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Temple Grandin cattle handling video...what do you think?

Agreed and Agreed!!

I must say one of the best guys I ever worked with in a corral,
used an old broom. He used the straw part across their face,
never hitting them with it. He was a master with that broom.
It's pretty short, ya know, and he had to be in the right place
to use it. It sure will stop a cow in her tracks. Kinda funny to watch.
 
I don't put up with no unessisary ruffnes either. I got some with a foot and a half of horns and we let them take there time gettin down the lane and threw the squeeze shoot. Before that, I get in there with a horse. No use in stressin them more than needed. Sometimes we just pen them to do it or to maybe just pull somethin out and it keeps them dog and pen broke. I do like to see a good dog work and get behind a horse when u tell him to. Or have a cow leave the drive and be able to send 2 after it and they bring it back from a ways off. That's good watchin. These old bobtailed curdogs have been here before fla was a state and with the way cattle r run here they will be here for a while.
 
On the issue of paddle use,it's only as good as the person using it,it's a tool that can come in handy when your working in a coral as an extention of your arm,or if the wrong person is running it ,it'll send the cattle into a frenzy and ruin work that was up to that point going smoothly.A good cowhorse can't be beat,if afoot,usually body position and the use of your arm are sufficient,anybody that's used a paddle is at sometime probably guilty of over use.Generally along the lines of beating the poor bovine where they think he needs to be,and after that treatment they learn to run right through the paddle,or some such story.
 
Just moved some pairs with our new dog dez-she's nice and soft-never got those cows running or on the fight-she's going to be ok I'm thinking. It's been awhile since I've had to move cattle calved in a pen-a bit more of a deal than moving pasture calved cows=those calves learn pretty quick out on grass to find momma's hip and stick with it. We had lopts of time today and muddled throuigh it.
 
Northern Rancher said:
Just moved some pairs with our new dog dez-she's nice and soft-never got those cows running or on the fight-she's going to be ok I'm thinking. It's been awhile since I've had to move cattle calved in a pen-a bit more of a deal than moving pasture calved cows=those calves learn pretty quick out on grass to find momma's hip and stick with it. We had lopts of time today and muddled throuigh it.
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What kind of pup NR?
 
Lots of people have to see it to believe it, but my good dog, Maddie, is as good a help pairing out as you will find. I guess call it motherly intuition, she can move a pair with never a fuss no matter the age of the calf. She is fun to watch. She puts just enough pressure to keep them moving, as soon as the cow gets uncomfortable she dies, when she starts off again Maddie will just crawl along behind. She has taught my other dogs a lot of patience, she very calm and quite. I absolutely do not tolerate a barking dog, there's nothing faster to get a bunch of cows in a frenzy.
 
flyingS said:
Lots of people have to see it to believe it, but my good dog, Maddie, is as good a help pairing out as you will find. I guess call it motherly intuition, she can move a pair with never a fuss no matter the age of the calf. She is fun to watch. She puts just enough pressure to keep them moving, as soon as the cow gets uncomfortable she dies, when she starts off again Maddie will just crawl along behind. She has taught my other dogs a lot of patience, she very calm and quite. I absolutely do not tolerate a barking dog, there's nothing faster to get a bunch of cows in a frenzy.
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She sounds like a thinking dog not a chasing dog. You have a good one. I agree with you on the barking.
 
I got Dezzie at the Miles City College rodeo-her mother was an Idaho Shag-which nobody seems to know for sure consists of-I think there some bearded collie and aussie shephard in them. Her father was a border collie- I sure wish I'd of wrote the ladies name down as she's the smartest dog I've ever owned. The people who had the pups were from Caspar, Wyoming. She doesn't bark much at all either and is easy to call off cattle. I'm not much of a dog wrangler but I'm getting along with her.
 
