Trayvon suspended over marijuana

[Mike]

(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

So? When did Trayvon pull a gun on Zimmerman?

He doesn't have to Einstein. It says "meet force with force".

Not; "meet force with equal force".

Are you as dense as you seem to be?

 

[rammtein7]

Think Progress:
Over the last 48 hours, there has been a sustained effort to smear Trayvon Martin, the 17-year old African-American who was shot dead by George Zimmerman a month ago. Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton, said, "They killed my son, now they're trying to kill his reputation."
Thus far these attacks have fallen into two categories: false and irrelevant. Much of this leaked information seems intended to play into stereotypes about young African-American males. Here's what everyone should know:
1. Prominent conservative websites published fake photos of Martin. Twitchy, a new website run by prominent conservative blogger Michelle Malkin, promoted a photo — purportedly from Martin's Facebook page — that shows Martin in saggy pants and flipping the bird. The photo, which spread quickly on conservative websites and Twitter, is intended to paint Martin as a thug. As Twitchy later acknowledged, it is not a photo of Trayvon Martin. [Examiner]
2. The Sanford Police selectively leaked irrelevant, negative information about Martin. The authorities told the Orlando Sentinel this morning that Trayvon was suspended from school for ten days "after being found with an empty marijuana baggie." There is no evidence that Martin was under the influence of drugs at the time of his death, nor would prior possession of marijuana be a reason for killing him. It's unclear what the relevance of the leak was, other than to smear Martin. [Orlando Sentinel]
3. On Fox News, Geraldo said that Martin was dressed "like a wannabe gangster." Bill O'Reilly agreed with him. The sole evidence is that Martin was wearing a hoodie. Geraldo added that "everyone that ever stuck up a convenience store" was wearing a hoodie. [ThinkProgress; The Blaze]
4. Without any evidence, prominent right-wing bloggers suggested that Martin was a drug dealer. Right-wing blogger Dan Riehl advances the theory, also advanced in a widely linked peice on a site called Wagist. There does not appear to be any evidence to support this claim whatsoever. [Riehl World View]
5. Without any evidence, a right-wing columnist alleged that Martin assaulted a bus driver. Unlike Zimmerman, Trayvon has no documented history of violence. This allegation continues to be advanced by a blogger on the Examiner even after the real reason was leaked to the police and confirmed by the family. [Miami Herald; Examiner]
6. Zimmerman's friend says Martin was to blame because he was disrespectful to Zimmerman. Zimmerman's friend Joe Oliver said that Martin would not have been shot to death if Trayvon had just said "I'm staying with my parents." Of course, Zimmerman was not a police officer, and Trayvon had no duty to tell him who he was or where he was going. [NBC News]
The final part of the effort to smear Trayvon Martin is to link him and his supporters to irresponsible fringe groups like the New Black Panthers and marginal provocateurs like Louis Farrakhan. Threats by these groups are serious and should be investigated, but they have nothing to do with Martin or his supporters. The leader of the effort to associate Martin with these groups is Matt Drudge. You can see how he is framing the story today here.
Ultimately, whether Martin was a perfect person is irrelevant to whether Zimmerman's conduct that night was justified. Clearly, there are two different versions of the events that transpired on February 26, the night Trayvon was killed. There are conflicting statements by witnesses and conflicting evidence as to who was the aggressor. Zimmerman has the right to tell his side of the story. But his opportunity to do this will come in a court of law after he is charged and arrested. In the meantime, Zimmerman's supporters should stop trying to smear the reputation of a dead, 17-year-old boy.

:wink:

 

[hypocritexposer]

I wonder what anyone of us would feel or what our reaction would be if we were lawfully in a public area and realized someone we had no idea of who they were- who displayed no sign/badge of authority- started stalking and following you :???:

No one may ever know the truth of the details behind this incident-- but I can tell you it is going to be a big impediment to any areas trying to pass anymore "Stand your Ground" laws, to the truly organized Neighborhood Watch's, and will add fuel to the fire of the anti-gun movement....

