What is Canada plants doing that US plants are not?

[rkaiser]

Jason -

Stick to the facts Randy, 8 plants are licenced to send to Japan. Cargill has 2 Tyson has 1. That leaves 5 others that are sending beef. Of the exported beef I do agree Cargill and Tyson will be sending the majority of it.

The numbers were from Canfax that showed Cargill and Tyson at less than 60% of the Canadian slaughter.

Whose facts Jason - yours - :lol:

60% what a joke. They may have slaughtered 60% of the cattle in the time frame you used but the CAPACITY is well over 80% and you know it.
Keep twisting the numbers and calling them facts if you like Jason, I don't have time for your games.

 

[Bill]

Just the other day I posted R-CALF speaking in favor of a trade deal with Korea and then you make some half-wit comment about R-CALFers not needing trade? SH trained you well.

It's comical to watch R-Calf and it's bulleeeeevers flip flop around and change positions whenever it suits their needs. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I recall reading that you R-Calfers didn't see the need to export beef because the US could consume all you can produce. Why the change now Sandhusker? Is it because trade with Korea is as Oldtimer calls it "FAIR" trade? :roll: :lol: :lol:

What's comical is the half-baked comments the anti-R-CALF crowd tries to pass off as truth. Feeder understands the message, why can't you?

Let me make is simple and explain it ONCE AGAIN; Since the US currently consumes more beef than we produce, we would not need an export market if we did not import beef. You shouldn't comment on quotes that you don't understand.

You better up your diet of hotdogs then Sandhusker to eat up that tongue and tripe and whatever else used to go to Asia. :roll: It wasn't all steak that went across the pond.

 

[Jason]

The numbers were posted. The time frame posted. Canfax gathered the numbers.

If you refuse to accept their numbers it shows how twisted anything you believe is.

If you base your business on emotion rather than facts it is sure to fail.

 

[rkaiser]

What ever Jason - If I base my business on your numbers, I am bound to have a brown nose for the rest of my life.

Capacity vs. kill numbers rocket scientist. :roll:

 

[Sandhusker]

Let me make is simple and explain it ONCE AGAIN; Since the US currently consumes more beef than we produce, we would not need an export market if we did not import beef. You shouldn't comment on quotes that you don't understand.

Since I'm not at all familiar with the US beef export market, do you know what kind of beef are you exporting to the Japanese market? Is it stuff that you have no domestic market for? Often, analysts get hung up on raw numbers, trying to prove a point, but fail to consider other circumstances.

For example, Canada imports a fair bit of crude oil. In first light this seems ludicrous, since we harvest far more than we consume. However, the stuff we harvest we can't process, so we have to sell it abroad and replace it with imported oil. In an ideal world, we should be building refineries that can use our own product, but its not an ideal world.

In the case of your beef exports, thats a little tougher. If the stuff you're sending over there is stuff your consumers simply don't want, its tough to sway consumer opinion. You try and force it down their throats, they'll buy chicken or pork instead. So maybe you need the imports?

Rod

It was either Bullard or McDonald of R-CALF who made that comment. It wasn't a headline or policy statement, just an off-hand remark to illustrate how much beef we raise versus what is consumed. The problem here is that some have felt the need to try to make a mountain out of a gopher mound.

 

[Jason]

Again Randy they are not my numbers.

You are correct that the Canfax numbers were actual kills. Capacity is not what actually happens, so is a redundant number.

If Cargill/Tyson have the capacity to kill 20% more cattle than they are, why do they hold back? You said they will kill everything they can when they are making money (and I agree with that comment). If they are not killing at capacity what is preventing them?

It is a simple question, but if you answer it honestly it shoots your position down in flames.

 

[Mike]

If they are not killing at capacity what is preventing them?

Demand could be holding them back. Could be labor problems. Could be a multitude of things.

They could even be laying low, holding the price of fats down some.

 

[Sandhusker]

If they are not killing at capacity what is preventing them?

Demand could be holding them back. Could be labor problems. Could be a multitude of things.

They could even be laying low, holding the price of fats down some.

Could be sending cattle South. There hasn't been much cash trading done down here....

