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Who kills more, Muslims or Christians?

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Oldtimer said:
Soapweed said:
Oldtimer said:
FH what is sad is that you- like many others- wouldn't listen to a lady that posted on here that had spent years and years actually "living" in the region-- and spoke 8 languages (I think she told me the other day she is now certified fluent in 9) - and that travels the world over as a private advisor/consultant to our government (Clinton, Bush, and Obama administrations) along with many other folks... A knowledge of how all these countries fit together and relate to each other that few other people know...

What is really sad is that bleeding heart Liberals, who might know nine languages but lack good genuine common sense, are advisors and consultants in powerful government positions.

Could be because most that are educated and knowledgeable are not radical rightwingers.... The two don't seem to go together...Once a person obtains education and knowledge they learn the danger and futility of radicalism- either far left or far right...


You wanna compare educations? or are you admitting that you are far left?


Edited to add that under OT's definition, I would be radical since I believe in the constitution.
 
Oldtimer said:
But that said- I wouldn't travel in many parts of Mexico either armed or with security or not... And that is because of a Christian (mostly Catholic) population- not Muslims...

I'd feel safer in Mexico City than Chicago. Of course I'm Catholic and you'd probably call me a Mexican although I was born in Bolivia. (We all look alike, worship the same God and speak the same language). :mrgreen:
 
Also, OT the reason most libs end up teaching at the University levels is very obvious.

A. They have a degree. So since you can no longer sit at home and draw welfare, because of having a degree, you have to work somewhere.

B. If you have views that are anti-corporation, you probably aren't going to go work for a corporation. That leaves yourself or government. Since most libs think the government is the answer, it is an obvious choice.

C. Education system is government funded and functions like the government- waste, back door deals, and begging someone to give them some money for something all the time (these are called grants).

D. University positions almost always pay lower wages overall then private positions of the same skill.

E. The liberal environment of the education system is too much for any decent human to bear for many years. If you are an open conservative, the witch hunts, you like so much like, are raised from the dead and practiced. Nothing is ever done in a logical manner. This will drive practical people crazy.

F. And then there are many that tried the real world and just couldn't make it. The Universities are full of them. Most could handle the school work and write it back down on an exam but can't apply it, or can't deal with people. Often, they blame others for their failures. The democratic platform just calls to these people.

Why subject yourself to the ridiculousness that today's University environment, when you can live a peaceful life and be rewarded at a higher level?


There are a few people who just enjoy teaching and can put up with the ridiculousness. I truly don't know how and usually it is only for a brief time.
 
TexasBred said:
Oldtimer said:
But that said- I wouldn't travel in many parts of Mexico either armed or with security or not... And that is because of a Christian (mostly Catholic) population- not Muslims...

I'd feel safer in Mexico City than Chicago. Of course I'm Catholic and you'd probably call me a Mexican although I was born in Bolivia. (We all look alike, worship the same God and speak the same language). :mrgreen:

:D


OT, it is rather obvious how confused you are. The US is a Christian nation, but that does not make everyone Christian. It is not the Mass attending individuals in Mexico that are carrying machine guns and killing people going to birthday parties.

But, how many car bombers and airplane hijacker do you think attended the mosque regularly?
 
Broke Cowboy said:
djinwa said:
I keep reading how bloodthirsty killers.

Can anyone tell me how many of them we have killed versus how many of us they have killed, say in the last 50 years?

Was it me that missed you on that last op I was on?

Maybe my sights were a bit off from that last explosion, but it was likely I was shooting on the run towards you and you ducked at the right time

Hard to be really accurate at night when your heart is pumping and you are breathing hard - I always had to work on that one.

I will try harder next time - I promise! LOL

I am just grumpy - or maybe you are just a schitte disturber - or maybe it is an honest question - I will simply answer as a person who has both given and received - like the many honourable men and women on this board who have also worn a uniform.

Maybe you should ask "Who plans to cause as little collateral bloodshed or damage as possible when they are on an operation (even at the risk or their own lives in many cases) and who just does not give a schitte and kills everything in the name of allah?"

Yeah, things do not always go as planned - but collateral deaths are not welcomed, not celebrated and minimized to the greatest extent possible

Or better - "Who clears every op through the JAG (military lawyers) before launching?"

