Old Time Values

[Soapweed]

"I am proud to call myself a liberal when it comes to tolerance of others"

Not trying to take out of context, but that is our problem today, "T O L E R A N C E" to allow gays to marry, adopt children? WHO is mom, WHO is dad? What happens when gays divorce and there are screwed up kids involved? To have liberal judges who make assinine decisions based on
t o l e r a n c e to those who commit heinous crimes? There's TOO MUCH tolerance, and our moral values are going down the toilet.


"concern about others who are infirm, old, poor"

So we conservatives are concerned. HOWEVER there are "poor" out there who need to get off their lazy butts and find a job. Period. In the county I live in, WE pay lots in taxes because WE have more people on food stamps in this county than you can shake a stick at (small enough county to know for sure). It sure is easier getting all these "entitlements" than to get off the ol' behind and find a job.

I'll get off my soapbox.

I don't call it tolerance to be lenient with those who commit heinous crimes, I call it stupidity.

I don't call it tolerance to allow people to live off of others. Food stamps are paid for out of Federal taxes, so we all pay, not just those who live like you and I do where too many people would rather sit around than work...

If you believe this in all earnestness, vote Republican and forget your left-wing Liberal leanings.

 

[Soapweed]

I don't call it tolerance to be lenient with those who commit heinous crimes, I call it stupidity.

I don't call it tolerance to allow people to live off of others. Food stamps are paid for out of Federal taxes, so we all pay, not just those who live like you and I do where too many people would rather sit around than work...

If you believe this in all earnestness, vote Republican and forget your left-wing Liberal leanings.

There are plenty of Democrats who believe as I believe. That's what I have been trying to tell you, to no avail.

There are exceptions to every rule, but FOR THE MOST PART, Republicans believe in common sense and in doing what is right. The Democrats are the ones who get hair in the biscuits and mess things up.

 

[Faster horses]

I've got to step in on this one.

Reader 2, I take offense at your statement, "I don't get any farm
subsudies or any other break like the rich Republicans"...

Do you not think Ted Kennedy gets tax breaks along with other Democrats? Don't kid yourself, they are behind raising taxes because
their tax deal is all sewn up, including LOTS of tax breaks. They want
YOU to pay and they don't have to.

Sorry, your liberalism is showing.

 

[Faster horses]

The rich guys, eh? Well, I certainly don't consider myself rich.
Yet some of the tax breaks (which has the economy rolling again, by
the way) benefited me. I am middle-class, pay taxes and the tax breaks
were welcome. Some of those 'tax breaks' were nothing more than removing a double-tax, which wasn't right in the first place.

 

[kolanuraven]

This is in part to Soapweeds post, but not totally!

I'm NOT a conservative--newsflash there huh guys??? :lol: :lol: --BUT I try to do things right on my farms to make them better and more productive and not destroy them/enviroment @ the same time. I get things done. I'm not a tree hugger....in fact I just had 45 cut in the back yard to make room for some work. Bunnies be damned....they've got 100's of acres to move to.

I have a gravel road to my house that is BIG TIME dusty right now and if anyone doesnt' want to get dust on their car....well they better not come see me. My cows are fenced off from the road now but they used to lay all over the road and my new 2006 " hot mamma car" had 'shite' on it just like the farm truck.

I don't hunt just because I hate gutting and cleaning the stuff. Just because I grew up like Daniel Boone's baby sister doesn't mean I want to live that way now. But if push come to shove....I'd do fine here in the hills with all the game etc. So I can be self sufficient to a large degree.

So I don't consider myself an impediment to progress. I have an open mind...I don't pack dog up with a group.....I use common sense and logic to try to solve 99% of my problems...the other 1% I take the hammer to!! :lol: :lol:


I think our problem here is a matter of sematics and inferred meanings of LIBERAL and CONSERVATIVE.

 

[Soapweed]

I'm NOT a conservative--newsflash there huh guys??? :lol: :lol: --BUT I try to do things right on my farms to make them better and more productive and not destroy them/enviroment @ the same time. I get things done. I'm not a tree hugger....in fact I just had 45 cut in the back yard to make room for some work. Bunnies be damned....they've got 100's of acres to move to.

I have a gravel road to my house that is BIG TIME dusty right now and if anyone doesnt' want to get dust on their car....well they better not come see me. My cows are fenced off from the road now but they used to lay all over the road and my new 2006 " hot mamma car" had 'shite' on it just like the farm truck.

I don't hunt just because I hate gutting and cleaning the stuff. Just because I grew up like Daniel Boone's baby sister doesn't mean I want to live that way now. But if push come to shove....I'd do fine here in the hills with all the game etc. So I can be self sufficient to a large degree.