flyingS said:
Lots of people have to see it to believe it, but my good dog, Maddie, is as good a help pairing out as you will find. I guess call it motherly intuition, she can move a pair with never a fuss no matter the age of the calf. She is fun to watch. She puts just enough pressure to keep them moving, as soon as the cow gets uncomfortable she dies, when she starts off again Maddie will just crawl along behind. She has taught my other dogs a lot of patience, she very calm and quite. I absolutely do not tolerate a barking dog, there's nothing faster to get a bunch of cows in a frenzy.
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I believe you, my Casey dog is similar. I can use her on young pairs too, she takes pressure off by looking in another direction, and just doesn't get in a hurry. She's always been a very quiet moving dog, which helps greatly in this situation. Now my other female dog is another story... let's just say she shines with yearlings more than pairs :lol: .
 
flyingS said:
Seems like a pup will bark a little until they get their confidence. Once that confidence is there they better not ever bark in lets things get pretty hot and heavy. Just my opinion.
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Thats my experience also.
 
Soapweed asked me at church last night if I had been reading the cowdog people vs non cowdog people post. I woke up early and have been reading it ever since!

The German Shepherd- Collie cross dog we had when I was a kid was a very obedient dog and was there when he was needed. Old "Pal" was almost the fifth member of our family of four from the time I was 8 until 18. Since then we have had dingos and Border Collies that have been controllable and stayed on the drag on cattle drives with no particular problems that I recall. While pairing out cows and calves or any other task that required close contact with cattle, they had better stay out of the way!

I am surprised that no one mentioned carrying a buggy whip as an accesory for working catttle. Our family takes many pictures. I am carrying one in most that were taken of me on horseback or afoot.
You can crack them making a large pop sound which is very effective or if sorting a cow out of the bunch and she turned back hitting her in the face with the whip usually turned her around to the desired direction.
With regard to using a stick or cane I am surprised that Soapweed hasn't mentioned Marty's story about Hub! That convinced me not to carry a cane! It has been fun reading about cowdogs the last couple hours but I am glad that I don't have to work cattle today with or without cowdogs. I am about ready to take a nap!
 
flyingS said:
NR some people just don't know when to shut up and back off do they. It's amazing what happen when things go south and you just back off and give them a minute instead of cramming them and losing the whole bunch.
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I'm guessing you like to work alone, with your dogs too :wink: .
 
Pretty much prefer to work alone most of the time with the exception of my family. I trade help to precondition and brand as well as preg. But I have inlaws that I work well with and a neighbor that is as good a neighbor as they come. Sometime I will try to post pictures of his corrals. I've got to brag on him. They are as good to work cattle through as about any I have ever used. Generally he and I along with his dad can work all of his cattle. I think the first time we used it we pregged 300 cow in about 2.5 hrs. It was truly a pleasure.
 
I'm not much on Dogs but I've used sorting sticks and rattle paddles and such but I don't always use one. One interesting thing I have used is a sorting stick with a nylon seed sack tied to the end of it. It's a big enough flag and different enough, cattle respect it for some reason.
 
Mr. FH never, ever hollers around cattle. In fact, he'd almost prefer
no one talks. He never, ever chases cattle or uses a stick, paddle, etc.
He will take his hat off and hold it up as high as he can. That seems to
the trick. The cattle move when he does that. And that's all he does...

Me, I don't wear a hat, so I hold a jacket and shake it at the cattle,
if necessary. That's a trick I learned from the years-ago and highly respected cow boss at Rock Creek Cattle Co.
You can really make a jacket snap if you want! Works for me!
 
Faster horses said:
Mr. FH never, ever hollers around cattle. In fact, he'd almost prefer
no one talks. He never, ever chases cattle or uses a stick, paddle, etc.
He will take his hat off and hold it up as high as he can. That seems to
the trick. The cattle move when he does that. And that's all he does...

Me, I don't wear a hat, so I hold a jacket and shake it at the cattle,
if necessary. That's a trick I learned from the years-ago and highly respected cow boss at Rock Creek Cattle Co.
You can really make a jacket snap if you want! Works for me!
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Oh I gotta holler at 'em. Working cows is my chance to practice my use of expletives and abusive language I can't use in other settings. I find it very therapeutic . :lol:
 

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