 am on the ground floor of the west section of the Pentagon are not inconsistent with there having also been a later, or even near-simultaneous, impact by some airborne object -- a piloted plane, unmanned drone, or missile -- into the same or nearby section of the building, which may have been the cause of the collapse of the west wall section approximately 20 minutes after the initial violent event. Indeed, if a heat-seeking missile hit the building after the bomb(s) went off, the heat from the explosion(s) would become the target for the missile. Recall that the A-3 Sky Warrior planes were retrofitted shortly before 9/11, not only enabling them to be remotely controlled but also fitted with missiles. The round-shaped exit hole in the inner wall of the "C" Ring is evidence that a missile or a piloted or pilot-less remote controlled plane significantly smaller than Flight 77 also struck the building subsequent to bombs going off and penetrated the inside of the third ring, as bomb detonations would not have resulted in such a near-symmetrical round-shaped opening.
The fact that Rumsfeld, the military's top civilian official, was on Clarke's teleconference with the top official of the FAA, Director Jane Garvey, also puts the complete lie to the official cover story that Air Force interceptors weren't scrambled in time because the military and FAA "couldn't talk each other" on 9/11.
In addition to the already legion evidence that Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon -- i.e. the small hole in the west side
of the Pentagon being not nearly large enough for the plane's fuselage, let alone wing width; no damage to the lawn where Flight 77 allegedly struck and skidded before hitting the building; wrecked plane parts at the site identified as being from an A-3 Sky Warrior, a far smaller plane than that of Flight 77, a Boeing 757; Pentagon requests to TV media on the morning of 9/11 not to take up-close images, etc. -- there is also official evidence that Flight 77 did not hit the building:
In the Air Force's own account of the events of 9/11, Air War Over America, the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) general who finally ordered interceptor jets scrambled on 9/11, although too late, Gen. Larry Arnold, revealed that he ordered one of his jets to fly down low over the Pentagon shortly after the attack there that morning, and that this pilot reported back that there was no evidence that a plane had hit the building. This fighter jet—not Flight 77—is almost certainly the plane seen on the Dulles airport Air Traffic Controller's screen making a steep, high-speed 270-degree descent before disappearing from the radar.
Thus, the likely reason the Pentagon has refused to lower the current official time for "Flight 77" impact, 9:37, to
9:32 am—the actual time of the first explosions there—is that they decided to pretend the blip represented by Arnold's surveillance jet approaching just before 9:37 was "Flight 77." As the official cover story claims that the alleged 9:37 impact was the only Pentagon attack that morning, yet by the time Arnold's surveillance jet arrived on the scene the violent event had already happened, the Pentagon cannot acknowledge the earlier 9:32 time without revealing an attack on the building prior to the alleged impact.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/appendix_terrorconspiracy.pdf
Seven Hours in September: The Clocks that Broke the Lie
Appendix to
THE TERROR CONSPIRACY
by Jim Marrs
by Barbara Honegger, M.S.
Sept. 6, 2006
The Pentagon was first attacked at 9:32 am, much earlier than the 9/11 Commission and official cover story claim. (In this summary of evidence, the more precise time of 9:31:40 am is "rounded up" for ease of reference.)
The Pentagon and mainstream media first reported 9:43 as the time of alleged Flight 77 impact (some reports, presumably taken from official sources, were as late as 9:48 and 9:47). Over time, the time given by officials for the claimed outside impact on the building has been moved earlier and earlier, down to 9:37 (as of the time of this writing), but has never come close to the actual time of the first violent event at the Pentagon—9:32. Clearly, if the official story that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon at 9:37 were true, Flight 77 could not have been the source of massive damage to the west side of the building a minimum of five minutes earlier at 9:32.
The Pentagon was attacked by bomb(s) at or around 9:32 am, possibly followed by an impact from an airborne object significantly smaller than Flight 77, a Boeing 757.
This Army financial management/audit area is part of, or contiguous to, the Army personnel offices, which was one of two main west section offices heavily destroyed in the Pentagon attack, the other being the Naval Command Center. The day before 9/11, September 10, Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld held a press conference at which he acknowledged that the Pentagon was "missing"—could not account for and needed to "find"—$2.3 Trillion dollars (other reports said $2.6 Trillion). Were the auditors who could "follow the money," and the computers whose data could help them do it, intentionally targeted? It is worth noting that the Pentagon's top financial officer at the time, Dov Zakheim, who also acknowledged the "missing" trillions, had a company that specializes in aircraft remote control technology. As remnants found in the Pentagon wreckage have been identified as the front-hub assembly of the front compressor of a JT8D turbojet engine used in the A-3 Sky Warrior jet fighter, and as Air Force A-3 Sky Warriors—normally piloted planes—were secretly retrofitted to be remote-controlled drones and fitted with missiles in a highly compartmented operation at an airport near Ft. Collins-Loveland Municipal Airport in Colorado in the months before 9/11, the question further arises as to whether Pentagon auditors and their computerized data were intentionally targeted on 9/11.
Survivor eyewitnesses from inside the west section of the Pentagon reported that the blast caused its windows first to expand outwards, and then inwards.
Multiple witnesses said they smelled cordite after the initial explosion at the Pentagon, an explosive which has a distinct and very different smell from that of burning jet fuel.
It is important to note that bomb explosion(s) at 9:32 am on the ground floor of the west section of the Pentagon are not inconsistent with there having also been a later, or even near-simultaneous, impact by some airborne object -- a piloted plane, unmanned drone, or missile -- into the same or nearby section of the building, which may have been the cause of the collapse of the west wall section approximately 20 minutes after the initial violent event. Indeed, if a heat-seeking missile hit the building after the bomb(s) went off, the heat from the explosion(s) would become the target for the missile. Recall that the A-3 Sky Warrior planes were retrofitted shortly before 9/11, not only enabling them to be remotely controlled but also fitted with missiles. The round-shaped exit hole in the inner wall of the "C" Ring is evidence that a missile or a piloted or pilot-less remote controlled plane significantly smaller than Flight 77 also struck the building subsequent to bombs going off and penetrated the inside of the third ring, as bomb detonations would not have resulted in such a near-symmetrical round-shaped opening.
The fact that Rumsfeld, the military's top civilian official, was on Clarke's teleconference with the top official of the FAA, Director Jane Garvey, also puts the complete lie to the official cover story that Air Force interceptors weren't scrambled in time because the military and FAA "couldn't talk each other" on 9/11.
In addition to the already legion evidence that Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon -- i.e. the small hole in the west side
of the Pentagon being not nearly large enough for the plane's fuselage, let alone wing width; no damage to the lawn where Flight 77 allegedly struck and skidded before hitting the building; wrecked plane parts at the site identified as being from an A-3 Sky Warrior, a far smaller plane than that of Flight 77, a Boeing 757; Pentagon requests to TV media on the morning of 9/11 not to take up-close images, etc. -- there is also official evidence that Flight 77 did not hit the building:
In the Air Force's own account of the events of 9/11, Air War Over America, the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) general who finally ordered interceptor jets scrambled on 9/11, although too late, Gen. Larry Arnold, revealed that he ordered one of his jets to fly down low over the Pentagon shortly after the attack there that morning, and that this pilot reported back that there was no evidence that a plane had hit the building. This fighter jet—not Flight 77—is almost certainly the plane seen on the Dulles airport Air Traffic Controller's screen making a steep, high-speed 270-degree descent before disappearing from the radar.
Thus, the likely reason the Pentagon has refused to lower the current official time for "Flight 77" impact, 9:37, to
9:32 am—the actual time of the first explosions there—is that they decided to pretend the blip represented by Arnold's surveillance jet approaching just before 9:37 was "Flight 77." As the official cover story claims that the alleged 9:37 impact was the only Pentagon attack that morning, yet by the time Arnold's surveillance jet arrived on the scene the violent event had already happened, the Pentagon cannot acknowledge the earlier 9:32 time without revealing an attack on the building prior to the alleged impact.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/appendix_terrorconspiracy.pdf
lightninboy
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By Karl W. B. Schwarz
February 2, 2005
It is not a "turbofan" component, it is in fact a "turbojet" component from an US Air Force/Navy vintage type of jet engine technology that was used on just a limited number of fighters, bombers and reconnaissance planes.
There was one credible witness found that saw "a two-engine jet airplane, the engines were under the wings." That is a visual description of a 737, 757, or 767, but it is also a description of an A-3 Skywarrior.
The front fan hub and compressor assembly of the Allison J33, J71 (now owned by Rolls Royce), and the Pratt & Whitney J57 and Pratt & Whitney JT8D are all fairly similar.
Compare to the A-3 photos and the much larger fan needed for the 757 type of high bypass jet engine. In short, the Pentagon part is not from a 757, period.
That is a 737 type of "turbojet" power plant and might well be in the "modified A-3 Skywarriors."
The USAF only has a few of the A-3s left in operation and what was formerly Hughes Aircraft, now Raytheon, has a fleet of them at Van Nuys, Calif.
What has been interesting is the level of "content blocking" that there is on the Internet where specific information regarding certain "jet engine components" such as those shown at the Pentagon have definitely been blocked. Our team had to take steps to go around the content blocks to get at the photos you are seeing regarding these rotor hub components.
