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Question for the "Straight Black Commercial Cow/Calf Ma

I've proven my point. When I brought points about black cattle, it was the breeders fault.
But then when you brought points about Herefords and other breeds it is the breeds fault. There are a heck of a lot of Herefords out there that are not the cattle of yesteryear. So sad that when you come in with a preconcieved notion of yesteryears cattle and are not open to new things.
Oh and herefords are only a portion of my cows now. I wonder why my neighbor doctored so many eyes on his black cattle this summer, must be that hereford blood in them. But wait they don't have hereford blood in them. Oh well. it's those darn herefords.

But hey if it works for you go for it. :D
 
Hey Larry...

We put our replacement heifers in a feedlot situation a couple of years. The first year they were penned with some red heifers. When we would go to look at them, the red ones threw their tails over their back and ran off...while our nice Angus heifers stayed put. BTW, our Angus heifers really outperformed those wild heifers...

I think OT has nailed it pretty good. A lot of dispositon problems are how the cattle are handled. Some is genetic of course, but environment plays quite a part.

We won't put up with wild cattle, PERIOD. And we have had some wild Herefords in the past...
 
the black calves are up sucking (heterosis at work)
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Isn't heterosis the gain from a combination of breeds?

I deal with prolapses with my .270 but haven't used any shells in a long time.
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Rule #4 Hardass Cattle Company
Every cow that prolapses along with every animal that traces to her gets sold. 7 years ago I had a prolapse and I sold her, 3 other cows and 2 replacement heifers.

We started out with Herefords and had too many cancer eyes.
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It is fairly easy to get herefords with red eyes which helps. My baldie herd is 90% black eyed and black uddered so it really isn't an issue as far as putting a hereford bull on your black cows to get some baldie cows.

I want to maintain a cow herd with as little L1 in it as possible.
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I would like to sell you bulls but I have almost as much line 1 as possible.

being a easy and safe choice is what I think has kept more breeders breeding black on black
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When Herefords were king, beef was king also.

The Hereford breed can be the best for efficiency
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High priced corn should be the best thing that happened to the Hereford breed.

The reason I would not put hereford on straight angus cattle is it would not produce the same heterosis levels that would be achieved by putting a continental bull on.
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The reason for putting a Hereford on a black cow is to get the baldie to put a Continental bull on giving a three way cross which should be the ultimate in heterosis and efficiency all in one package. If the cowherd was as Hereford as it is Black I would be talking about putting Angus bulls on all those Hereford cows
 
MANAGEMENT, MANAGEMENT, MANAGEMENT

udders, bad eyes, bad feet, temperment, etc

MANAGEMENT, MANAGEMENT, MANAGEMENT

unless it is herefords, then it is BREED,BREED,BREED

OK, I understand
 
Larrry said:
MANAGEMENT, MANAGEMENT, MANAGEMENT

udders, bad eyes, bad feet, temperment, etc

MANAGEMENT, MANAGEMENT, MANAGEMENT

unless it is herefords, then it is BREED,BREED,BREED

OK, I understand
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Larrry couldn't what you just said fit any breed?
I could use Herefords but I am raising what works for me. You can do the same. Who said you couldn't?
 
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the black calves are up sucking (heterosis at work)

Isn't heterosis the gain from a combination of breeds?

Yes it is, and as I said when we lose the benefits we are currently enjoying, having put black bulls on our hereford cows quite a few years ago, we may then think about a different breed of bull. We can't run separate herds here, so black on black is fine by me. So far the calves are still jumping up and sucking with no help from me or a hot box, should they be unfortunate enough to come into this world in bitter weather or a spring storm. When the father in law decided to retire, we bought a bunch of his hereford cows because they were cheap, but we'll be glad when they can be replaced with a black baldy, since they were the ones that required the extra work this spring.
Blacks simply work better for us, but that may not be for everyone, and that's fine. It would be a boring world if we all agreed on what the best breed of cattle is.
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Larry I can't help it if some breeds are predisposed to certain things, but I can choose not to raise that breed or breeds, and I did. Our herd is used to people horseback in the field, so will move off a little bit if you wander out there afoot until they figure out what you're doing, but in the corral, they are quiet as can be. If it is bitter, and we have a heifer calve out in the heifer night pen, we'll load it on the sled and walk to the barn, and the heifer will follow quietly along right into the barn. That doesn't seem too wild to me. Go help my neighbor with his PB hereford heifers, and you are taking your life in your hands! They didn't used to be that way, in fact they were pretty much dead on their feet, but he's certainly fixed that. I don't think his cattle handling has changed, but something sure has because they will be happy to eat your lunch for you.
I like angus, you like hereford and that is just fine by me. :lol: :lol:
 
You need to get out more DJL-if you can find a spoiled bag in Fraser's Hereford cows I'll eat her-hooves and all lol. Doug that 101F that Lad's mother is out of is owned by Douglas Lake Cattle company and Fraser's he left some very good females-552 worked pretty good here L1 or not. You better head up to Brooks, Alberta in March and have a visit. The Centennial's were the harder doing cows compared to the Andy's and such.
 
Northern, Northern, Northern, I'm happy with blacks, so don't need to go in search of good bagged herefords.... I'll leave that to you, since you like to travel all over anyway! :lol: :lol: Although.... it would be good entertainment watching you eat a cow hooves and all! :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
It's the owner not the cows :!: :!: A top stockman raising Herfords, has a good set of cows with good udders, dispositions etc... and the same is true for Angus. If you find problem herds or herds full of problems it ain't the cows that's the problem. :???: :???:
There are a lot of people raising cattle. Some of them are good at it and a lot of them are just trying to make a living without going to town to get a job.
 
efb, you nailed it.
That is what I have been saying all along, but some on hear are so busy stalking their prey and get anyone who might choose another breed than their own favorite.

Like I said, to each his own.

DEJA VU
 
Larrry said:
DJL, let me tell you a little story. I had a friend that would go and buy dogs from a breeder. The best bunch of dogs you ever saw. Well he ended up buying three of them over a span. Durned if everyone of them dogs wasn't the highest strung thing you ever saw. Heck it even got two of them killed. Wonder why?
When I was into the blacks I bought them from a breeder that raised other breeds. Well I bought some of all these breeds. When you went and looked at them the blacks always hit the back of the pen. The other breeds didn't. Well this went on for a few years and I got my belly full of that crap. So the blacks got a free ride to town. Heck some of them even had some of that high powered Ankony breeding :lol:
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Oh...tee-hee!!!
 
Larry, Hereford 76 asked an honest question, and I gave an honest answer. If you don't like my answer that's fine, but no one is stalking you. Paranoia is the first sign of mental illness! :shock: :lol: :lol:
 
DJL said:
Larry, Hereford 76 asked an honest question, and I gave an honest answer. If you don't like my answer that's fine, but no one is stalking you. Paranoia is the first sign of mental illness! :shock: :lol: :lol:
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Good thing JB's not here or he would have to leave again cause DJL is pickin' on LARRRRRY :wink:
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
DJL said:
Larry, Hereford 76 asked an honest question, and I gave an honest answer. If you don't like my answer that's fine, but no one is stalking you. Paranoia is the first sign of mental illness! :shock: :lol: :lol:
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Good thing JB's not here or he would have to leave again cause DJL is pickin' on LARRRRRY :wink:
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snicker. You're bad BMR.
 

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