 

[rkaiser]

Jason -

Again Randy they are not my numbers.

You are correct that the Canfax numbers were actual kills. Capacity is not what actually happens, so is a redundant number.

If Cargill/Tyson have the capacity to kill 20% more cattle than they are, why do they hold back? You said they will kill everything they can when they are making money (and I agree with that comment). If they are not killing at capacity what is preventing them?

It is a simple question, but if you answer it honestly it shoots your position down in flames.

And what position may that be Jason. I'll tell you one thing. it ain't the same bent over position that you continue to take when it comes to Cargill and Tyson.

Yes, Jason and thank you for recognising that I am correct in stating that Cargill and Tyson hold over 80% of the Canadian Slaughter capacity. What they do with this capacity is called business Jason. Something that you seem not to understand. I have said that these two plants were operating at full steam during the Salmon run, and you cannot deny it. What they are doing now is working numbers Jason. Working numbers for now and for their future.

If you can show me where I have stated that packers are currently profiting excessively on fed UTM cattle Jason, I would like to see the quote. Excessive profits on OTM cattle, yes. But what does this have to do with the thread which started talking of the Cargill and Tyson plants in Canada being accepted by the Japanese.

Read my first post again Jason and tell me what you think without trying to prove your little point about slaughter capacity again.

 

[Econ101]

Jason:"If Cargill/Tyson have the capacity to kill 20% more cattle than they are, why do they hold back? You said they will kill everything they can when they are making money (and I agree with that comment). If they are not killing at capacity what is preventing them?

It is a simple question, but if you answer it honestly it shoots your position down in flames."

What is preventing them, Jason? Can you answer your own question and answer it honestly?

 

[TimH]

This whole thread is just way too hilarious!!

R-calf buys($$$) full page adds in the New York Times which state that any and all beef coming from a country known to have BSE is tainted and unfit for human consumption. They jump up on their soapbox and state over and over that the USDA is "on the take" and doesn't care about food safety and refer to federally inspected packer employees as "knife wielding thugs",bench about the testing protocols, and then turn around and scratch their pointed heads, wondering why the Japanese do not trust the US slaughter system. :? :? :? :? DUHHHHH!!!

All I have to say is this.........

ARE YOU R-CALFERS ON DRUGS OR WHAT??????

 

[Econ101]

This whole thread is just way too hilarious!!

R-calf buys($$$) full page adds in the New York Times which state that any and all beef coming from a country known to have BSE is tainted and unfit for human consumption. They jump up on their soapbox and state over and over that the USDA is "on the take" and doesn't care about food safety and refer to federally inspected packer employees as "knife wielding thugs",bench about the testing protocols, and then turn around and scratch their pointed heads, wondering why the Japanese do not trust the US slaughter system. :? :? :? :? DUHHHHH!!!

All I have to say is this.........

ARE YOU R-CALFERS ON DRUGS OR WHAT??????

Now, watch out, Tim, I made the knife wielding comment. Don't give the credit to that comment to R-calf, although they might agree with me on the observation.

Everyone knows why the Japanese do not trust the USDA----they are not trustworthy, as they are too deep in the packer pockets. Their policies continue to show it. They have to have testing under their control because allowing the Japanese to privately test in the USA would not benefit the right packers--you know---the ones paying the politicians off--or the ones promising to pay the politicians off in the future.

I doubt any of the Japanese actions were as a result of reading ranchers.net. You give r-calfer's too much credit for pointing out the flaws in the USDA as being the motive behind Japan not taking U.S. beef.

IT IS ALL BECAUSE OF AN INCOMPETENT AND ARROGANT USDA. NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS.

 

[TimH]

This whole thread is just way too hilarious!!

R-calf buys($$$) full page adds in the New York Times which state that any and all beef coming from a country known to have BSE is tainted and unfit for human consumption. They jump up on their soapbox and state over and over that the USDA is "on the take" and doesn't care about food safety and refer to federally inspected packer employees as "knife wielding thugs",bench about the testing protocols, and then turn around and scratch their pointed heads, wondering why the Japanese do not trust the US slaughter system. :? :? :? :? DUHHHHH!!!