So I don't consider myself an impediment to progress. I have an open mind...I don't pack dog up with a group.....I use common sense and logic to try to solve 99% of my problems...the other 1% I take the hammer to!! :lol: :lol:


I think our problem here is a matter of sematics and inferred meanings of LIBERAL and CONSERVATIVE.

No, the "problem" is that you are a Closet Conservative trying to maintain a "politically correct" Liberal image. Just come clean and vote Republican. You will feel better immediately. :wink:

 

[kolanuraven]

Ya think ????? So that's my diagnosis Dr. Soapweed!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Now if I ' converted' you'd all miss chewing me out!!!! :lol: :lol: I couldn't do that to ya'll....just couldn't!

Oh yeah...we have soapweed in Ga and mine's in full bloom this wk and about 6' tall!!!!

I may be breezing thru Valentine this summer.....I'll wave the ol' Liberal wave at ya as I pass by!!!!

 

[Soapweed]

Ya think ????? So that's my diagnosis Dr. Soapweed!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Now if I ' converted' you'd all miss chewing me out!!!! :lol: :lol: I couldn't do that to ya'll....just couldn't!

We wouldn't mind at all if you converted. One less Liberal would be lovely. :wink:

Oh yeah...we have soapweed in Ga and mine's in full bloom this wk and about 6' tall!!!!

Our soapweeds are just barely starting to bloom. We trailed cattle several miles this morning, and they'd kind of bog down when they found some young yucca pods to nibble.

I may be breezing thru Valentine this summer.....I'll wave the ol' Liberal wave at ya as I pass by!!!!

Don't Look or Lean to the Left as you pass by or you'll miss us. We're on the Right side of the highway. :wink:

 

[kolanuraven]

Funny!!!!! HA HA TEE HEE :lol:

 

[Tap]

I was not saying that all Democrats are liberals, or even tree huggers, or anti business. But if one continues to put folks in congress that do vote for these issues, it amounts to the same thing. Just like it baffled me that SD is so conservative, yet Tommy boy Daschle was our senator for many years. I think East River and the big farm payments were his base. Not enough of us anti-government, lockout, wacko's( :wink: ) out here to outvote him till he finally gave up his SD values when he became majority/minority leader of the Senate.

I like this thread too. Not changing many minds probably, but then I aready knew I was right. :lol: :!:

 

[jigs]

when people start bitching about the Republicans giving breaks to the rich, they better go pull some records....last I knew there were more millionaire Dems in Washington than millionaire Reps.

 

[Frankk]

Conservatives are the "get 'er done" type of people that try to be positive in their outlook and accomplishments. They tend to work hard and try to make the world a better place.

Liberals are mostly obstacles in the path of progress. They lack common sense, and will wreck the economy of several states to preserve a spotted owl that would go on living anyway, with or without the lumber industry. They want to see forest areas become jungles of dead plant growth, which in turn becomes tremendous fire hazards. Liberals try to be "arm-chair" ranchers, and want to tell bona-fide ranchers with lifetimes of experience, how to run their ranches.

Liberals are the bunny-huggers and greenie-weenies who think any animal should have more rights than humans. If a mountain lion gets shot because it killed some little kid, the Liberals get all up in arms for the welfare of the lion, and they don't care a hoot for the poor dead kid. Liberals are for aborting and killing an innocent baby because it is "inconvenient", but will go to extreme measures to protect the life of a known murderer or rapist.

Just today, I was visiting with a lady who works for a local tourist ranch, which is owned and operated by the state game and parks. She said she had really been reamed out and raked over the coals this morning. Some travelers stopped at the ranch, and were plumb disgusted that it had such a dirty dusty gravel road leading to the headquarters. They were mad that some of the ranch-owned herd of Herefords was resting on and along the gravel road, which resulted in "cow poop" getting on their cars' tires. (Did they not realize that no one was holding a gun to their backs "forcing" them to visit the ranch? Ten feet off the black-top, they should have figured out that the next road was dusty dirty gravel, and they could have turned around at any time. Even had they driven for half a mile before encountering the first cow poop upon the trail, they could have still turned around even then.) Instead they drove clear into the visitor's center to issue their complaints to a lady who had nothing to do with establishing the historic ranch. She told them to file their grievances with the State of Nebraska, and then not to complain when their taxes go up to pay for all these "improvements". After listening to my friend's rough day at the office, my comment was, "I'll make you a bet that those tourists voted for Al Gore." And I bet I'd be right if there was a way to find out. :wink: It was sure the typical Liberal attitude that came shining through.

Soapweed I am a liberal and nothing you said applies to me. You are just repeating what you are told to think and say by people like Rush. BTW get er done guy have you got er done without government help I have.

 

[Faster horses]

In an effort to keep the record straight, cattle ranchers do not receive
subsidies. If they own some farm ground they might, or if they have
land in CRP they would.
Many cattle ranchers don't have either because the land they own is too rough or too tough for farming. I'll bet money Soapweed
doesn't receive any subsidies and neither do a lot of other cattle
ranchers.