This type of air-to-ground missile (AGM) is what is used to hit buildings and blow big holes in them, like the 16-foot diameter hole in the Pentagon. Note that 737s and 757 do not come equipped with such fire control systems or the mounting pods for the missiles, however, the A-3 Skywarrior is built to support the firing of such systems.
http://physics911.net/pdf/schwarz.pdf
February 2, 2005
It is not a "turbofan" component, it is in fact a "turbojet" component from an US Air Force/Navy vintage type of jet engine technology that was used on just a limited number of fighters, bombers and reconnaissance planes.
There was one credible witness found that saw "a two-engine jet airplane, the engines were under the wings." That is a visual description of a 737, 757, or 767, but it is also a description of an A-3 Skywarrior.
The front fan hub and compressor assembly of the Allison J33, J71 (now owned by Rolls Royce), and the Pratt & Whitney J57 and Pratt & Whitney JT8D are all fairly similar.
Compare to the A-3 photos and the much larger fan needed for the 757 type of high bypass jet engine. In short, the Pentagon part is not from a 757, period.
That is a 737 type of "turbojet" power plant and might well be in the "modified A-3 Skywarriors."
The USAF only has a few of the A-3s left in operation and what was formerly Hughes Aircraft, now Raytheon, has a fleet of them at Van Nuys, Calif.
What has been interesting is the level of "content blocking" that there is on the Internet where specific information regarding certain "jet engine components" such as those shown at the Pentagon have definitely been blocked. Our team had to take steps to go around the content blocks to get at the photos you are seeing regarding these rotor hub components.
This type of air-to-ground missile (AGM) is what is used to hit buildings and blow big holes in them, like the 16-foot diameter hole in the Pentagon. Note that 737s and 757 do not come equipped with such fire control systems or the mounting pods for the missiles, however, the A-3 Skywarrior is built to support the firing of such systems.
http://physics911.net/pdf/schwarz.pdf
lightninboy
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Rebuttal To Popular Mechanics' Pentagon Article, A Case Against Disinformation Artistry
Most everyone is aware of James B. Meigs the 'editor-in-chief' of Popular Mechanics Magazine who asked his PM staff to "begin a preliminary investigation" into "claims made by 9/11 conspiracy theorists in order to decide whether the topic would be appropriate for an article in Popular Mechanics." Their Original "The Pentagon" Disinformation Article can be read in full here:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology...842.html?page=6
Dozens of witnesses saw no 100-ton Jetliner hit the Pentagon on 9/11 or any other day. The Bushie Administration "Opinion Molding" Media Machine used images of the Jetliners striking the Twin Towers to reinforce their Cover Story that Flight 77 also struck the Pentagon. The weakness of the PM article is revealed straight out of the gate with mentions of "conspiracy advocates," which throws this piece directly into the 'disinformation' category. The Official Bushie Administration Cover Story says 'many' Bearded Jihadist Radicals carried out these attacks, which places our government and Jim Meigs in the "Conspiracy Theory" business like everybody else. The 911Truthers at http://www.911truth.org and the architects and engineers at http://ae911truth.org simply disagree with Jim Meigs' identification of the 'many' principals involved in the planning and execution of the 9/11 attacks against We The People of these United States.
Sit back and ask yourself why Jim Meigs decided to use a distant "three days after 9/11" shot of the Pentagon in his presentation, when we have many pictures taken just minutes after the attack? The PM Editors simply conclude this 'damage to the Pentagon' is consistent with a fiery plane crash without even offering up one shred of evidence for Flight 77 crashing ANYWHERE.
The evidence shows a single entry hole with no sign of the two impact craters on either side to accommodate the massive 6-ton Rolls-Royce engines.
This schematic shows the actual damage to the West Wedge E-Ring outer wall detailing the 911Truth that only two windows are missing from the second floor. Note the two second story windows to the left of the 20-feet diameter entry hole are not even broken. Then realize the distance from the tops of those cable spools to the bottom of the still-intact second floor is only 7 feet!
This Disinformation Artistry supports the Official Bush Administration Cover Story purposely exaggerate the size of the 'first floor' damage to give their propaganda a higher probability of reader believability.
Where did Osama and his band of Jihadist Radicals gain access to an Enhanced 109-A Tomahawk Missile that actually struck the Pentagon on 9/11?
Jim Meigs is running after Thierry Meyssan rather than present one picture of Flight 77 crashed ANYWHERE. The French 911Truther is making a case that perfectly matches the testimony of Donald Rumsfeld AND all of the photographic and video evidence gathered on 9/11. Once again the PM Editors are found giving lip service to the Official Bush/Rove Administration Cover Story, instead of serving We The People in search of the 911Truth. The real "Inside Job" terrorists had the need to make the DoD appear like the 'victim' in these attacks to justify their Iraqi War Agenda and illegal 'War On Terror,' obtaining Patriot Act powers and justifying the impotent "Department Of Homeland Insecurity" finding 20 million illegal aliens running around too and fro at the very same time.
The idea that the landing gear (heh) was somehow detached from the rest of the 100-ton Jetliner AND created this C-Ring hole is nothing more than ridiculous!
Draw a straight line down the center of the affected poles (in red) and you have the precise flight path of the Tomahawk Missile. The little known fact about flying objects near the speed of sound is they create a 'bow shockwave' that transfers force from the engines to the wave extending out in all directions. This particular missile was caught on camera flying just five feet off the ground, after descending 7000 feet on this circular flight path . . .
. . . to strike the only Wedge of the Pentagon (Wedge One) having the newly installed sprinkler system. Nobody on earth could fly the 100-ton Boeing Pig on this tight circular heading and strike the pre-selected target with precision accuracy, but a Tomahawk Missile can easily be programmed to carry out these maneuvers.
One of these bad boys made the approach at near supersonic speed, until the bow shockwave came in contact with Pole #1.
Now we must call upon your powers of observation to separate the fact from fiction. Start at the very bottom of the pole in front of the car to realize these are indeed 'breakaway' poles with the bolts still fastened between the actual pole and the broken off base plate. The snapping off of these poles is made possible by the "Double-Neck Pole-Safe Coupling".
If you walked back over to the concrete pad holding the anchor bolts, you would find the other half of these broken-off couplings embedded in the concrete. The next use of your powers of observation is to run your eyes up the length of the pole to realize there is not even a dent anywhere. How is that possible if struck by an approaching Jetliner going 500 miles per hour? :0) The next thing to note is the broken lens shattered at 'this' very location. If struck by a real Jetliner, the lens should be carried far away from this immediate location. These poles are designed to 'breakaway' from the impact of a VW Rabbit at low speeds, which was simulated by the approaching Tomahawk Missile and the 'bow shockwave.' The pole was struck by the wave and sent straight up into the air with the lens still intact, but the glass component broke upon striking the asphalt; which finds every broken piece right here. The missile continued on this trajectory heading . . .
. . . just five feet off the ground to strike the E-Ring outer wall and create the 20-foot diameter entry hole.
The missile detonated about thirty feet inside the West Wedge Wall to create the shockwave and cordite residue corroborated by the Pentagon witnesses. The nose section of the missile was thrown forward still traveling at just under the speed of sound. The Terminal Guidance, Seeker and Data Link hardware are all packed into the nose section in 'front' of the Payload Section. The nose section tumbled forward after detonation to begin gathering debris, until impacting on the D-Ring slab.
The nose section of the missile skipped on the D-Ring slab like a stone across the water, until finally punching a neat 8-foot diameter hole in the rear C-Ring Wall.
The time from the missile impact with the E-Ring outer wall to deflection on the D-Ring slab, until finally punching this hole in the rear C-Ring wall was just under a half second. Ninety percent of the columns taken out in this attack were inside a 50-feet diameter circle from the original missile impact zone.
Even these exaggerated 75-feet wide claims are NOT supported by the photographic evidence. This bogus claim that "Computer simulations confirmed the findings." is just more nonsense. If Jim Meigs and his Editors wish to present the thesis that a real 100-ton Jetliner crashed into the Pentagon, then they are required to support that claim with 100-tons of crashed Jetliner evidence.
The PM Editors >> Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University.
These men are LIARS working to lead the 911Truth reader astray using nothing more than nonsense. We have pictures of the kind of damage a real Jetliner can do to a building taken on the same day!
How many readers recognize this picture of the North Tower entry hole? Note even the very tips of the wings are clearly visible, because the Jetliner was traveling at such a high rate of speed.
If 100-tons of Jetliner vaporized over the top of these cable spools (not), then massive temperatures were required that did not even burn the plastic on these spools. Jim Meigs and his entire Editorial Staff have no evidence that over 60 tons of high grade aluminum 'melted' (heh), before even creating a sufficient entry hole in the West Wedge Pentagon wall. Try to imagine what just one ton of melted aluminum might look like and then multiply that by sixty.
The Editors >> The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide — not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet's landing gear, not by the fuselage.
The C-Ring 'exit hole' measures only 8 feet in diameter and this "landing gear" (heh) claim has no basis in reality whatsoever. The massive engines have a much higher density than the fuselage or landing gear, as if their fictitious phantom Jetliner should have the landing gear down anyway.
The PM Editors >> FACT: Some windows near the impact area did indeed survive the crash. But that's what the windows were supposed to do — they're blast-resistant.
This is perhaps the most hilarious claim of all from the PM Editors, because only 'two' second story windows are missing and NONE of the third story windows are even broken. No blast-resistant window invented and built by men can withstand the impact of a 100-ton Jetliner going over 500 miles per hour. Remember the large cable spools sitting directly under the 20-feet diameter entry hole, which point to the 911Truth that any 50-feet tall Jetliner MUST have passed over them.