OT, how are you so sure Zimmerman never identified himself after he made contact with Trayvon?

 

[rammtein7]

So? When did Trayvon pull a gun on Zimmerman?

He doesn't have to Einstein. It says "meet force with force".

Not; "meet force with equal force".

Are you as dense as you seem to be?

So Trayvon deserved to die? Here's a hint: No.

 

[Steve]

(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

So? When did Trayvon pull a gun on Zimmerman?

a decent amount of the murders and deaths are at the end of fists and other hard objects ...

firearms were used in 68 percent of murders, 42 percent of robbery offenses and 22 percent of aggravated assaults nationwide.

that means.. 32% of the murders were not by guns..

58% of the robberies didn't use a gun,..

and 78% of the aggravated assaults didn't use a gun...

as for your question.. by some accounts it appears Trayvon reached for and had taken the gun from Zimmerman, and Zimmerman was struggling to get it back..

Registered Hispanic Democrat George Zimmerman Says Trayvon Martin Tried to Take His Gun

George Zimmerman, the Hispanic man who shot Trayvon Martin dead, told police that Trayvon knocked him to the ground and tried to take his gun.

George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch crime captain who shot dead 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, originally told police in a written statement that Martin knocked him down with a punch to the nose, repeatedly slammed his head on the ground and tried to take his gun, a police source told ABC News.

Zimmerman had claimed he had called police about Martin, whom he found suspicious, then went back to his car when Martin attacked him, punching him.

The new information is the most complete version yet of what Zimmerman claims happened on the night of Feb. 26 when he shot and killed the teenager.

In addition, an eyewitness, 13-year-old Austin Brown, told police he saw a man fitting Zimmerman's description lying on the grass moaning and crying for help just seconds before he heard the gunshot that killed Martin.

you seem to have read one version often repeated in the news and felt you know enough to convict this man...

several witness saw the altercation.. most are not speaking publicly or giving out their names..

one witness who heard part of it, made a statement and changed her story when the TV cameras came on.. she has since made a round of tal shows despite not having seen anything and only came out after the police arrived..

who do you believe.

a 13 year old who saw the altercation or a camera happy lady looking for five minutes of fame who even in her own words didn't see anything?

 

[Mike]

So? When did Trayvon pull a gun on Zimmerman?

He doesn't have to Einstein. It says "meet force with force".

Not; "meet force with equal force".

Are you as dense as you seem to be?

So Trayvon deserved to die? Here's a hint: No.

Yep. Just another little wannabe thug off the streets as far as I am concerned.

 

[Martin Jr.]

It seems to me that Trayvon must have had a temper, and a chip on his shoulder. If anyone brought race into it it was probably Trayvor.

That said, it is a tragedy that this should have happened at all.

 

[rammtein7]

He doesn't have to Einstein. It says "meet force with force".

Not; "meet force with equal force".

Are you as dense as you seem to be?

So Trayvon deserved to die? Here's a hint: No.

Yep. Just another little wannabe thug off the streets as far as I am concerned.

Wait. Why am I arguing with you? In the past you've admitted to being a racist and to me, that disqualifies you from the intellectual roll call. Must remember to look at who I'm replying to...

 

[rammtein7]

It seems to me that Trayvon must have had a temper, and a chip on his shoulder. If anyone brought race into it it was probably Trayvor.

That said, it is a tragedy that this should have happened at all.

And it wouldn't have if Zimmerman would have followed instructions.

 

[Steve]

So? When did Trayvon pull a gun on Zimmerman?

He doesn't have to Einstein. It says "meet force with force".

Not; "meet force with equal force".

Are you as dense as you seem to be?

So Trayvon deserved to die? Here's a hint: No.

your "deserve to die" is such a childish stupid argument...

take the time to read the police report, and the witness accounts.. read them critically..

and then you decide which one should have died that night..

