Is Brokeback suitable viewing for a twelve year old???

[CattleArmy]

Excellent post, Hanta.

CattleArmy, I happen to have a very close friend who is gay.
He is a very, very dear friend of our family.
He doesn't FLAUNT it, in fact, I don't think he even knows
we know. He is very discreet and a wonderful person.

So there. :x

So what it's better to live a lie and have your friends comfortable then be the true you? :?

 

[Faster horses]

Oh he is true to himself. He doesn't NEED to have everyone know.
What's it to you how he conducts himself anyway?

Being gay is NO ONE'S business unless someone wants everyone to know.
Apparently he does not. He is okay with that, so are we.

 

[aplusmnt]

what fries my brain is the cartoon shows on tv. ADULT cartoons. family guy, american dad, or south park, all hit on topics that are borderline obscene, and kids are attracted to the "cartoon"..... really p***** me off.

Glad you did not mention King of the Hill, I am not much of a cartoon watcher but King of the Hill cracks me up, Good old conservative Hank Hill got to love him.

As for Brokeback mountain, not suitable for anyone let alone a 12 year old. Hate they called it a cowboy movie, it was about sheep herders not cowboys.

My kids have never watched a Rated R movie and no teacher better ever show them one. (Disclaimer: I am sure my 17 year old has by now but not by my hand)

 

[aplusmnt]

They wouldn't have to stay in the closest if society wasn't so quick to judge and didn't make them fearful for their safety.

Being gay is not like being black or being Jewish. It is a sexual lifestyle much like a pedophile a person into S&M, foot fetishes, Bestiality etc....

Just as they have the right to be that way if they choose we have the right to hate the lifestyles that they live.

God even wiped out two whole cities for that kind of crap.

 

[nonothing]

They wouldn't have to stay in the closest if society wasn't so quick to judge and didn't make them fearful for their safety.

Being gay is not like being black or being Jewish. It is a sexual lifestyle much like a pedophile a person into S&M, foot fetishes, Bestiality etc....

Just as they have the right to be that way if they choose we have the right to hate the lifestyles that they live.

God even wiped out two whole cities for that kind of crap.

First off Aplus how would you know if homosexaulality is a choice,unless you are one.If thats the case i apologizes for questioning your earlier comments.

You use God allot on here to try and prove your points,but did not God create all.is he not consider ominpresent? So why would he burn something he created? Also if he could rid the world of homosexauls then,why not now?As a matter of fact why is the world not rid of all bad people out there?

 

[CattleArmy]

They wouldn't have to stay in the closest if society wasn't so quick to judge and didn't make them fearful for their safety.

Being gay is not like being black or being Jewish. It is a sexual lifestyle much like a pedophile a person into S&M, foot fetishes, Bestiality etc....

Just as they have the right to be that way if they choose we have the right to hate the lifestyles that they live.

God even wiped out two whole cities for that kind of crap.

Being gay is not just a sexual lifestyle sheesh. Do you honestly think people would choose a lifestyle that causes others to hate them simply for the person they love?

:?

 

[CattleArmy]

Oh he is true to himself. He doesn't NEED to have everyone know.
What's it to you how he conducts himself anyway?

Being gay is NO ONE'S business unless someone wants everyone to know.
Apparently he does not. He is okay with that, so are we.

I never said a word about his conduct........
I agree it's no one's business. I just wonder how easy it would be to acknowledge if he was "out"? :?

 

[aplusmnt]

They wouldn't have to stay in the closest if society wasn't so quick to judge and didn't make them fearful for their safety.

Being gay is not like being black or being Jewish. It is a sexual lifestyle much like a pedophile a person into S&M, foot fetishes, Bestiality etc....

Just as they have the right to be that way if they choose we have the right to hate the lifestyles that they live.

God even wiped out two whole cities for that kind of crap.

First off Aplus how would you know if homosexaulality is a choice,unless you are one.If thats the case i apologizes for questioning your earlier comments.

You use God allot on here to try and prove your points,but did not God create all.is he not consider ominpresent? So why would he burn something he created? Also if he could rid the world of homosexauls then,why not now?As a matter of fact why is the world not rid of all bad people out there?

I look at it like this, you have two choices in your beliefs either be an atheist or believe Being gay is a sin. The bible is not gray about the subject, it does not take some deep philosophical understanding to see that God disapproves of being a Homosexual.

The accounts of Sodom and Gomorrah are pretty straight forward and easy to understand also. If a person believes in the bible they must accept Homosexuality as a sin. And if you believe in the Bible and God then you must believe God is just, and a fair and just God would not condemn something that was unavoidable, so since I believe and accept the Bible as being Gods word I can not condone Homosexuality nor believe they are born that way.

What next will you tell us that pedophiles are born that way, because they become aroused by little kids? Should we accept their actions?