Raising a real Boeing 757-200 Jetliner up to pass over those spools puts us well into the third floor where none of the windows were even broken. :0) Note the massive tail section is lining up with the fourth floor windows even now, which totally obliterates The Editor's bogus claims without a single word of rebuttal from anyone.
These DoD operatives are not running around picking up 'evidence' at all, but are caught in the act of putting these few small pieces of planted evidence 'down.' Remember again that our original pictures show not even a piece of paper on the pristine Pentagon lawn, so how do you explain the presence of a tiny piece of unburned starboard-side fuselage over 200 feet away on the port side of the crash? The fact that these DoD operatives are even in possession of supposed Flight 77 evidence proves the original crime scene was corrupt from the very beginning. Real Crime Scene Investigators should have been marking the ground and tagging this evidence, before anything was touched and moved by anyone.
Terral L. Croft
911Truth.org (Advisor)
AE911Truth.org
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=8899
Most everyone is aware of James B. Meigs the 'editor-in-chief' of Popular Mechanics Magazine who asked his PM staff to "begin a preliminary investigation" into "claims made by 9/11 conspiracy theorists in order to decide whether the topic would be appropriate for an article in Popular Mechanics." Their Original "The Pentagon" Disinformation Article can be read in full here:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology...842.html?page=6
Dozens of witnesses saw no 100-ton Jetliner hit the Pentagon on 9/11 or any other day. The Bushie Administration "Opinion Molding" Media Machine used images of the Jetliners striking the Twin Towers to reinforce their Cover Story that Flight 77 also struck the Pentagon. The weakness of the PM article is revealed straight out of the gate with mentions of "conspiracy advocates," which throws this piece directly into the 'disinformation' category. The Official Bushie Administration Cover Story says 'many' Bearded Jihadist Radicals carried out these attacks, which places our government and Jim Meigs in the "Conspiracy Theory" business like everybody else. The 911Truthers at http://www.911truth.org and the architects and engineers at http://ae911truth.org simply disagree with Jim Meigs' identification of the 'many' principals involved in the planning and execution of the 9/11 attacks against We The People of these United States.
Sit back and ask yourself why Jim Meigs decided to use a distant "three days after 9/11" shot of the Pentagon in his presentation, when we have many pictures taken just minutes after the attack? The PM Editors simply conclude this 'damage to the Pentagon' is consistent with a fiery plane crash without even offering up one shred of evidence for Flight 77 crashing ANYWHERE.
The evidence shows a single entry hole with no sign of the two impact craters on either side to accommodate the massive 6-ton Rolls-Royce engines.
This schematic shows the actual damage to the West Wedge E-Ring outer wall detailing the 911Truth that only two windows are missing from the second floor. Note the two second story windows to the left of the 20-feet diameter entry hole are not even broken. Then realize the distance from the tops of those cable spools to the bottom of the still-intact second floor is only 7 feet!
This Disinformation Artistry supports the Official Bush Administration Cover Story purposely exaggerate the size of the 'first floor' damage to give their propaganda a higher probability of reader believability.
Where did Osama and his band of Jihadist Radicals gain access to an Enhanced 109-A Tomahawk Missile that actually struck the Pentagon on 9/11?
Jim Meigs is running after Thierry Meyssan rather than present one picture of Flight 77 crashed ANYWHERE. The French 911Truther is making a case that perfectly matches the testimony of Donald Rumsfeld AND all of the photographic and video evidence gathered on 9/11. Once again the PM Editors are found giving lip service to the Official Bush/Rove Administration Cover Story, instead of serving We The People in search of the 911Truth. The real "Inside Job" terrorists had the need to make the DoD appear like the 'victim' in these attacks to justify their Iraqi War Agenda and illegal 'War On Terror,' obtaining Patriot Act powers and justifying the impotent "Department Of Homeland Insecurity" finding 20 million illegal aliens running around too and fro at the very same time.
The idea that the landing gear (heh) was somehow detached from the rest of the 100-ton Jetliner AND created this C-Ring hole is nothing more than ridiculous!
Draw a straight line down the center of the affected poles (in red) and you have the precise flight path of the Tomahawk Missile. The little known fact about flying objects near the speed of sound is they create a 'bow shockwave' that transfers force from the engines to the wave extending out in all directions. This particular missile was caught on camera flying just five feet off the ground, after descending 7000 feet on this circular flight path . . .
. . . to strike the only Wedge of the Pentagon (Wedge One) having the newly installed sprinkler system. Nobody on earth could fly the 100-ton Boeing Pig on this tight circular heading and strike the pre-selected target with precision accuracy, but a Tomahawk Missile can easily be programmed to carry out these maneuvers.
One of these bad boys made the approach at near supersonic speed, until the bow shockwave came in contact with Pole #1.
Now we must call upon your powers of observation to separate the fact from fiction. Start at the very bottom of the pole in front of the car to realize these are indeed 'breakaway' poles with the bolts still fastened between the actual pole and the broken off base plate. The snapping off of these poles is made possible by the "Double-Neck Pole-Safe Coupling".
If you walked back over to the concrete pad holding the anchor bolts, you would find the other half of these broken-off couplings embedded in the concrete. The next use of your powers of observation is to run your eyes up the length of the pole to realize there is not even a dent anywhere. How is that possible if struck by an approaching Jetliner going 500 miles per hour? :0) The next thing to note is the broken lens shattered at 'this' very location. If struck by a real Jetliner, the lens should be carried far away from this immediate location. These poles are designed to 'breakaway' from the impact of a VW Rabbit at low speeds, which was simulated by the approaching Tomahawk Missile and the 'bow shockwave.' The pole was struck by the wave and sent straight up into the air with the lens still intact, but the glass component broke upon striking the asphalt; which finds every broken piece right here. The missile continued on this trajectory heading . . .
. . . just five feet off the ground to strike the E-Ring outer wall and create the 20-foot diameter entry hole.
The missile detonated about thirty feet inside the West Wedge Wall to create the shockwave and cordite residue corroborated by the Pentagon witnesses. The nose section of the missile was thrown forward still traveling at just under the speed of sound. The Terminal Guidance, Seeker and Data Link hardware are all packed into the nose section in 'front' of the Payload Section. The nose section tumbled forward after detonation to begin gathering debris, until impacting on the D-Ring slab.
The nose section of the missile skipped on the D-Ring slab like a stone across the water, until finally punching a neat 8-foot diameter hole in the rear C-Ring Wall.
The time from the missile impact with the E-Ring outer wall to deflection on the D-Ring slab, until finally punching this hole in the rear C-Ring wall was just under a half second. Ninety percent of the columns taken out in this attack were inside a 50-feet diameter circle from the original missile impact zone.
Even these exaggerated 75-feet wide claims are NOT supported by the photographic evidence. This bogus claim that "Computer simulations confirmed the findings." is just more nonsense. If Jim Meigs and his Editors wish to present the thesis that a real 100-ton Jetliner crashed into the Pentagon, then they are required to support that claim with 100-tons of crashed Jetliner evidence.
The PM Editors >> Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University.
These men are LIARS working to lead the 911Truth reader astray using nothing more than nonsense. We have pictures of the kind of damage a real Jetliner can do to a building taken on the same day!
How many readers recognize this picture of the North Tower entry hole? Note even the very tips of the wings are clearly visible, because the Jetliner was traveling at such a high rate of speed.
If 100-tons of Jetliner vaporized over the top of these cable spools (not), then massive temperatures were required that did not even burn the plastic on these spools. Jim Meigs and his entire Editorial Staff have no evidence that over 60 tons of high grade aluminum 'melted' (heh), before even creating a sufficient entry hole in the West Wedge Pentagon wall. Try to imagine what just one ton of melted aluminum might look like and then multiply that by sixty.
The Editors >> The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide — not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet's landing gear, not by the fuselage.
The C-Ring 'exit hole' measures only 8 feet in diameter and this "landing gear" (heh) claim has no basis in reality whatsoever. The massive engines have a much higher density than the fuselage or landing gear, as if their fictitious phantom Jetliner should have the landing gear down anyway.
The PM Editors >> FACT: Some windows near the impact area did indeed survive the crash. But that's what the windows were supposed to do — they're blast-resistant.
This is perhaps the most hilarious claim of all from the PM Editors, because only 'two' second story windows are missing and NONE of the third story windows are even broken. No blast-resistant window invented and built by men can withstand the impact of a 100-ton Jetliner going over 500 miles per hour. Remember the large cable spools sitting directly under the 20-feet diameter entry hole, which point to the 911Truth that any 50-feet tall Jetliner MUST have passed over them.
Raising a real Boeing 757-200 Jetliner up to pass over those spools puts us well into the third floor where none of the windows were even broken. :0) Note the massive tail section is lining up with the fourth floor windows even now, which totally obliterates The Editor's bogus claims without a single word of rebuttal from anyone.
These DoD operatives are not running around picking up 'evidence' at all, but are caught in the act of putting these few small pieces of planted evidence 'down.' Remember again that our original pictures show not even a piece of paper on the pristine Pentagon lawn, so how do you explain the presence of a tiny piece of unburned starboard-side fuselage over 200 feet away on the port side of the crash? The fact that these DoD operatives are even in possession of supposed Flight 77 evidence proves the original crime scene was corrupt from the very beginning. Real Crime Scene Investigators should have been marking the ground and tagging this evidence, before anything was touched and moved by anyone.