Or this one - "Who does triage after battle and puts their enemy higher on the medical treatment list because he is more seriously wounded?"

And finally - "Who intentionally kills little Pakistani girls for simply wanting to go to school?"

What the heck - maybe you need to go find out for yourself!

In fact I dare you - but somehow I think you would never do that.

Some folks from near here were visiting in the Towers when they went down - I am in agreement - Slam frigging Dunk!

I am sure you got the reaction you were looking for - I wish you were not looking for a reaction and that you were instead - a person of honour - at the moment I am not so sure you are.

While that may not bother you, in my opinion, it should.

I will go away now and listen to the cows sing - the last of the calves left tonight - and I think the mommies are missing them. But the cash was nice! So I can honestly say I am enjoying the music. LOL

Oh, and have a nice day.

BC

Quick edit addition after seeing OT has weighed in:

OT - I do my best to avoid you at almost all costs.

I do not particularly like you and your answers or your comments.

I admit I am not always happy with the way people treat you.

However your middle east expert was a phony lefty who only saw one side of the argument and used her couple of short visits to the safest parts of the Middle East as justification to pontificate.

Your politics are truly out to lunch for an American rancher in my opinion.

And for sure your answer to the original poster is well and truly out to lunch

I will refrain from my personal opinions simply because you are older than me and I was taught to not smart mouth my elders.

I will continue to minimize any contact with you in the future as well.

I hope you too have a nice day.

BC

:clap:

Hopefully, you won't take offense to me saying Thank You for your service!

Your a better person than I. I ignored him for the longest time. And I agree with showing respect to the elderly (I generally end up re-wording many replies in that purpose), but I don't believe it gives you free reign to spout known untruths and unfounded attacks against the founding truths of my Country, my God, and good citizens.
 
djinwa said:
I keep reading how bloodthirsty killers.

Can anyone tell me how many of them we have killed versus how many of us they have killed, say in the last 50 years?
Was the Daniel Pearl killing bloodthirsty enough for you? Do you think that's an isolated occurance? From the peaceful religion of Islam.

Thank you for your service, Broke Cowboy.
 
I have not seen any figures on who killed more, the Muslims or Christians, but taking into account that the numbers killed in the inquisition have been highly exagerated, and that Muslims have been much more intent on killing those who don't believe like they do, it seems the Muslims probably have killed more.

But as to who killed more: the Athiests have killed far more in the 20th century than Christians and Muslims together in the last 1,000 years.
 
Here's the list of the country's top 10 Muslim capitals:

1.Detroit
2.Washington, D.C.
3.Cedar Rapids, Iowa
4.Philadelphia
5.New York
6.Atlanta
7.Peoria, Illinois
8.San Francisco
9.Houston
10.Chicago

since when are many of these cities "capitals" ?
 
Steve said:
But as to who killed more: the Athiests have killed far more in the 20th century than Christians and Muslims together in the last 1,000 years.

and sadly it is legal...


What is it, like 200,000,000 and counting?

I used to be a brainwashed Protestant, and held brainwashed-biased views on the Inquisition as well. Then I learned to think for myself, and inform myself, and found as with most things, there is more to the story.


How many Catholic Mexicans were killed by the Commie-Marxist-Socialist-Progressives in the early part of the 20th century? Nearly all were civilians, many executed while attending Mass, while the opposition killed where mainly soldiers. In the end, a near draw, but the difference being, one was fighting for survival, the other where mere looters and mooches.
 
The killing we do of muslims is not explicitly in the name of religion, but there is obvious hatred in our country of muslims. I've read on many boards that we should wipe all of them out. The same people are self-professed christians and say we are a christian nation.

As far as the body count, we have a good idea how many of our troops have died. Do we count how many have died at our hands? We destroyed Iraq - how many died? We are now using drone strikes all over - how many innocents are dying? Do we count the bodies?

It was safe to say that our sanctions against Iraq resulted in the deaths of at least 500,000 children. Here is Sec. of State Albright saying it was worth it. Supposedly liberals love muslims, yet she was working for Clinton.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM0uvgHKZe8

I've been told that 25% of muslims are jihadists out to get us. Then I read that there's about 5 million muslims in the U.S. Which means at least a million of them are out killing all the time. Divided by 50 states means there are 20,000 in each state out killing. They seem to be doing a very poor job of it. I haven't heard of any killings by muslims in our area. I hear about all sorts of gang activity and killing by other people. So I don't understand why we spend trillions of dollars worrying about them.

