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Non-EXT Sire questions

Have you ever stopped and thought about what we would argue and visit about if every cow on everyone's place looked like those two? What would we try to achieve if they were all good? I guess just trying to keep them good would be a pretty big achievement when you think about it.

I would think that bringing up the bottom end is a good goal for anyone. I bet back in history the udders on cattle were pretty good because the ones with poor udders didn't replicate themselves. Nature has a good culling method. It took man to screw them up. :?
 
Big Swede said:
Have you ever stopped and thought about what we would argue and visit about if every cow on everyone's place looked like those two? What would we try to achieve if they were all good? I guess just trying to keep them good would be a pretty big achievement when you think about it.

I would think that bringing up the bottom end is a good goal for anyone. I bet back in history the udders on cattle were pretty good because the ones with poor udders didn't replicate themselves. Nature has a good culling method. It took man to screw them up. :?
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Gcreek could post some of his "haywire" cows so we could tease him! :D I agree about the two cows pictured. Give yourself an atta-boy cause they look great from here! :D Cows that range for themselves, stay in decent flesh, breed back and raise a calf every year are worth a lot. When they have all that and look like those 2 ya got it made! :wink:
 
Big Swede said:
Have you ever stopped and thought about what we would argue and visit about if every cow on everyone's place looked like those two? What would we try to achieve if they were all good? I guess just trying to keep them good would be a pretty big achievement when you think about it.

I would think that bringing up the bottom end is a good goal for anyone. I bet back in history the udders on cattle were pretty good because the ones with poor udders didn't replicate themselves. Nature has a good culling method. It took man to screw them up. :?
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Wouldn't it be wonderful if every rancher was a Republican who ran black cattle? :???: :wink: But you are right, life would then be pretty boring. :-)
 
Soapweed said:
Big Swede said:
Have you ever stopped and thought about what we would argue and visit about if every cow on everyone's place looked like those two? What would we try to achieve if they were all good? I guess just trying to keep them good would be a pretty big achievement when you think about it.

I would think that bringing up the bottom end is a good goal for anyone. I bet back in history the udders on cattle were pretty good because the ones with poor udders didn't replicate themselves. Nature has a good culling method. It took man to screw them up. :?
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Wouldn't it be wonderful if every rancher was a Republican who ran black cattle? :???: :wink: But you are right, life would then be pretty boring. :-)
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Soapweed, quit picking on OT...but, then, shouldn't he be running sheep?!?! :roll: :roll: :wink: :lol:

Wait a minute, I run red cattle...you calling me a liberal????? :???: :mad: :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Grassfarmer said:
RobertMac, yes I have kept several sons - to date not one has bred a daughter with an udder you could fault. Currently we are working on making her the centre piece of our linebreeding program. We have sons and daughters off two different bulls and will cross breed them to create a core group of our herd where we will retain all our herd bulls from (we will be able to perpetuate her blood at 50% for ever if we desire by linebreeding the way we are)
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Grassfarmer, if I was smarter, I would have just looked at your web site. I'm doing about the same thing, just a continent apart. My calves go to grassfed beef, so I'm more worried about what the udder raises and how long it does it, than whether it is perfect or not. Quoting Kit won't endear you with some here, but he is right...when your cattle are right with Nature, they are right! Our biggest obstacle is seeing what Nature is showing us.

I'm working with 3 sire lines at 50%...a southeastern "too much milk" line, a southwest Texas line to reduce the milk, and a Colorado line somewhere in-between.
 
I guess I have to go with the bull as being the biggest influence in udders. I had a poor but maybe typical experience with buying a load of replacement type heifers. They came from a vet who had purchased a large number of cows and didn't need any replacement heifers.
The heifers came out of three simmi bulls he had purchased from some of the most recognized breeders. As the heifers matured three distinct groups emerged. The ones I initially liked the best were the black blaze faced but they had a distinct udder type featuring pickle tits. Nicer looking cows than many breeders picture in their catalogs but a good example of a terminal bull that was way overpriced. Some of the Angus cross females can be good if the sires are udder improvers.
The second group was too tall and too tight wrapped to be good cows. Whatever the breeding that bull had he basically dried those cows up. I didn't know that was possible in Simmental.
The third group are about what I consider the perfect easy doing Simmental cow with nice udders overall. Angus cross females from this group are great cows.
I used to buy most of my replacements and breed terminal bulls. I guess I took the cure with this group, as I was quite disappointed. The fellow had paid over $4000 for those three bulls.
This experience seems to have given me a greater appreciation for Angus. There are indeed good cattle in all breeds, but Angus seem more predictable and good ones don't do too much wrong.
 
Hoop said:
You see it right, but it's not right!!! The counter screwed up around the time the server changed over.
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I guess Oldtimer can relaxe now...I'm sure he's been working his butt off trying to catch you!!! :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: 8)
 
On one of the other sites we have been having a discussion on Rito 707 and his son Rito Legacy 3R9-- where they have been posting some sons, grandsons and granddaughters pictures... I thought I'd throw in a few there and here since this thread was discussing 707...

Whitney Creek Legacy 726T ( a Rito Legacy 3R9 son, out of an Indreland Ext 0501 daughter--- that traces back 18 times to RR Rito 707 and 3 times to Shoshone Viking GD60).. A 4 frame little bull...
He definitely is an easy keeper as he came out of being with the cows for 3 months in pretty fair shape....

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A few of his this years sons:
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Cows have the grass around the waterholes pretty ate down- but its hard to believe its September and the grass is still green and growing...
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Someone commented about never putting bad looking cow pictures on... Well this old gal is getting to look kind of bad...13 years old- and getting pretty stove up and stiff in the rear end..Packing twins this last winter kind of took her down.... Her and a few of the bad bag gals got to go for sure...
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Bulls without EXT

My two votes will be OO4 and Dateline

And many that were never promoted

or 8180 004 sire
 
Justin said:
OT, sure that bull is an easy keeper...try takin the corn away from him. :wink:
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LOL--I wish-- that feedpan was the first he's seen in months- and I only threw it out there so I could get him to stand still long enough to get a better look at a cut on his foot- and get a picture....

Every year he keeps on putting on weight/condition while breeding...Easiest keeping bull I ever owned...And he's apparently doing his job- as the majority of the calves DNAed this year from a multi sire pasture were his....
Some tell me that goes back to the old 707 virility....
 

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