Terral L. Croft
911Truth.org (Advisor)
AE911Truth.org
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=8899
lightninboy
Well-known member
DEBUNKING 9/11 DEBUNKING
An Answer to Popular Mechanics and Other Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory
REVISED AND UPDATED EDITION
David Ray Griffin
The evidence that 9/11 was an inside job is overwhelming. Most people who examine this evidence with an open mind find it convincing, or at least profoundly unsettling. There are, however, several widely held beliefs that work to prevent people from examining this evidence with, in Richard Falk's phrase, "even just a 30-percent open mind."1 These beliefs often keep people from examining the evidence at all. I can use myself as a case in point.
Until the spring of 2003, I had not seriously looked at any of the evidence. I was vaguely aware chat there were people, at least on the Internet, who were suggesting a revisionist account of 9/11, according to which US officials were complicit. But I did not take the time to find their websites.
Paradigmatic Thinking, Wishful-and-Fearful Thinking, and the Betrayal of Empiricism
Although we like to think of ourselves as empiricists, who make our judgments on the facts, we tend uncritically to accept explanations that prevent us from having to accept conclusions that would cause great discomfort. I will give several examples.
Incompetence Is a Better Explanation:
Someone Would Have Talked:
Overwhelming Evidence for al-Qaeda's Responsibility:
Fear of Being Labeled:
We know that there have been scientists who were willing to prostitute themselves—to fudge the truth for the sake of money, which in some cases might simply mean to keep their jobs.
Debunking 9/11 Myths:
A Failed Attempt by Popular Mechanics
In March 2005, Popular Mechanics magazine, which is owned by Hearst Magazines, published an article entitled "9/11: Debunking the Myths."
However, far from apologizing, Popular Mechanics in 2006 published a somewhat revised and expanded version of this essay as a book, entitled Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up to the Facts.
The book's many problems begin in its foreword, written by Senator John McCain.
Another difficult question ignored by the PM authors is why al-Qaeda hijackers, who were allegedly brilliant enough to outfox the world's most sophisticated defense system, would have chosen to strike Wedge 1. There are six reasons why this would have been a completely irrational decision.
The PM authors begin their chapter by taking on the claim that Plight 93 was shot down by an F-16 piloted by "Major Rick Gibney." This claim came about through a two-step process: A retired Army colonel, Donn de Grand-Pre, claimed during a radio interview to know the pilot who shot the flight down, saying that he was a member of a North Dakota Air National Guard unit known as the Happy Hooligans; then one website identified the pilot as "Major Rick Gibney."
http://www.911-truthforum.com/Debunking%209-11%20by%20David%20Ray%20Griffin%20-%201.htm
An Answer to Popular Mechanics and Other Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory
REVISED AND UPDATED EDITION
David Ray Griffin
The evidence that 9/11 was an inside job is overwhelming. Most people who examine this evidence with an open mind find it convincing, or at least profoundly unsettling. There are, however, several widely held beliefs that work to prevent people from examining this evidence with, in Richard Falk's phrase, "even just a 30-percent open mind."1 These beliefs often keep people from examining the evidence at all. I can use myself as a case in point.
Until the spring of 2003, I had not seriously looked at any of the evidence. I was vaguely aware chat there were people, at least on the Internet, who were suggesting a revisionist account of 9/11, according to which US officials were complicit. But I did not take the time to find their websites.
Paradigmatic Thinking, Wishful-and-Fearful Thinking, and the Betrayal of Empiricism
Although we like to think of ourselves as empiricists, who make our judgments on the facts, we tend uncritically to accept explanations that prevent us from having to accept conclusions that would cause great discomfort. I will give several examples.
Incompetence Is a Better Explanation:
Someone Would Have Talked:
Overwhelming Evidence for al-Qaeda's Responsibility:
Fear of Being Labeled:
We know that there have been scientists who were willing to prostitute themselves—to fudge the truth for the sake of money, which in some cases might simply mean to keep their jobs.
Debunking 9/11 Myths:
A Failed Attempt by Popular Mechanics
In March 2005, Popular Mechanics magazine, which is owned by Hearst Magazines, published an article entitled "9/11: Debunking the Myths."
However, far from apologizing, Popular Mechanics in 2006 published a somewhat revised and expanded version of this essay as a book, entitled Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up to the Facts.
The book's many problems begin in its foreword, written by Senator John McCain.
Another difficult question ignored by the PM authors is why al-Qaeda hijackers, who were allegedly brilliant enough to outfox the world's most sophisticated defense system, would have chosen to strike Wedge 1. There are six reasons why this would have been a completely irrational decision.
The PM authors begin their chapter by taking on the claim that Plight 93 was shot down by an F-16 piloted by "Major Rick Gibney." This claim came about through a two-step process: A retired Army colonel, Donn de Grand-Pre, claimed during a radio interview to know the pilot who shot the flight down, saying that he was a member of a North Dakota Air National Guard unit known as the Happy Hooligans; then one website identified the pilot as "Major Rick Gibney."
http://www.911-truthforum.com/Debunking%209-11%20by%20David%20Ray%20Griffin%20-%201.htm
hypocritexposer
Well-known member
what does everybody else have planned for travel this summer?
lightninboy
Well-known member
Terral's Blog
May 6, 2007
My name is Terral L. Croft and I am the son of a General Contractor who is also the son of a General Contractor with decades of experience in building demolition and construction. Much of my free time, since the fifth anniversary of 9/11, has been spent gathering and assimilating data on those attacks and the discrepancies between the evidence and the Official Bush Administration Cover Stories.
Go through all of the pictures to realize no 100-ton Jetliner ever crashed in the field outside of Shanksville, Pennsylvania. Nobody on earth can show you the 60 tons of high grade aluminum, the two multi-ton Rolls Royce Engines, fuselage, seats, cargo, tail section or anything else, because no Jetliner ever crashed here.
You are looking at the aftermath of a Tomahawk Missile attack, which left the 'inside' of the Pentagon burning red hot (over cable spools), but the West Wedge wall shielded these spools from the initial blast; which tipped two of those spools back in our direction with the three bent columns.
The Department of Justice is implicated by their involvement with Giuliani in the Biowarfare Tripod 2 exercise, which gave that office and the Department of Defense, the Joint-Chiefs, NORAD and everyone involved 'prior knowledge' of the 9/11 attacks. The 9/11 Commission Fiasco represents the 'insiders' using a ploy in an attempt to 'cover up' their involvement in these crimes against We The People. Senor Bush has been using the War in Iraq to smokescreen and divert our attention away from the 'true terrorists' working within our own Federal and State Governments. This is all about bringing in their North American Union that destroys American Sovereignty while undermining our God-given rights of our US Constitution and Bill of Rights. My model predicts these same 'insider terrorists' will attack again, but this time they will be using a nuclear warhead in their Enhanced 109-A Tomahawk Missile, when operation "Long Reach" strikes the northeastern quadrant of Oakland, California.
http://www.myspace.com/terralcroft/blog/261518297
May 6, 2007
My name is Terral L. Croft and I am the son of a General Contractor who is also the son of a General Contractor with decades of experience in building demolition and construction. Much of my free time, since the fifth anniversary of 9/11, has been spent gathering and assimilating data on those attacks and the discrepancies between the evidence and the Official Bush Administration Cover Stories.
Go through all of the pictures to realize no 100-ton Jetliner ever crashed in the field outside of Shanksville, Pennsylvania. Nobody on earth can show you the 60 tons of high grade aluminum, the two multi-ton Rolls Royce Engines, fuselage, seats, cargo, tail section or anything else, because no Jetliner ever crashed here.
You are looking at the aftermath of a Tomahawk Missile attack, which left the 'inside' of the Pentagon burning red hot (over cable spools), but the West Wedge wall shielded these spools from the initial blast; which tipped two of those spools back in our direction with the three bent columns.
The Department of Justice is implicated by their involvement with Giuliani in the Biowarfare Tripod 2 exercise, which gave that office and the Department of Defense, the Joint-Chiefs, NORAD and everyone involved 'prior knowledge' of the 9/11 attacks. The 9/11 Commission Fiasco represents the 'insiders' using a ploy in an attempt to 'cover up' their involvement in these crimes against We The People. Senor Bush has been using the War in Iraq to smokescreen and divert our attention away from the 'true terrorists' working within our own Federal and State Governments. This is all about bringing in their North American Union that destroys American Sovereignty while undermining our God-given rights of our US Constitution and Bill of Rights. My model predicts these same 'insider terrorists' will attack again, but this time they will be using a nuclear warhead in their Enhanced 109-A Tomahawk Missile, when operation "Long Reach" strikes the northeastern quadrant of Oakland, California.
http://www.myspace.com/terralcroft/blog/261518297
lightninboy
Well-known member
This Is What Really Happened At The Pentagon On 9/11
Terral L. Croft
October 28, 2008
The Pentagon was attacked on 9/11 by a rogue element inside our own military using a plan that almost failed at the very beginning. The inside-job bad guys used a retrofitted radio-controlled A-3 TNT-filled Jet to launch a missile attack at 9:31:39 AM on Column Line (CL) 14 using this flight path, but the complicated maneuvers caused the radio operator to lose control and altitude at the critical moment, which caused the starboard wing to begin clipping the five downed light poles. The radio operator panicked for fear that the painted up A-3 would crash into the Pentagon lawn, so he pulled back on the joystick to create what the CIT boys are calling the "Flyover Plane," NOT at 9:38 AM, but at 9:31:39 AM when the famous Pentagon clocks stopped. The radio operator then began making a wide turn to the north that was witnessed by the C-130 pilot and many other people, until making the final attack strike on the Wedge One Wall between CL 9 and CL 15 at 9:36:27 AM just about 5 minutes later to create Terry Cohen's "Terrible Explosion" that took place 'after' the Original 9:31:39 AM attack.
