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Question for the "Straight Black Commercial Cow/Calf Ma

Hereford76 said:
I bought a bull sight unseen last spring to clean up on the yearlings and canned him cause he didn't have fully hooded eyes or good enough hair. Its funny, two years ago a guy from New Zealand and a guy from Australia came to view the cattle and all they could talk about was how good the eye sets and tail sets were on the cattle - they really must pay attention to that. I say it is funny cause how often do you hear guys from the US talk about eye set, they talk about pigment but not so much eye set. That pretty interesting.

My customers want to know the breed in many cases when buying my beef.....Angus is the answer they tend to be looking for,

THe angus breed has done an excellent job of developing avenues for their end product. That is exactly what I think is keeping the Herefords from coming back stronger - just not as many avenues for Hereford influenced beef. For a retailer the safe choice is choice beef and/or angus beef.

Hereford,

I have some theories on that......We don't get the calves as fat as Tyson would want and yet are still getting people raving about our steaks..What? Good beef (Tender and Flavorfull) that is not Fat Laden? How can that be? LOL....

It goes to dry aging and it gets harder and harder to find anyone that will let you do it....I understand why, it is the expense...Especially on a large scale, cooler space is expensive..... So, the industry uses fat to get the flavor and tenderness that is associated with the dry aging we do....THe difference is my focus is on trying to make a consistent quality Beef product, not the least expensive.....

In our part of the country, Yokes Grocery store has done as good of a job as anyone promoting Hereford Beef. They are very reputable as having quality food, so that is a good start. The Angus Associations success started with a single step and took time. Yes, they have by far done the Best of any breed in regards to marketing,

PPRM
 
We have a resteraunt that does Certified Hereford Ribeyes and Prime rib.. The Strip steak and Sirloin they do are Angus... I wish they would do a better job with the Prime as it was just about tasteless as far as the seasoning they had on it.. meat was fine but I wanted more flavors and am not a horseradish person...


I like Herfs but I am not a straight black cattle runner either.. We have blacks but I really am liking the 1/2 Red Angus 1/2 Herefords that we bought a few years back.. Wishing I had a whole herd of them instead of just the 30 odd we have left.
 
I really feel that the Hereford association needs to promote the idea that Hereford branded beef eats as good at select as others do at choice and would be healthier at the same time. I think if that idea took root the sky would be the limit for herefords.
 
andybob said:
For anybody that didn't read Knersie's post on the cattletoday forum on Hereford eyeset, here is the link; http://cattletoday.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36508&highlight=hereford+eye+pigment

Thanks andybob. I recently asked over there what they were getting at by eyeset, and now I know. It's exactly what thought they meant. Knersie sure did a great job of describing it.
 
Didn't mention the economic impact of hereford or red colored calves. It may seem like hooy, but when it effects the bottom line, what do you do. I learned a long time ago as we were Hereford breeders, to keep them black to keep the buyers from bitching. It seems like buyers are more concious of color than quality.
 
Didn't mention the economic impact of hereford or red colored calves. It may seem like hooy, but when it effects the bottom line, what do you do. I learned a long time ago as we were Hereford breeders, to keep them black to keep the buyers from bitching. It seems like buyers are more concious of color than quality.

It used to be that way....... Now quality is what is bringing the higher dollar no matter the color... I thought I would slip in and buy some bred hereford hiefiers.... Didn't even get to raise my hand...... They brought top dollar...
 
Doug, you have done an excellent job of breeding great udders into your herd - blacks and Herfs both.

Thank you. I will admit to some cows that aren't quite as good as those but I have tried hard to get my udders in shape. It is an ongoing process though.
 
Doug Thorson said:
Doug, you have done an excellent job of breeding great udders into your herd - blacks and Herfs both.

Thank you. I will admit to some cows that aren't quite as good as those but I have tried hard to get my udders in shape. It is an ongoing process though.

It takes a good udderstanding of the tituation at hand. :wink:
 
Soapweed... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I swear your mind must work overtime...


As for Herefords, I recall a buyer talking about not having a good market for Hereford calves, but Hereford Yearlings was another story. Seems the feedlots love Hereford yearlings. Correct me if I am wrong...as this was just something that popped up in my less-than-perfect memory.
 
Bottom line...if YOU like YOUR cows...and they work for YOU and YOU like lookin' at them day in and day out...and YOU are satisfied with the performance in the field and sale ring.....KEEP'EM



If YOU are not satisfied with any of the above....sell'em and get something different or get out of the biz.


It's kind of a short snappy answer....but it's the truth!
 
kolanuraven said:
Bottom line...if YOU like YOUR cows...and they work for YOU and YOU like lookin' at them day in and day out...and YOU are satisfied with the performance in the field and sale ring.....KEEP'EM



If YOU are not satisfied with any of the above....sell'em and get something different or get out of the biz.


It's kind of a short snappy answer....but it's the truth!

Heck, you are right. We agree for a change. :-)
 
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I said this long ago, I leave for a little bit and come back and we have a new revelation. Now I know kola is a leftie :lol:
 
As for Herefords, I recall a buyer talking about not having a good market for Hereford calves, but Hereford Yearlings was another story. Seems the feedlots love Hereford yearlings

The price cut does get less as the cattle get older. Some has to do with feed efficiency, but a lot has to do with feedyards that have had health problems with calves right off the cow and the whole breed has got a bad rap because of it.
THe price cut on heifer calves works much the same, as they get older usually the gap tightens.
 
Health issues in the feedlot?
Then we need to talk about feeding mineral to the cows and calves
at the ranch. Texas A&M did a study on that and found a direct
correlation between calves fed mineral while on their mothers
having less 'pulls' in the feedlot and making more money.

I have copies of the study if anyone wants it.
 
My cattle get all that good Vigoritone mineral they want year round. I think it was more from some of the poor quality-no cost producers that stuck with the Herefords and didn't really pay attention to a health program.
 
Doug Thorson said:
My cattle get all that good Vigoritone mineral they want year round. I think it was more from some of the poor quality-no cost producers that stuck with the Herefords and didn't really pay attention to a health program.

Doug, let me ad to that comment....

I Have fed some Herefords that did well.....Most of the reputation for initial feeding problems come from the section of Hereford people resistant to change is my belief.......A few pens of calves that aren't preconditioned and mineral deficient can stain the reputations of all...

Note...I am not saying all Hereford people are resistant to change....I am just saying the few that are maybe tainted the reputation of the breed...

PPRM
 

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