As terrible a people as muslims are, you would think we could just leave them alone. But for some reason we can't. Someone provided a list of killings muslims do of each other. Instead of us having to go kill them, why don't we let them kill themselves off?

I just don't understand our infatuation with messing with them. It has to be at least partly a religious hatred – tribalism – my group against yours.

Why is it we had to overthrow the Iranian government in 1953, then train our dictator's police to brutalize his people? Why did we have to support Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden? Why did we have to get involved in every dispute over there? We knock muslims for being hypocrites and not being peaceful – why is a supposedly Christian nation going out of our way to get involved in all sorts of disputes? Is that what Jesus preached?

Jesus preached to look at ourselves before we condemn others.
 
As for the point that we try to avoid collateral damage. Jesus preached the Golden Rule - do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Now suppose China came over here and tried to save us from Obama by bombing and installing a good leader. Suppose they were careful and only killed a few thousand innocents in the process.

Would we appreciate their efforts to avoid collateral damage?

Would we tolerate China imposing sanctions on us which resulted in our children dying? No, we would retaliate. Many of us would become terrorists.

But apparently the golden rule does not apply to us. Which reminds me when Ron Paul mentioned the golden rule in South Carolina, he was booed. That has to be one of the lowest points in american politics.
 
When was the last time a peacefull muslim gave up one of thier own radicals to the christians or jews for disaplinary action?Would the christians give up the Koran Burning Preacher or yhe movie guy to the Muslims for beheading?The only way yuou will win a war against the muslim involves genocide.There is one other way to win and that is to send old men and women to fight .Not the young.
 
djinwa said:
As for the point that we try to avoid collateral damage. Jesus preached the Golden Rule - do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Now suppose China came over here and tried to save us from Obama by bombing and installing a good leader. Suppose they were careful and only killed a few thousand innocents in the process.

Would we appreciate their efforts to avoid collateral damage?

Would we tolerate China imposing sanctions on us which resulted in our children dying? No, we would retaliate. Many of us would become terrorists.

But apparently the golden rule does not apply to us. Which reminds me when Ron Paul mentioned the golden rule in South Carolina, he was booed. That has to be one of the lowest points in american politics.

:agree: :clap: Two very good posts dinwa....
 
Oldtimer said:
djinwa said:
As for the point that we try to avoid collateral damage. Jesus preached the Golden Rule - do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Now suppose China came over here and tried to save us from Obama by bombing and installing a good leader. Suppose they were careful and only killed a few thousand innocents in the process.

Would we appreciate their efforts to avoid collateral damage?

Would we tolerate China imposing sanctions on us which resulted in our children dying? No, we would retaliate. Many of us would become terrorists.

But apparently the golden rule does not apply to us. Which reminds me when Ron Paul mentioned the golden rule in South Carolina, he was booed. That has to be one of the lowest points in american politics.

:agree: :clap: Two very good posts dinwa....

Now suppose China came over here and tried to save us from Obama by bombing and installing a good leader. Suppose they were careful and only killed a few thousand innocents in the process.

That's the stupidest analogy I have ever heard. :lol: :lol:

Not even slightly realistic.

My 8 year old could have come up with something better than that. :roll:
 
As terrible a people as muslims are, you would think we could just leave them alone

we have tried many times over the last 50+ years to "leave them alone,.. but they continue to support terrorist acts against US and the world..



a wise old friend once said... peace will break out right after the last shot is fired..

we have tried many times to stop fighting, even to the point of losing Americans to appease the radical muslims..

Israel has entered hundreds of cease fires.. released thousands of unlawful combatants.. given in on almost every point the Palestinians asked for.. and still the suicide bombers, rockets, and mortars come at them...

so how many deaths must the civilized world suffer before Islam becomes civilized?
 
The answer is oil.And I was told the answer by a 3 tour combat vet from Pine Ridge.
 
smalltime said:
The answer is oil.And I was told the answer by a 3 tour combat vet from Pine Ridge.

Bet he's a great guy but doubt he's privy to very much info. out of the bowels of Washington.
 
Mike said:
Would Israel see peace if they lay down their arms? :roll:

sure,...


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