Also if he could rid the world of homosexauls then,why not now?As a matter of fact why is the world not rid of all bad people out there?

That is a more complicated Bible Question. And would take more detail to explain than I have the time at this moment.

 

[Miss N. The-Hills]

Yep, sin is sin.
There are a lot of alcoholics (another sin) "in the closet" too, and no one is coming to their rescue here. And there are programs to help them.

There are a lot of people who lie and cheat (more sin), and don't tell their friends about it. I'd say they're closet liars and cheaters.

I'm not saying that gays should stay in the closet. But they'd better get some help, and we'd better be praying for them. Judgement is not our job, but helping our fellow man (through intercession) is.

As for 12-yr-olds watching "Brokeback",...nope. There are plenty of other ways to teach kids about the world.

 

[CattleArmy]

Who are we to judge sin when none of us are sin free?

I attend church, volunteer at Bible school, and I have to visit this forum to find out I'm an athiest? :???: Holy Hannah had I know I'd been looking for lightening while I was in and around the church.

Why would anyone choose a lifestyle that they are condemed for? I will agree some probably experiment and some are drawn in due to the sexual act but I do believe that some gay people fight it with everything they have, that they are angry for having feelings for the same sex, and strive to be "normal". Yet even trying desperatly they cannot ward off the feelings for the same sex. So having said that then why are they attracted to the same sex if not born that way?

Pediophiles I haven't researched much I've read that some molesters are in fact victims of molestation. No we shouldn't accept their actions they commit violent crimes against children. I am outraged that you would even suggest that would be suggested.

 

[Copper1272]

I dont chime in much but here goes.
My MIL is a Lesbian. She has been with the same women for about 26 years. I once asked her when she knew and she told me when she was about 9. She said she got married and had children because in the 50's that's what you did. Thank fully she did or I would not have my husband. I knew she was a Lesbian when I married my husband and thought it would creep me out but they do not blatently flash it in front of everyone.

As far as Brokeback.....not comfortable when I watched it, I had to change the channel during the sex scenes. And there is no way any of my children would see this movie. I would be horrified if this was shown by a teacher to any of my children. Just because everyone else has thrown their morals out the window in this world does not in any way dictate that I would do the same. And no I am not saying that being gay is being immoral, I am not God and he is the one that holds the answers to these questions. However Heterosexual relationships sex scenes should not be shown to our children either. The content of Tv these days really bothers me.

 

[Soapweed]

Who are we to judge sin when none of us are sin free?

Why would anyone choose a lifestyle that they are condemed for? I will agree some probably experiment and some are drawn in due to the sexual act but I do believe that some gay people fight it with everything they have, that they are angry for having feelings for the same sex, and strive to be "normal". Yet even trying desperatly they cannot ward off the feelings for the same sex. So having said that then why are they attracted to the same sex if not born that way?

"Feelings" make a better caboose than an engine. We need to let the Lord be the engine that runs our lives. If our "feelings" are causing us to sin or stray from God's Word, get rid of them.

Our job is to hate sin but love the sinner.

 

[Maple Leaf Angus]

Who are we to judge sin when none of us are sin free?

This is a point we all tend to forget!!!


Why would anyone choose a lifestyle that they are condemed for? I will agree some probably experiment and some are drawn in due to the sexual act but I do believe that some gay people fight it with everything they have, that they are angry for having feelings for the same sex, and strive to be "normal". Yet even trying desperatly they cannot ward off the feelings for the same sex. So having said that then why are they attracted to the same sex if not born that way?


Because ultimately, the gratification received from the act is greater than the social reaction! This is based on the comments of a person who spoke to a group of us about his struggle with same-sex attraction.


Pediophiles I haven't researched much I've read that some molesters are in fact victims of molestation. No we shouldn't accept their actions they commit violent crimes against children. I am outraged that you would even suggest that would be suggested.

We all have faced life-choices, probably daily, that have negative psychosocial implications if we act out the wrong choice, but we learn to repress them! However, it is possible that in the developmental period, we fail to learn to make proper choices. Therefore, unhealthy thoughts lead to improper actions which become ingrained habits, which develop an unhealthy character.

Therefore we are not born a certain way, we are the product of our choices. But who of us is willing to take responsibility for everything that we are, especially our weaknesses?!

 

[CattleArmy]

Who are we to judge sin when none of us are sin free?

Why would anyone choose a lifestyle that they are condemed for? I will agree some probably experiment and some are drawn in due to the sexual act but I do believe that some gay people fight it with everything they have, that they are angry for having feelings for the same sex, and strive to be "normal". Yet even trying desperatly they cannot ward off the feelings for the same sex. So having said that then why are they attracted to the same sex if not born that way?

"Feelings" make a better caboose than an engine. We need to let the Lord be the engine that runs our lives. If our "feelings" are causing us to sin or stray from God's Word, get rid of them.