All I have to say is this.........

ARE YOU R-CALFERS ON DRUGS OR WHAT??????

Now, watch out, Tim, I made the knife wielding comment. Don't give the credit to that comment to R-calf, although they might agree with me on the observation.

Everyone knows why the Japanese do not trust the USDA----they are not trustworthy, as they are too deep in the packer pockets. Their policies continue to show it. They have to have testing under their control because allowing the Japanese to privately test in the USA would not benefit the right packers--you know---the ones paying the politicians off--or the ones promising to pay the politicians off in the future.

I doubt any of the Japanese actions were as a result of reading ranchers.net. You give r-calfer's too much credit for pointing out the flaws in the USDA as being the motive behind Japan not taking U.S. beef.

IT IS ALL BECAUSE OF AN INCOMPETENT AND ARROGANT USDA. NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS.

What are you on, Econostud, glue or meth?? Both maybe???
You dolts are so efficient at illustrating your own ignorance, that it is completely redundant, for anyone with a brain in their head, to waste their time pointing out your absolute lack of real world knowledge.
Go ahead and spew your garbage Econostud and company. Every retarded post you make just proves how truly ignorant you really are.
Have at'er girls!!!

 

[Maple Leaf Angus]

Hey TimH, why don't you tell us what you really think? Or wait a minute - let's use shrink language - "Tell me how it felt to say that."




:lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

 

[Econ101]

This whole thread is just way too hilarious!!

R-calf buys($$$) full page adds in the New York Times which state that any and all beef coming from a country known to have BSE is tainted and unfit for human consumption. They jump up on their soapbox and state over and over that the USDA is "on the take" and doesn't care about food safety and refer to federally inspected packer employees as "knife wielding thugs",bench about the testing protocols, and then turn around and scratch their pointed heads, wondering why the Japanese do not trust the US slaughter system. :? :? :? :? DUHHHHH!!!

All I have to say is this.........

ARE YOU R-CALFERS ON DRUGS OR WHAT??????

Now, watch out, Tim, I made the knife wielding comment. Don't give the credit to that comment to R-calf, although they might agree with me on the observation.

Everyone knows why the Japanese do not trust the USDA----they are not trustworthy, as they are too deep in the packer pockets. Their policies continue to show it. They have to have testing under their control because allowing the Japanese to privately test in the USA would not benefit the right packers--you know---the ones paying the politicians off--or the ones promising to pay the politicians off in the future.

I doubt any of the Japanese actions were as a result of reading ranchers.net. You give r-calfer's too much credit for pointing out the flaws in the USDA as being the motive behind Japan not taking U.S. beef.

IT IS ALL BECAUSE OF AN INCOMPETENT AND ARROGANT USDA. NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS.

What are you on, Econostud, glue or meth?? Both maybe???
You dolts are so efficient at illustrating your own ignorance, that it is completely redundant, for anyone with a brain in their head, to waste their time pointing out your absolute lack of real world knowledge.
Go ahead and spew your garbage Econostud and company. Every retarded post you make just proves how truly ignorant you really are.
Have at'er girls!!!

Well, TimH, I think the below article shows exactly why you bend over to the USDA anytime they ask for you to:

Beef nod offers little hope

Industry spokesman says Japanese approval good, but borders are still closed



By BILL KAUFMANN, CALGARY SUN

March 21, 2006



The clean bill of health given to Canadian meat-packing plants by BSE-wary Japanese inspectors counts for little until beef bans are lifted, says a cattle industry spokesman.



Eight Canadian plants -- five in Alberta -- were given high safety ratings by the Japanese inspectors following a week-long tour earlier this month.



Only one failed to meet the standard because the Canadian government failed to provide thorough documentation.



Erik Butters, vice-chairman of Alberta Beef Producers, said he'll be more impressed once the Japanese expand their import of Canadian product, which is currently limited to beef aged 20 months and under.



"I see no evidence they're willing to go further," he said.



Canadian officials have said it could take years to regain Japanese confidence in our beef.



And, Butters said South Korea's total ban on Canadian beef still stands.