The problem for our inside-job bad guys is that the Pentagon Limestone-clad masonry wall required the 'inside' explosion from the missile strike, in coordination with the A-3 Jet CL 9-15 massive explosion, to take down the E-Ring roof during the 9:31:39 AM attack run. This attack location was chosen far in advance because of the CL 11 control-joint that would bring down the E-Ring roof very efficiently and effectively. However, the A-3 Jet was forced over the E-Ring roof at 9:31:39 AM and also struck the second story concrete slab in the 9:36:27 AM attack, which means the E-Ring roof fell just one foot (look carefully at the control joint above the fire truck) to become wedged tightly against the northern side of CL-11. Our inside-job bad guys then had a terrible problem, because many explosive charges were needed to eventually bring the E-Ring Roof down at 10:15:16 AM about 45 minutes after the original missile attack.
This means the inside-job bad guys had to go around fabricating the many different "Official Timelines" that are filled with contradictions in order to give their fake "Flight 77" Cover Story the resemblance of credibility. The inside-job bad guys have been working everyday running their counterintelligence disinformation campaigns to cover their tracks from that time to today.
Lloyd England's taxi was struck by Pole #1 during the 9:31:39 AM missile strike, which is the reason he saw a single smoke plume from the original small CL 13-15 entry hole. While he and his partner were wrestling around with the light pole, then the A-3 Jet created the "Big Boom" that knocked him down and almost killed him for the second time in just 5 minutes. Many people think the light pole evidence was staged, because they are BLIND to the 911Truth that we have been looking at 'two attacks' all along. The second 'Big Boom' happened 5 minutes later at 9:36:27 AM, while Lloyd and his helper were removing the pole from his windshield. The next series of explosions started at 9:42 AM, which is event #20 on my Pentagon Timeline here.
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16510&st=0
The reason you have so much confusion and contradiction between all these Pentagon witnesses is because 'some' of them saw the 9:31:39 AM A-3 Flyover and others saw the actual Jet hit the Pentagon at 9:36:27 AM like these two witnesses:
Michael Kelly
Don Wright
The 9:31:39 AM witnesses saw the A-3 disappear into the single smoke plume on the 'South-of-Citgo' Flight Path, while the 9:36:27 witnesses saw the same painted-up Jet crash into the Pentagon wall using the "North-of-Citgo" Fight Path shown here. The 9:31:39 AM witnesses saw the light poles flying around, but the 9:36:27 AM people saw no signs of any light poles being hit along the North-of-Citgo Flight Path. That is the reason some so-called Pentagon Investigators think the light pole evidence is all staged. We have small bits of Jet debris, because the A-3 was blown into a kazillion bits at impact. Nobody has ever found one piece of any real Boeing 757-200 Jetliner debris, because this damage and this damage was NOT created by any real 100-Ton Jetliner going any 530 miles per hour. That is the reason no 'time-change' parts have ever been produced by the inside-job FBI/Bushie Administration bad guys in the first place. The damage pattern is consistent with a 'three attack' scenario from the 9:31:39 AM missile strike, the 9:36:27 AM Jet attack 'and' the subsequent Controlled-Demolition Explosions that eventually brought the E-Ring roof down at 10:15 AM.
"This" Pentagon explanation came from years of a 'real' 911Truth Investigation weighing all the facts in the case.
I encourage everyone here to try and find a single error or contradiction in the Opening Post using whatever you call credible evidence. I am the guy who 'knows' the 911Truth about the empty hole in Shanksville and the nonexistent AA77 at the Pentagon and the WTC cases.
Here are some better pictures of the victims.
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/photos/humanremains.html
If the entire 100-Ton Jetliner vaporized into thin air in under .39 seconds, then how do you have dead victim bodies intact without a single broken bone? Your victim appears to be sitting in the reclined position like a typical passenger leaning backwards in his seat on a typical Jetliner flight. However, note that the burns are concentrated in the chest area with his lower body receiving only smoke damage. The muscles, ligaments and tendons are all contracted in the hands, forearms and upper arm segments from overexposure to the same heat source that was concentrated only in the chest region. To begin dispelling the many myths of the Official Cover Story, then the first thing to realize is that AA77 never even took off on 9/11. There are no tail numbers and no actual departure times for AA11 and AA77 on 9/11, as both flights were cancelled. Anyone can go to the Bureau Of Transportation Statistics (here) and begin your own search for these two flights and obtain the very same results. Click on 'Departures' and fill out the data for 9/11/2001, Washington, Dulles International and see what you get. The Official Cover Story includes two Jetliners (AA11 and AA77) that never even took off on 9/11, which gives you some idea of the magnitude of the Official Cover Story LIE that has been sold to We The People and the world. Then check out the NTSB Official Report (03/07/2006) saying that AA77 was 'Destroyed.' Again, if AA77 was completely "Destroyed", then how do we have victims leaning 'backwards' in seats without a single broken bone in the first place? Even the casual reader to this thread should realize that the Official Cover Story makes no sense at all and that a LOT of people in authority are deliberately looking the other way. So, if you really want to know how these victims died, then here we go:
First of all, everyone should realize that the FAA grounded all flights on 9/11 and some of those flights landed Wright Patterson airport in Southern Ohio.
The reason your victim has all bones intact and is leaning backwards in his seat is because a Jetliner was selected at random, pulled out of line, taken behind the aircraft hangers at Wright Patterson Airport for all the passengers and crew to be gassed unconscious. The inside-job bad guys then began creating their AA77 victim evidence by torching victims to simulate 'burning' from a fire in a Jetliner crash, even though they forgot to create the simulated 'impact' damage in their haste. The evidence was then shipped to the temporary morgue at the Air Force Base in Dover, Delaware. The inside-job bad guys purposely directed all of these victim remains to a single location, so the FBI/DoD Ops could mix and match DNA evidence to any story they created. The doctors had no idea if the remains came from the Pentagon, the Wright Patterson Airport or Timbuktu, which allowed Rumsfeld to invent any Cover Story from the accumulated evidence. This allowed the DoD inside-job rogue element to go around exterminating any key witnesses that stood in their way 'and' the DNA was simply tossed into the pile and these people had seats on the AA jetliners that never even took off on 9/11.
Everyone should be reminded that the FBI/DoD inside-job bad guys have never turned over a single time-change part from any of the four Jetliners that supposedly crashed on 9/11. Then you should realize that these 110 military experts are all calling for a new 9/11 investigation starting with General Wesley Clark. Everyone should take the few minutes to review the 'expert testimony' video evidence that AA77 never crashed into the Pentagon to realize the Official Cover Story makes no sense at all. Then you should think about waking up to the realization that the same people who own the privately-owned central bank also carried out these 9/11 attacks 'and' they are orchestrating the current Global Financial Crisis in order to enslave you through their upcoming New World Order.
Competent 911Truthers gather the information for their own investigations allowing the chips to fall where they may.
My view is there is 'one' and only 'one' 911Truth and everything else is A LIE. Either you 'know' the 911Truth, or anyone with an explanation is passing off something else.
The WTC case and the controlled demolition of those skyscrapers have NOTHING to do with any crashing Jetliner, kerosene (Jet fuel is kerosene) or anything remotely related to any Jetliner at all. My interpretation of the evidence says that Flight 93 was supposed to hit WTC-7, but the 'Inside-Job Plan' went haywire and the inside-job bad guys had to improvise. Was WTC-7 hit by any jetliner? No. And yet, the 47-story skyscraper collapsed at freefall speed like WTC-1 and WTC-2. Do the math . . .
I really do not spend much time writing on these 911Truth topics anymore, but you are welcome to post links to my work.
There are "five extremely sophisticated anti-missile batteries in place to protect the Pentagon from an airborne attack", but the inside-job bad guys disabled the system under Cheney's 'stand down' order.
The inside-job bad guys carried out assassinations (Carol Valentine's story) for days after these 9/11 attacks 'and' certain victims were assigned seats on these bogus Jetliners part of their counterintelligence/disinformation cover up campaign. Barbara Olson had a big mouth and paid the price for being someone who could possibly blow the inside-job bad guy's cover.
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=67170.0
Terral L. Croft
October 28, 2008
The Pentagon was attacked on 9/11 by a rogue element inside our own military using a plan that almost failed at the very beginning. The inside-job bad guys used a retrofitted radio-controlled A-3 TNT-filled Jet to launch a missile attack at 9:31:39 AM on Column Line (CL) 14 using this flight path, but the complicated maneuvers caused the radio operator to lose control and altitude at the critical moment, which caused the starboard wing to begin clipping the five downed light poles. The radio operator panicked for fear that the painted up A-3 would crash into the Pentagon lawn, so he pulled back on the joystick to create what the CIT boys are calling the "Flyover Plane," NOT at 9:38 AM, but at 9:31:39 AM when the famous Pentagon clocks stopped. The radio operator then began making a wide turn to the north that was witnessed by the C-130 pilot and many other people, until making the final attack strike on the Wedge One Wall between CL 9 and CL 15 at 9:36:27 AM just about 5 minutes later to create Terry Cohen's "Terrible Explosion" that took place 'after' the Original 9:31:39 AM attack.