Our job is to hate sin but love the sinner.

Then tell me how does one fight feelings of love? Love is a very strong emotion and each of us long to love and be loved.

 

[CattleArmy]

Who are we to judge sin when none of us are sin free?

This is a point we all tend to forget!!!


Why would anyone choose a lifestyle that they are condemed for? I will agree some probably experiment and some are drawn in due to the sexual act but I do believe that some gay people fight it with everything they have, that they are angry for having feelings for the same sex, and strive to be "normal". Yet even trying desperatly they cannot ward off the feelings for the same sex. So having said that then why are they attracted to the same sex if not born that way?



Because ultimately, the gratification received from the act is greater than the social reaction! This is based on the comments of a person who spoke to a group of us about his struggle with same-sex attraction.


Pediophiles I haven't researched much I've read that some molesters are in fact victims of molestation. No we shouldn't accept their actions they commit violent crimes against children. I am outraged that you would even suggest that would be suggested.

We all have faced life-choices, probably daily, that have negative psychosocial implications if we act out the wrong choice, but we learn to repress them! However, it is possible that in the developmental period, we fail to learn to make proper choices. Therefore, unhealthy thoughts lead to improper actions which become ingrained habits, which develop an unhealthy character.

Therefore we are not born a certain way, we are the product of our choices. But who of us is willing to take responsibility for everything that we are, especially our weaknesses?!

You honestly think that we aren't born with certain traits? How come then are some of us strong willed while others are more easy going? How come some have a fiery temper and others rarely get angry? Twins can be raised the same and as different as night and day.

I still have to go with the theory that gays are born that way. Believing in the thought that God created us all I just wonder why God would create a being then as I read here would be condemed for who they love?

 

[Maple Leaf Angus]

You honestly think that we aren't born with certain traits? How come then are some of us strong willed while others are more easy going? How come some have a fiery temper and others rarely get angry? Twins can be raised the same and as different as night and day.

I still have to go with the theory that gays are born that way. Believing in the thought that God created us all I just wonder why God would create a being then as I read here would be condemed for who they love?

1)I believe that we are born with certain personalities (temperament, ambition, etc.), but our character traits are developed by our choices. It can be very misleading to confuse those two parts of our makeup.

2)We can believe what we want, but if we begin from an incorrect premise, we will have great difficulty coming to the correct conclusion.

If someone has a tendency toward kleptomania, is it justifiable for them to steal? Your stuff? Or only "consenting" victms? Maybe our judicial systems should cut them some slack because of their "condition" - after all, they were probably, possibly, created that way, by God, no less. :wink: And here we go prosecuting them for something over whioch they have no control, or choice!

One thing that I try to remember is that we live in a broken, fallen world that is far from what God intended it to be. The only way to be helped out of our individual brokeness is to acknowledge that I am - we are all - broken people as a result of the Fall in Eden. That brokeness shows itself differently in every individual, and more obviously in some than others.

But God does not want to condemn me/us for it, so that is why He took on a human form and took my/our punishment on the cross. I believe that He then wants me/us to personally accept what He has done for me/us, and allow Him to heal my/our brokeness through a close, daily relationship with Him, through the Holy Spirit.

None are excluded from His offer of healing and restoration to what He originally intended for people to be.

 

[kolanuraven]

I believe it's nobody's business what other people do in the privacy of their own lives & homes. :!: :!: :!: :!:

 

[Maple Leaf Angus]

Kola, does that statement stand completely free of any qualifications?

 

[Soapweed]

Who are we to judge sin when none of us are sin free?

Why would anyone choose a lifestyle that they are condemed for? I will agree some probably experiment and some are drawn in due to the sexual act but I do believe that some gay people fight it with everything they have, that they are angry for having feelings for the same sex, and strive to be "normal". Yet even trying desperatly they cannot ward off the feelings for the same sex. So having said that then why are they attracted to the same sex if not born that way?

"Feelings" make a better caboose than an engine. We need to let the Lord be the engine that runs our lives. If our "feelings" are causing us to sin or stray from God's Word, get rid of them.

Our job is to hate sin but love the sinner.

Then tell me how does one fight feelings of love? Love is a very strong emotion and each of us long to love and be loved.

So, what if you have "feelings" of love for a neighboring rancher? Sure, to quote you, "love is a very strong emotion and each of us longs to love and be loved." Does that make it right for you to go with the "extra special" love that it looks like your neighboring rancher might give you, and step out on your husband for that to come about?

If your "feelings" are wrong, and both you and God know that it is wrong, do you pursue them no matter what the cost?

 

[Soapweed]

I believe it's nobody's business what other people do in the privacy of their own lives & homes. :!: :!: :!: :!:

Does that include making meth, growing marijuana, pedophilia, white-collar crime, etc? You paint the picture with a pretty broad brush.