"If it was the Koreans who were saying 'we're re-opening,' I'd be a lot happier," he said.



Still, the development does send a positive message to countries unsure of the safety of Canadian beef, said Butters.



"For a couple of years, all the incoming news was bad, so we're chipping away at this," he said.



Butters also said Canadian producers are hoping Mexico will open its borders wider to their beef -- a process being constrained by pressure from Washington.



"They won't allow the Mexicans to take any more of our beef than they import themselves -- it's just a protectionist thing," he said.





calsun.canoe.ca

You have a nose ring that is being pulled any which way you go and that leash goes right through the packer policy hands at the USDA into the hands of Tyson and Cargill boys.

How does it feel to be in the real world?

 

[Tommy]

Tim H. ...R-calf buys($$$) full page adds in the New York Times which state that any and all beef coming from a country known to have BSE is tainted and unfit for human consumption.


That is an outright lie Tim. You need to check before you write, you are doing what you accuse R-CALF members of. Spreading misinformation.

 

[Anonymous]

T: "That is an outright lie Tim. You need to check before you write, you are doing what you accuse R-CALF members of. Spreading misinformation."

A lie is stating something untrue with the intent to mislead. Did Tim intend to mislead? The adds were written in the Washington Post not the New York Times. HARDLY AN INTENT TO MISLEAD. Leave it to a nit picker like you to split the hair between the adds being in the Washington Post vs. the New York Times. AS IF THAT CHANGES THE FACT THAT THE STUPID ADDS WERE WRITTEN. The deception here is your failure to correct this "SUPPOSED" lie instead of "CREATING THE ILLUSION" that the adds were never written. True to your deceptive ways Tommy!

I think the intend to mislead here is to ignore the fact that R-CULT wrote such shortsighted fear mongering BSE adds. What a shame that clones like you didn't stand up against such absolute stupidity.

R-CULT's position is clear. If you have BSE in your native herd, your beef is considered "high risk" and "contaiminated". That's how incredibly short sighted R-CULT was with their Washington Post adds and their Court statements.

I thank God every day that our media didn't believe the lying, deceptive R-CULT or our markets would have tanked.

Where are those adds now Tommy after our third BSE case? Why isn't R-CULT warning consumers about the safety of our beef?

Damn hypocrites!

Give that R-CULT turbin another wrap Tommy!


Sandbag: "Let me make is simple and explain it ONCE AGAIN; Since the US currently consumes more beef than we produce, we would not need an export market if we did not import beef. You shouldn't comment on quotes that you don't understand."

What a stupid statement. How can you compare the value of imported lean trimmings to the value of exporting our prime middle meats. I see you just as ignorant today as you were two weeks ago.

R-CULT's Bullard made a stupid statement and now he has his little spin doctors like you trying to justify it.

Let me make it simple and explain it ONCE AGAIN. Bullard is too ignorant to understand the value of our export markets. He didn't know the value then and I doubt he knows the value now. That is why he made his stupid statement and why he has little spin doctors like you to try to justify it after the fact.

Prior to the closing of the Canadian border, for a 7 year average we had a $1.3 "BILLION" dollar trade surplus in the trade of live cattle, beef, beef variety meats and hides. That amounts to about $28 per head.

When Bullard says, we don't need an export market..... he means we don't need another $28 per head because we'd rather be isolationists and make up lies about the safety of Canadian beef because we're not smart enough to realize that Canadian beef and live cattle will not disappear off the world market.

Give that R-CULT turbin another wrap Sandbag.



~SH~

 

[Econ101]

T: "That is an outright lie Tim. You need to check before you write, you are doing what you accuse R-CALF members of. Spreading misinformation."

A lie is stating something untrue with the intent to mislead. Did Tim intend to mislead? The adds were written in the Washington Post not the New York Times. HARDLY AN INTENT TO MISLEAD. Leave it to a nit picker like you to split the hair between the adds being in the Washington Post vs. the New York Times. AS IF THAT CHANGES THE FACT THAT THE STUPID ADDS WERE WRITTEN. The deception here is your failure to correct this "SUPPOSED" lie instead of "CREATING THE ILLUSION" that the adds were never written. True to your deceptive ways Tommy!