The problem for our inside-job bad guys is that the Pentagon Limestone-clad masonry wall required the 'inside' explosion from the missile strike, in coordination with the A-3 Jet CL 9-15 massive explosion, to take down the E-Ring roof during the 9:31:39 AM attack run. This attack location was chosen far in advance because of the CL 11 control-joint that would bring down the E-Ring roof very efficiently and effectively. However, the A-3 Jet was forced over the E-Ring roof at 9:31:39 AM and also struck the second story concrete slab in the 9:36:27 AM attack, which means the E-Ring roof fell just one foot (look carefully at the control joint above the fire truck) to become wedged tightly against the northern side of CL-11. Our inside-job bad guys then had a terrible problem, because many explosive charges were needed to eventually bring the E-Ring Roof down at 10:15:16 AM about 45 minutes after the original missile attack.
This means the inside-job bad guys had to go around fabricating the many different "Official Timelines" that are filled with contradictions in order to give their fake "Flight 77" Cover Story the resemblance of credibility. The inside-job bad guys have been working everyday running their counterintelligence disinformation campaigns to cover their tracks from that time to today.
Lloyd England's taxi was struck by Pole #1 during the 9:31:39 AM missile strike, which is the reason he saw a single smoke plume from the original small CL 13-15 entry hole. While he and his partner were wrestling around with the light pole, then the A-3 Jet created the "Big Boom" that knocked him down and almost killed him for the second time in just 5 minutes. Many people think the light pole evidence was staged, because they are BLIND to the 911Truth that we have been looking at 'two attacks' all along. The second 'Big Boom' happened 5 minutes later at 9:36:27 AM, while Lloyd and his helper were removing the pole from his windshield. The next series of explosions started at 9:42 AM, which is event #20 on my Pentagon Timeline here.
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16510&st=0
The reason you have so much confusion and contradiction between all these Pentagon witnesses is because 'some' of them saw the 9:31:39 AM A-3 Flyover and others saw the actual Jet hit the Pentagon at 9:36:27 AM like these two witnesses:
Michael Kelly
Don Wright
The 9:31:39 AM witnesses saw the A-3 disappear into the single smoke plume on the 'South-of-Citgo' Flight Path, while the 9:36:27 witnesses saw the same painted-up Jet crash into the Pentagon wall using the "North-of-Citgo" Fight Path shown here. The 9:31:39 AM witnesses saw the light poles flying around, but the 9:36:27 AM people saw no signs of any light poles being hit along the North-of-Citgo Flight Path. That is the reason some so-called Pentagon Investigators think the light pole evidence is all staged. We have small bits of Jet debris, because the A-3 was blown into a kazillion bits at impact. Nobody has ever found one piece of any real Boeing 757-200 Jetliner debris, because this damage and this damage was NOT created by any real 100-Ton Jetliner going any 530 miles per hour. That is the reason no 'time-change' parts have ever been produced by the inside-job FBI/Bushie Administration bad guys in the first place. The damage pattern is consistent with a 'three attack' scenario from the 9:31:39 AM missile strike, the 9:36:27 AM Jet attack 'and' the subsequent Controlled-Demolition Explosions that eventually brought the E-Ring roof down at 10:15 AM.
"This" Pentagon explanation came from years of a 'real' 911Truth Investigation weighing all the facts in the case.
I encourage everyone here to try and find a single error or contradiction in the Opening Post using whatever you call credible evidence. I am the guy who 'knows' the 911Truth about the empty hole in Shanksville and the nonexistent AA77 at the Pentagon and the WTC cases.
Here are some better pictures of the victims.
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/photos/humanremains.html
If the entire 100-Ton Jetliner vaporized into thin air in under .39 seconds, then how do you have dead victim bodies intact without a single broken bone? Your victim appears to be sitting in the reclined position like a typical passenger leaning backwards in his seat on a typical Jetliner flight. However, note that the burns are concentrated in the chest area with his lower body receiving only smoke damage. The muscles, ligaments and tendons are all contracted in the hands, forearms and upper arm segments from overexposure to the same heat source that was concentrated only in the chest region. To begin dispelling the many myths of the Official Cover Story, then the first thing to realize is that AA77 never even took off on 9/11. There are no tail numbers and no actual departure times for AA11 and AA77 on 9/11, as both flights were cancelled. Anyone can go to the Bureau Of Transportation Statistics (here) and begin your own search for these two flights and obtain the very same results. Click on 'Departures' and fill out the data for 9/11/2001, Washington, Dulles International and see what you get. The Official Cover Story includes two Jetliners (AA11 and AA77) that never even took off on 9/11, which gives you some idea of the magnitude of the Official Cover Story LIE that has been sold to We The People and the world. Then check out the NTSB Official Report (03/07/2006) saying that AA77 was 'Destroyed.' Again, if AA77 was completely "Destroyed", then how do we have victims leaning 'backwards' in seats without a single broken bone in the first place? Even the casual reader to this thread should realize that the Official Cover Story makes no sense at all and that a LOT of people in authority are deliberately looking the other way. So, if you really want to know how these victims died, then here we go:
First of all, everyone should realize that the FAA grounded all flights on 9/11 and some of those flights landed Wright Patterson airport in Southern Ohio.
The reason your victim has all bones intact and is leaning backwards in his seat is because a Jetliner was selected at random, pulled out of line, taken behind the aircraft hangers at Wright Patterson Airport for all the passengers and crew to be gassed unconscious. The inside-job bad guys then began creating their AA77 victim evidence by torching victims to simulate 'burning' from a fire in a Jetliner crash, even though they forgot to create the simulated 'impact' damage in their haste. The evidence was then shipped to the temporary morgue at the Air Force Base in Dover, Delaware. The inside-job bad guys purposely directed all of these victim remains to a single location, so the FBI/DoD Ops could mix and match DNA evidence to any story they created. The doctors had no idea if the remains came from the Pentagon, the Wright Patterson Airport or Timbuktu, which allowed Rumsfeld to invent any Cover Story from the accumulated evidence. This allowed the DoD inside-job rogue element to go around exterminating any key witnesses that stood in their way 'and' the DNA was simply tossed into the pile and these people had seats on the AA jetliners that never even took off on 9/11.
Everyone should be reminded that the FBI/DoD inside-job bad guys have never turned over a single time-change part from any of the four Jetliners that supposedly crashed on 9/11. Then you should realize that these 110 military experts are all calling for a new 9/11 investigation starting with General Wesley Clark. Everyone should take the few minutes to review the 'expert testimony' video evidence that AA77 never crashed into the Pentagon to realize the Official Cover Story makes no sense at all. Then you should think about waking up to the realization that the same people who own the privately-owned central bank also carried out these 9/11 attacks 'and' they are orchestrating the current Global Financial Crisis in order to enslave you through their upcoming New World Order.
Competent 911Truthers gather the information for their own investigations allowing the chips to fall where they may.
My view is there is 'one' and only 'one' 911Truth and everything else is A LIE. Either you 'know' the 911Truth, or anyone with an explanation is passing off something else.
The WTC case and the controlled demolition of those skyscrapers have NOTHING to do with any crashing Jetliner, kerosene (Jet fuel is kerosene) or anything remotely related to any Jetliner at all. My interpretation of the evidence says that Flight 93 was supposed to hit WTC-7, but the 'Inside-Job Plan' went haywire and the inside-job bad guys had to improvise. Was WTC-7 hit by any jetliner? No. And yet, the 47-story skyscraper collapsed at freefall speed like WTC-1 and WTC-2. Do the math . . .
I really do not spend much time writing on these 911Truth topics anymore, but you are welcome to post links to my work.
There are "five extremely sophisticated anti-missile batteries in place to protect the Pentagon from an airborne attack", but the inside-job bad guys disabled the system under Cheney's 'stand down' order.
The inside-job bad guys carried out assassinations (Carol Valentine's story) for days after these 9/11 attacks 'and' certain victims were assigned seats on these bogus Jetliners part of their counterintelligence/disinformation cover up campaign. Barbara Olson had a big mouth and paid the price for being someone who could possibly blow the inside-job bad guy's cover.
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=67170.0
hypocritexposer
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Everyone needs a holiday, that's for sure.
How many will be attending the local fair?
How many will be attending the local fair?
Larrry
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I have a wedding to go to so will miss the fair
lightninboy
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Pentagon Struck By Tomahawk Missile And Plane
Terral L. Croft
September 21, 2007
The Pentagon was attacked at 9:31:39 AM by a Supersonic "L-Pill Carrying" Missile and again at 9:36:27 AM by a Refitted Remote-controlled A-3 Custom Jet in a second attack. Strike was carried out under cover of a Big Decoy Flyover Plane that caught every eye, as the massive roaring engines caught every ear, so nobody realized the pre-9:32 AM First Explosion was created by a missile. The released security frames show a 20-inch diameter missile on final approach on a 45-degree trajectory heading about to strike the Pentagon. The Department of Defense has been running a cover up operation from the very beginning in a case literally filled to the brim with carefully planted disinformation to throw 911Truth investigators off the track. The Official Government/Media timeline has been manipulated and purposely fabricated to give credibility and believability to a Flight 77 HOAX with no basis in reality whatsoever. Official Pentagon 9/11 pictures have been photoshopped to conceal the 911Truth that the E-Ring wall was struck not once, but twice in two separate attacks just five minutes apart.