 

[rammtein7]

He doesn't have to Einstein. It says "meet force with force".

Not; "meet force with equal force".

Are you as dense as you seem to be?

So Trayvon deserved to die? Here's a hint: No.

your "deserve to die" is such a childish stupid argument...

take the time to read the police report, and the witness accounts.. read them critically..

and then you decide which one should have died that night..

Here's the decision, Neither. The self-appointed Zimmerman should have minded his own. Trayvon should have not fought back. Easy peasy lemon squeezy.

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

It seems to me that Trayvon must have had a temper, and a chip on his shoulder. If anyone brought race into it it was probably Trayvor.

That said, it is a tragedy that this should have happened at all.

And it wouldn't have if Zimmerman would have followed instructions.

From what I have read he was following instructions from the police. He was returning to his truck when he was attacked. :?

 

[rammtein7]

It seems to me that Trayvon must have had a temper, and a chip on his shoulder. If anyone brought race into it it was probably Trayvor.

That said, it is a tragedy that this should have happened at all.

And it wouldn't have if Zimmerman would have followed instructions.

From what I have read he was following instructions from the police. He was returning to his truck when he was attacked. :?

Yeah, if you believe the killer and not the dead kid who can't defend himself.

 

[hypocritexposer]

a 13 year old who saw the altercation or a camera happy lady looking for five minutes of fame who even in her own words didn't see anything?

I saw an interview with the 13 yr old. He was also black

 

[hypocritexposer]

And it wouldn't have if Zimmerman would have followed instructions.

From what I have read he was following instructions from the police. He was returning to his truck when he was attacked. :?

Yeah, if you believe the killer and not the dead kid who can't defend himself.

and the district attorney


If his guilt is as oobvious as you believe, why hasn't the FBI or DOJ filed charges yet?

 

[rammtein7]

a 13 year old who saw the altercation or a camera happy lady looking for five minutes of fame who even in her own words didn't see anything?

I saw an interview with the 13 yr old. He was also black

And that matters why?

 

[Steve]

It seems to me that Trayvon must have had a temper, and a chip on his shoulder. If anyone brought race into it it was probably Trayvor.

That said, it is a tragedy that this should have happened at all.

And it wouldn't have if Zimmerman would have followed instructions.

if...

lets start with an earlier if..

if Trayvon hadn't have been caught with a backpack full of stolen jewelry when he was caught leaving graffiti he wouldn't have been expelled from school..

and then his mother wouldn't have been so ticked off when he was expelled for smokin marijuana and when he punched the school bus driver.. getting him self expelled for the third or fourth time.. and she
wouldn't have sent him to stay with his father...

so if Trayvon had just not broken the law and gotten expelled,,, he wouldn't have been out that night.. in a strange neighborhood acting suspicious..

if..

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

And it wouldn't have if Zimmerman would have followed instructions.

From what I have read he was following instructions from the police. He was returning to his truck when he was attacked. :?

Yeah, if you believe the killer and not the dead kid who can't defend himself.

Well Trayvon wasn't shot running away. :roll:

George had been punched in the face and been on his back with his head beat up.

 

[hypocritexposer]

a 13 year old who saw the altercation or a camera happy lady looking for five minutes of fame who even in her own words didn't see anything?

I saw an interview with the 13 yr old. He was also black

And that matters why?

because you seem to have a problem believing a Hispanic, but seem to want to believe everything a black person like Rev. Sharpton or Farakhan tell you.


Why do you hate Hispanics so much?

 

[rammtein7]

I saw an interview with the 13 yr old. He was also black

And that matters why?

because you seem to have a problem believing a Hispanic, but seem to want to believe everything a black person like Rev. Sharpton or Farakhan tell you.


Why do you hate Hispanics so much?

Aren't you adorable? Good try. Race doesn't matter. We're all the same species.