I think the intend to mislead here is to ignore the fact that R-CULT wrote such shortsighted fear mongering BSE adds. What a shame that clones like you didn't stand up against such absolute stupidity.

R-CULT's position is clear. If you have BSE in your native herd, your beef is considered "high risk" and "contaiminated". That's how incredibly short sighted R-CULT was with their Washington Post adds and their Court statements.

I thank God every day that our media didn't believe the lying, deceptive R-CULT or our markets would have tanked.

Where are those adds now Tommy after our third BSE case? Why isn't R-CULT warning consumers about the safety of our beef?

Damn hypocrites!

Give that R-CULT turbin another wrap Tommy!


Sandbag: "Let me make is simple and explain it ONCE AGAIN; Since the US currently consumes more beef than we produce, we would not need an export market if we did not import beef. You shouldn't comment on quotes that you don't understand."

What a stupid statement. How can you compare the value of imported lean trimmings to the value of exporting our prime middle meats. I see you just as ignorant today as you were two weeks ago.

R-CULT's Bullard made a stupid statement and now he has his little spin doctors like you trying to justify it.

Let me make it simple and explain it ONCE AGAIN. Bullard is too ignorant to understand the value of our export markets. He didn't know the value then and I doubt he knows the value now. That is why he made his stupid statement and why he has little spin doctors like you to try to justify it after the fact.

Prior to the closing of the Canadian border, for a 7 year average we had a $1.3 "BILLION" dollar trade surplus in the trade of live cattle, beef, beef variety meats and hides. That amounts to about $28 per head.

When Bullard says, we don't need an export market..... he means we don't need another $28 per head because we'd rather be isolationists and make up lies about the safety of Canadian beef because we're not smart enough to realize that Canadian beef and live cattle will not disappear off the world market.

Give that R-CULT turbin another wrap Sandbag.



~SH~

And even with the Japanese not allowing untested beef, you support no private testing for companies to be able to ship meat to the orient under the guise that you have to save the Japanese from making a "big mistake" in thinking bse tested is bse free. Save the Japanese from themselves---don't allow testing---says SH.

"We have the safest beef in the world--but we will not allow anyone to test for that safety. We all believe in believing in our Secretary of Agriculture, Secretary Johanns, who has presided over the highly credible Grain Inspecition Packers and Stockyards Administration (GIPSA). It is so because he says it is so. JoAnn Waterfield should not be investigated as to why she ran the agency the way she did, heck, all we have to do is ask Goodlatte, Saxby Chambliss and members of the Senate Judiciary to know what is "the truth". The Japanese better also or we are going to do some saber rattlin'!!!!!

"Save our Japanese from themselves"

You are real funny, SH.

 

[Anonymous]

And even with the Japanese not allowing untested beef, you support no private testing for companies to be able to ship meat to the orient under the guise that you have to save the Japanese from making a "big mistake" in thinking bse tested is bse free. Save the Japanese from themselves---don't allow testing---says SH.

Congratulations Conman!

Your first response to me was a lie. I never said I did not support private testing for companies to ship meat to the orient, I said I opposed the testing of cattle younger than 24 months of age WITH THE TESTS CREEKSTONE PLANNED TO USE which would not have revealed prions in cattle under 24 months of age regardless.

Typical of your lying, deceptive, slithering pathetic ways.

Second, Japan is now allowing UNTESTED beef so why would an idiot like you insist on acquiring the unnecessary costs of BSE testing if Japan is taking beef without testing??? What kind of idiotic business decision is that?

Third, where is your proof that the Japanese government would have EVER allowed BSE tested beef???

This is just another of your blind lame dogs that you turn out and wonder why they run in circles.


Conman: "You are real funny, SH."

To an idiot like you, I am sure I am quite funny. Most mentally challenged people are quite prone to laughing for no apparent reason.


~SH~

 

[Sandhusker]

Thank you so much for your valuable insight, SH, presented in such a credible manner. However, if I want to know the AMI's position, I know where their website is.