This story begins with evidence from the Arlington County After-Action Report that "Captain Steve McCoy and the crew of Engine 101 were in route to a training session" traveling north on Interstate 395. At 9:38 AM they were talking about the World Trade Center attacks and saw a Jetliner disappear from sight with an explosion. However, they were "unable to pinpoint the precise location," because at that point only "on station" Foam 161 fire crew had knowledge of the 9:31:39 AM Missile Strike attack, even though the firemen thought the Decoy Plane struck the Pentagon.
The report says,
"Captain Dennis Gilroy and his team were already on station at the Pentagon when Flight #77 (not) slammed into it, just beyond the heliport. Foam 161 caught fire and suffered a flat tire from flying debris. Firefighters Mark Skipper and Alan Wallace were outside the vehicle at impact and received burns and lacerations."
Alan Wallace and Mark Skipper were injured during the 9:31:39 AM Decoy Flyover Plane / Missile Strike where they ran 'north' with their backs facing the E-Ring Column Line (CL) 14 location at the moment of missile impact. These 'on station' firefighters hid under their vehicles parked just north of the Heliport location, until driven out by the massive fires created by the 9:36:27 AM A-3 Jet attack. Fort Myer Rescue Engine 161 (second truck from Foam 161) is mentioned in this Public Action Report:
"The ARFF foam units knocked down the bulk of the fire in the first seven minutes after their arrival, said Captain Michael Defina, who was the shift commander that day at National . . . Captain Defina drove onto the heliport and directed Foam Unit 331 to set up there, where Fort Myer Rescue Engine161 had established a hydrant water supply."
http://www.public-action.com/911/rescue/nfpa-article/
The problem with both reports is they tell the story from perspectives other than from the vantage point of Fort Myer Foam 161 that was "on station"
http://arlingtonfirejournal.blogspot.com/2006/02/on-duty-911-at-pentagon.html
and at the scene 'before' the 9:38 AM timelines established by 'others' coming along after the original 9:31:39 AM Missile Strike. The Fort Meyer "Foam 161" engine was parked outside the Heliport Garage earlier that morning with Alan Wallace and Mark Skipper "outside the vehicle" when the Decoy Flyover Plane entered Pentagon airspace for the 'first' attack. The released Pentagon Security frames have been censored to remove 2 frames and conceal the 9:31:39 AM Decoy Flyover Plane evidence, but the Large Plane cast a shadow on Citgo Station Security Camera #7
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/CITGO_CLIP.gif
at exactly 9:31:39 AM, when you allow for the security system running exactly 10 minutes fast. The FAA Timeline includes the 9:32 AM aircraft crash
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB165/faa5.pdf
part of their Official Timeline, because this marks the time the Pentagon was first attacked to stop these Pentagon clocks.
This 9:31:39 AM fire/smoke plume is limited to the direct area surrounding the 18-feet diameter entry hole where Terry Cohen stood just minutes after the initial attack.
Terry Cohen is a construction supervisor attending a meeting inside one of the construction trailers just 100 feet away from the E-Ring CL 14 location inside the construction fence. She reports seeing "Just Smoke" several times in this interview with no mention of the massive 9:36:27 AM 'fires' created by the "Terrible Explosion" that was Lloyd's "Big Boom"
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78448
taking place five minutes 'after' his original Pole #1 adventures began from the 9:31:39 AM Decoy Plane / Missile Strike. However, this picture shows evidence of a much wider attack running far north of the E-ring entry hole where the 'second' Jet attack created a 300-feet long series of massive fires. The Foam 161 crewmen ("Mark Skipper and Alan Wallace") were reported to be in a state of "shock" after the 9:31:39 AM Missile Strike, so I am not even sure if they realize today that the 'fires' came from a second attack. By the time they recovered, the landscape was filled with fire, fire trucks and firemen; so they began assisting people evacuating the area, while trying to recover from their injuries and the initial shock.
Voltairenet.org
http://www.voltairenet.org/The-Pentagon-magic-plane-part-2
makes the same 'smoke only / fire' observations using this picture in the middle of the page where you can find plenty of "missile commentary" to support my case.
Jack White's 911 Photo Studies
http://www.911studies.com/911photostudies1.htm
http://www.911studies.com/911photostudies43.htm
http://www.911studies.com/911photostudies66.htm
http://www.911studies.com/911photostudies72.htm
http://www.911studies.com/911photostudies92.htm
Nobody else knew the precise location of the attack EXCEPT for Engine 161, because they were the only truck to respond to the 'earlier' 9:32 attack. The truck was on the scene and the men were out of the truck when BAMMMMM here comes the little plane. If you want to deny the reports and that firemen were injured by the plane, that is okay by me. However, what is the reason Engine 161 was on the scene with men out of the truck in the first place? They obviously were not responding to the plane crash, because they beat the plane to the Pentagon!
This particular Enhanced 109-A Tomahawk Missile descended from 7000 feet in 2.5 minutes to hit the Wedge One E-Ring Column Line 14 nail on the head just five feet off the ground. I believe this particular Tomahawk Missile was going about 550 MPH on the final approach. While the speed and Decoy Flyover fooled most of the potential eyewitnesses, the enlarged bow shockwave gave away the south flight path trajectory heading by knocking down the 5 'breakaway' poles not even part of the plan.
The time here is 9:32 AM and the precise time of the 'flyover' intended to distract attention away from the 'missile strike.' Everyone had their eyes on the PLANE and the flying light poles and most people never saw the missile at all, OR the fire and smoke plume.
http://s10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/ar/t16120.htm
Terral L. Croft
September 21, 2007
The Pentagon was attacked at 9:31:39 AM by a Supersonic "L-Pill Carrying" Missile and again at 9:36:27 AM by a Refitted Remote-controlled A-3 Custom Jet in a second attack. Strike was carried out under cover of a Big Decoy Flyover Plane that caught every eye, as the massive roaring engines caught every ear, so nobody realized the pre-9:32 AM First Explosion was created by a missile. The released security frames show a 20-inch diameter missile on final approach on a 45-degree trajectory heading about to strike the Pentagon. The Department of Defense has been running a cover up operation from the very beginning in a case literally filled to the brim with carefully planted disinformation to throw 911Truth investigators off the track. The Official Government/Media timeline has been manipulated and purposely fabricated to give credibility and believability to a Flight 77 HOAX with no basis in reality whatsoever. Official Pentagon 9/11 pictures have been photoshopped to conceal the 911Truth that the E-Ring wall was struck not once, but twice in two separate attacks just five minutes apart.
This story begins with evidence from the Arlington County After-Action Report that "Captain Steve McCoy and the crew of Engine 101 were in route to a training session" traveling north on Interstate 395. At 9:38 AM they were talking about the World Trade Center attacks and saw a Jetliner disappear from sight with an explosion. However, they were "unable to pinpoint the precise location," because at that point only "on station" Foam 161 fire crew had knowledge of the 9:31:39 AM Missile Strike attack, even though the firemen thought the Decoy Plane struck the Pentagon.
The report says,
"Captain Dennis Gilroy and his team were already on station at the Pentagon when Flight #77 (not) slammed into it, just beyond the heliport. Foam 161 caught fire and suffered a flat tire from flying debris. Firefighters Mark Skipper and Alan Wallace were outside the vehicle at impact and received burns and lacerations."
Alan Wallace and Mark Skipper were injured during the 9:31:39 AM Decoy Flyover Plane / Missile Strike where they ran 'north' with their backs facing the E-Ring Column Line (CL) 14 location at the moment of missile impact. These 'on station' firefighters hid under their vehicles parked just north of the Heliport location, until driven out by the massive fires created by the 9:36:27 AM A-3 Jet attack. Fort Myer Rescue Engine 161 (second truck from Foam 161) is mentioned in this Public Action Report:
"The ARFF foam units knocked down the bulk of the fire in the first seven minutes after their arrival, said Captain Michael Defina, who was the shift commander that day at National . . . Captain Defina drove onto the heliport and directed Foam Unit 331 to set up there, where Fort Myer Rescue Engine161 had established a hydrant water supply."
http://www.public-action.com/911/rescue/nfpa-article/
The problem with both reports is they tell the story from perspectives other than from the vantage point of Fort Myer Foam 161 that was "on station"
http://arlingtonfirejournal.blogspot.com/2006/02/on-duty-911-at-pentagon.html
and at the scene 'before' the 9:38 AM timelines established by 'others' coming along after the original 9:31:39 AM Missile Strike. The Fort Meyer "Foam 161" engine was parked outside the Heliport Garage earlier that morning with Alan Wallace and Mark Skipper "outside the vehicle" when the Decoy Flyover Plane entered Pentagon airspace for the 'first' attack. The released Pentagon Security frames have been censored to remove 2 frames and conceal the 9:31:39 AM Decoy Flyover Plane evidence, but the Large Plane cast a shadow on Citgo Station Security Camera #7
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/CITGO_CLIP.gif
at exactly 9:31:39 AM, when you allow for the security system running exactly 10 minutes fast. The FAA Timeline includes the 9:32 AM aircraft crash
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB165/faa5.pdf
part of their Official Timeline, because this marks the time the Pentagon was first attacked to stop these Pentagon clocks.