 

[Frankk]

In an effort to keep the record straight, cattle ranchers do not receive
subsidies. If they own some farm ground they might, or if they have
land in CRP they would.
Many cattle ranchers don't have either because the land they own is too rough or too tough for farming. I'll bet money Soapweed
doesn't receive any subsidies and neither do a lot of other cattle
ranchers.

Around here many cattle ranchers get help with fences, ponds, wells, lime and so on, also grants, all this from the gov. Does this qualify as subsidies.

 

[Soapweed]

Soapweed I am a liberal and nothing you said applies to me. You are just repeating what you are told to think and say by people like Rush. BTW get er done guy have you got er done without government help I have.

Not that I particularly think it is any of your business, Frankk, but I will answer your question. Twenty-five years ago on a different ranch than where we now live, I did get some government assistance on some cross fence that I would not have put in otherwise. It was to be a three-year deal, and after putting in two years worth of cross fence, I could see we were not grazing much more efficiently than before. I told the guy in charge that I would save them the money on the third year, and me the hassle. He about didn't go along with me not doing it, but I told him we were considering trading that ranch for another, and that whoever would buy the present ranch probably didn't want a fence in that spot anyway. He finally relented. I decided then and there that I didn't want to be under any obligation to do things "the government way" after that.

In more recent times, we got completely hailed out one year and suffered a bad drought the next. I sold way down on cattle, and had to pay a lot of additional income taxes because of this. Our county was eligible for some feed assistance, so I dipped into the public trough, mainly to get back money that I had already given up in the form of extra taxes. The government paid half the cost of additional hay that was purchased. From a common sense point of view, the whole country would have been better off had the government just stayed completely out of the fray. Hay that would normally sell for $50 per ton suddenly became worth $100 per ton. The rancher still paid $50 per ton and the government paid $50 per ton. The only real benefactors were anyone who had hay for sale. Had the normal laws of supply and demand taken effect, and the government stayed out of it, the $50 hay would have risen to about $75 per ton. I would rather have just paid the $75 per ton, and not be accused of sucking the government's teat.

As far as getting a yearly paycheck from Uncle Sam, I don't. We have no CRP land, and get no crop subsidies. Our only income is derived from the sale of cattle, that eat the grass and hay produced on this ranch. I do pasture cattle out with a couple neighbors, and do buy some hay every year. We spend a lot of money locally, and help to keep the wheels of America turning.

Now, Frankk, let's hear a little about how you do business.

 

[Rowdy Ranch]

It is a darn good thing that there are a few of us left in the good old USA-THAT ARE SET IN OUR WAYS-you know t he right ways-. No Soapweed is not crotchety -he is just stating facts and the correct ones at that. :shock:

 

[Faster horses]

I hope everyone here reads or has read, "The Time It Never Rained" by Elmer Kelton. It is a classic and certainly delves into exactly what
Soapweed was talking about when describing what happens when the
government gets in to buying hay, or helping to buy hay.

Anyway, it's a book I think should be required reading in the classroom
as well as everyplace else.

 

[Anonymous]

I think the biggest irony of this whole thread is how the liberals try so hard to convince us that they really have conservative values. They really despise welfare. They really hate high taxes. They really hate the enviro-loony bunch. They really don't support gun control. And on and on...

Gosh, they're just like us, aren't they? :shock: No, they're not! Because they still vote for the same liberal Dems that shove all that crap down our throats. Maybe someone can explain that?

 

[mp.freelance]

I think the biggest irony of this whole thread is how the liberals try so hard to convince us that they really have conservative values. They really despise welfare. They really hate high taxes. They really hate the enviro-loony bunch. They really don't support gun control. And on and on...

Gosh, they're just like us, aren't they? :shock: No, they're not! Because they still vote for the same liberal Dems that shove all that crap down our throats. Maybe someone can explain that?

I think the point is that liberal and conservative are very narrow categories, and people seldom fit into any one of them perfectly. Anyone who has read my posts in Political Bull can easily figure out that I'm conservative. Would it surprise you I believe the War on Drugs is a waste of time and money? Or that I think some elements of environmental preservation are necessary? The stereotypical liberal that people tend to vilify is typically a product of their own imaginations. Of course, such people do exist - I've encountered plenty of America-haters and anti-Western socialists to know this is true. But this is a marginal group that have no real influence on the larger world. Personally, I don't think anyone on this board is that far to the left. Disagreeable attacks Bush, but I don't think she truly hates America like some of the people I met in college. My main problem with Dis is that she is so monothematic and annoyingly repetitive, not that she's out to destroy the country.

 

[passin thru]

Question..............If I have water rights and I have to give(taken) my rights so the cities can have water. Does this mean I am subsidizing people in the city with my water rights(money)?