This 9:31:39 AM fire/smoke plume is limited to the direct area surrounding the 18-feet diameter entry hole where Terry Cohen stood just minutes after the initial attack.
Terry Cohen is a construction supervisor attending a meeting inside one of the construction trailers just 100 feet away from the E-Ring CL 14 location inside the construction fence. She reports seeing "Just Smoke" several times in this interview with no mention of the massive 9:36:27 AM 'fires' created by the "Terrible Explosion" that was Lloyd's "Big Boom"
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78448
taking place five minutes 'after' his original Pole #1 adventures began from the 9:31:39 AM Decoy Plane / Missile Strike. However, this picture shows evidence of a much wider attack running far north of the E-ring entry hole where the 'second' Jet attack created a 300-feet long series of massive fires. The Foam 161 crewmen ("Mark Skipper and Alan Wallace") were reported to be in a state of "shock" after the 9:31:39 AM Missile Strike, so I am not even sure if they realize today that the 'fires' came from a second attack. By the time they recovered, the landscape was filled with fire, fire trucks and firemen; so they began assisting people evacuating the area, while trying to recover from their injuries and the initial shock.
Voltairenet.org
http://www.voltairenet.org/The-Pentagon-magic-plane-part-2
makes the same 'smoke only / fire' observations using this picture in the middle of the page where you can find plenty of "missile commentary" to support my case.
Jack White's 911 Photo Studies
http://www.911studies.com/911photostudies1.htm
http://www.911studies.com/911photostudies43.htm
http://www.911studies.com/911photostudies66.htm
http://www.911studies.com/911photostudies72.htm
http://www.911studies.com/911photostudies92.htm
Nobody else knew the precise location of the attack EXCEPT for Engine 161, because they were the only truck to respond to the 'earlier' 9:32 attack. The truck was on the scene and the men were out of the truck when BAMMMMM here comes the little plane. If you want to deny the reports and that firemen were injured by the plane, that is okay by me. However, what is the reason Engine 161 was on the scene with men out of the truck in the first place? They obviously were not responding to the plane crash, because they beat the plane to the Pentagon!
This particular Enhanced 109-A Tomahawk Missile descended from 7000 feet in 2.5 minutes to hit the Wedge One E-Ring Column Line 14 nail on the head just five feet off the ground. I believe this particular Tomahawk Missile was going about 550 MPH on the final approach. While the speed and Decoy Flyover fooled most of the potential eyewitnesses, the enlarged bow shockwave gave away the south flight path trajectory heading by knocking down the 5 'breakaway' poles not even part of the plan.
The time here is 9:32 AM and the precise time of the 'flyover' intended to distract attention away from the 'missile strike.' Everyone had their eyes on the PLANE and the flying light poles and most people never saw the missile at all, OR the fire and smoke plume.
http://s10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/ar/t16120.htm
lightninboy
Well-known member
Terral L. Croft
Oct 13 2007
Several changes have been made to the OP Pentagon Timeline in light of new evidence.
Therefore, my current Pentagon 9/11 Timeline looks like this:
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My current 8:00 AM to 10:38* AM Pentagon Timeline is as follows:
1. 8:10 AM American Airlines Flight #77 departs Washing Dulles International Airport
2. 9:20 AM FBI is notified that Flight 77 has been hijacked
3. 9:25 AM 109-A Tomahawk Missile is launched from unknown location in Atlantic Ocean
4. 9:31:39 AM Decoy Flyover Plane covers Missile Attack at Column 14 on South Flight Path splitting Route 27 Cloverleaf
4.1 9:31:39 AM Citgo Security Camera #7 catches Decoy Shadow
4.2 9:31:39 AM Pole #1 taken down by Missile 'bow shockwave' lands on Lloyd's taxi cab
4.3 9:31:39 AM Missile Bow Shockwave takes down Poles 3, 4 and 5.
4.4 9:31:39 AM Tomahawk Missile Strikes Wedge One Column Line 14 of E-Ring Wall
4.5 9:31:39 AM Battery powered Navy Clock stops ticking
4.6 9:31:40 AM Decoy Plane clips Pole #2
5.1 9:31:40 AM Missile Nose section careens off D-Ring Slab creating 8-feet hole in rear C-Ring wall
5.2 9:31:40 AM Foam 161 firemen running north are injured near Heliport
6.0 9:32 AM Double Tree Security Video sees Decoy Plane / Explosion
6.1 9:32 AM Secret Service suddenly rushes Bush from Florida school library
6.2 9:32 AM The firefighters are suddenly ordered out of WTC 1
6.3 9:32 AM The New York Stock Exchange is ordered closed
6.4 9:32 AM The takeover of Flight 93 begins
7. 9:36:27 AM A-3 Skywarrior Jet crashes between Column Line 8 and 13 at base of E-Ring wall
8. 9:36:29 AM Lloyd and his helper turn around to witness Small Jet "Big Boom" crash
9. 9:37 AM Foam* Unit 161 firemen try run farther away to escape escalating fire and heat
10. 9:38 AM Captain Defina (Reagan shift commander) orders response by Foam Unit 331 and SERV-329
11. 9:41 AM Captain Defina enters the Pentagon's south parking lot with Engine 105 on his bumper
12. 9:43 AM Captain Defina orders Foam Unit 331 to set up where Engine 161 established a hydrant supply of water
13. 9:43 AM Massive explosion throws fire and smoke from the entry hole as DoD attempts to bring E-Ring roof down
14. 9:55 AM Captain Gibbs evacuates Impact Area
15. 9:55 AM Firefighters interrupted operations, abandoned equipment, shut off hoses, and ran to protected areas
16. 10:00-10:15 AM Explosions continue shaking the Pentagon in DoD vain attempts to bring E-Ring roof down
17. 10:15 AM Chief Schwartz orders full evacuation over warnings of approaching hijacked aircraft
*18. 10:15 AM E-Ring roof collapses 10:15 AM
19. 10:38 AM Chief Schwarts sounds all clear, ending first evacuation
20. 10:38 AM Firemen reengage the Pentagon fire
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16510&st=20
Oct 13 2007
Several changes have been made to the OP Pentagon Timeline in light of new evidence.
Therefore, my current Pentagon 9/11 Timeline looks like this:
------------------------
My current 8:00 AM to 10:38* AM Pentagon Timeline is as follows:
1. 8:10 AM American Airlines Flight #77 departs Washing Dulles International Airport
2. 9:20 AM FBI is notified that Flight 77 has been hijacked
3. 9:25 AM 109-A Tomahawk Missile is launched from unknown location in Atlantic Ocean
4. 9:31:39 AM Decoy Flyover Plane covers Missile Attack at Column 14 on South Flight Path splitting Route 27 Cloverleaf
4.1 9:31:39 AM Citgo Security Camera #7 catches Decoy Shadow
4.2 9:31:39 AM Pole #1 taken down by Missile 'bow shockwave' lands on Lloyd's taxi cab
4.3 9:31:39 AM Missile Bow Shockwave takes down Poles 3, 4 and 5.
4.4 9:31:39 AM Tomahawk Missile Strikes Wedge One Column Line 14 of E-Ring Wall
4.5 9:31:39 AM Battery powered Navy Clock stops ticking
4.6 9:31:40 AM Decoy Plane clips Pole #2
5.1 9:31:40 AM Missile Nose section careens off D-Ring Slab creating 8-feet hole in rear C-Ring wall
5.2 9:31:40 AM Foam 161 firemen running north are injured near Heliport
6.0 9:32 AM Double Tree Security Video sees Decoy Plane / Explosion
6.1 9:32 AM Secret Service suddenly rushes Bush from Florida school library
6.2 9:32 AM The firefighters are suddenly ordered out of WTC 1
6.3 9:32 AM The New York Stock Exchange is ordered closed
6.4 9:32 AM The takeover of Flight 93 begins
7. 9:36:27 AM A-3 Skywarrior Jet crashes between Column Line 8 and 13 at base of E-Ring wall
8. 9:36:29 AM Lloyd and his helper turn around to witness Small Jet "Big Boom" crash
9. 9:37 AM Foam* Unit 161 firemen try run farther away to escape escalating fire and heat
10. 9:38 AM Captain Defina (Reagan shift commander) orders response by Foam Unit 331 and SERV-329
11. 9:41 AM Captain Defina enters the Pentagon's south parking lot with Engine 105 on his bumper
12. 9:43 AM Captain Defina orders Foam Unit 331 to set up where Engine 161 established a hydrant supply of water
13. 9:43 AM Massive explosion throws fire and smoke from the entry hole as DoD attempts to bring E-Ring roof down
14. 9:55 AM Captain Gibbs evacuates Impact Area
15. 9:55 AM Firefighters interrupted operations, abandoned equipment, shut off hoses, and ran to protected areas
16. 10:00-10:15 AM Explosions continue shaking the Pentagon in DoD vain attempts to bring E-Ring roof down
17. 10:15 AM Chief Schwartz orders full evacuation over warnings of approaching hijacked aircraft
*18. 10:15 AM E-Ring roof collapses 10:15 AM
19. 10:38 AM Chief Schwarts sounds all clear, ending first evacuation
20. 10:38 AM Firemen reengage the Pentagon fire
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=16510&st=20
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When is the fair up there, hypo?
Ours isn't until the middle of August.
Ours isn't until the middle of August.