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USFW & GF&P story from RCJ

Our fellas, well the Fire department at least and the ambulance service, are okay as long as you tell them to come to old Skeeters place, a fella who hasn't lived here for 50 years, lol.... Of course, thse are all volunteer/ part time organizations.. But try telling the 911 operator that their is a fire at your address and they might end up 20 miles in the wrong direction from you :lol: :lol:
 
You proved nothing



I have never doubted the authority of the game wardens. They have it that is not in disputed.

All I am saying is if you would listen, the sheriff should be in the loop. The game warden would do this unless he thinks he is the allmighty God. or has something to hide.

After all the sheriff is elected and has to answer to the people and at many times is the only sane bridge between the people and a sometimes overzealous game warden.

Next time listen instead of getting on your high horse. Oh and you never proved JB was lying, in fact after you called him a liar you admitted he could be telling the truth.

Next time listen instead of getting on your high horse. You are still welcome to prove JB a liar if that is what you believe or not, or not, or not
 
i would think personal safety itself should be taken into account here!

if the agent going to arrest someone without notifying the local agency ran into a firefight and local inforcment had not been notified it is possible that NO ONE would know who the good guy was when re inforcments arrived, and started shooting at the wrong target i believe and Oldtimer can correct me, it is pretty much a requirement by all agencys to notify the local angency when conducting an arrest or an investigation!

P JOE while i agree with some of the things you have said in other postings i think you are out of line in this one.
 
I think PJ has done well with his arguments. Good job PJ.......

You should know by now that once you get on the other side of the river, you have entered a different world. One where reason has no place, and its their way or the hiway........they know it all and are not afraid to tell ya, or call ya names when they cant compete with you. Its too bad. They almost act like librals with their name calling.
 
P Joe said:
3 examples that prove JB wrong.

Where was the sheriff at in thes 2 examples??? Seems to me that GF&P has the same authority as the HP and Sheriff :shock:

A Trooper was called to assist Game, Fish and Park officers at Diamond Lake. The GF&P broke up an underage drinking party; and some of the juveniles ran off. One even ran into the lake, but was brought in by a Warden. Three vehicles were towed because they had driven into State land where driving was not allowed. While inventorying a car, the Trooper found some drug paraphernalia. He was able to find its owner and cited him.

Several Troopers assisted GF&P officers at an underage beer party at Diamond Lake in northwest Minnehaha County. Numerous arrests for underage drinking were made along with an arrest for possession of marijuana. A GF&P officer was assaulted by one of the young male drinkers and he was arrested for Simple Assault.

A Trooper stopped a vehicle in Gregory County resulting in the driver being placed under arrest for DUI. While performing a vehicle inventory, two undersized walleyes were found hidden in the boat. A Conservation Officer was called and the suspect was cited for two counts of "fish length" violation as well. The vehicle had fifty-five cans of beer in it that appeared to have been recently consumed.

http://www.hp.state.sd.us/back/061502.htm

This does not prove me wrong. This proves that in your neck of the woods, GF&P has some power. Mostly on STATE owned land.

I am going by what the Deputy sherriff who lives close to me, in THIS county told me. I merely repeated what he told me. I did not lie.

Maybe he got it wrong. But he also mentioned that GF&P did not like that our Sherriff said that his deptartment has more power than GF&P. Or anyone else. Read the constitution.

We have a Deputy who lives within 15 miles of here and there is pretty much always one patroling within a half an hour of this area.

There is a GF&P official one hour from me on either side. Neither have ever been to my place. The Deputy has.

I went to highschool with the sherriff.

My wife see's the sherriff almost daily, at her job.

I own and run on all private ground.

Soooo, with all of this knowledge, you tell me, who am I going to call, if I have a problem with tresspassers?

I'll call the Sherriff's office, thank you. You call the GF&P.

I've called the GF&P and gotten no response, for the simplew fact that there are fewer of them to cover a larger area. They can't get to all the places that could use their help.

Maybe you need to realize that out here in west river, we live farther apart and have less people and therefore less GF&P officials, not withstanding the Black Hills area.

Before you get on your high horse and accuse me of lying, maybe you need to understand what I am saying, first.

State Statute maybe says GF&P has more power, but in practice, our local sherriff's Department has the power, around here.

I don't know if there has ever been a showdown between them.

Again, if I have a problem with tresspass, I will call the Sherriff's Dept. I'm sure I will get quicker results.

Also, most tresspass would come about during a hunting season. In the past, I have informed the people tresspassing that they were on private land and that they should go back to the land they were told they could be on. With a smile. No problem so far. Other than some trash alongside my road which showed up, right after I informed some people of this. Wonder who put it there?

You see, PJ, out here we don't bother our local law enforcement people with problems, when we can handle them ourselves. And we ain't real big on lawyers and courts. Maybe that's why we all seem to get along pretty good and don't have many problems with each other.

I know pretty much everyone who lives in a 50 mile radius of me. They are all considered my neighbors. If I have a problem with any of them, we can set down and discuss it and resolve the problem. It's worked for years that way.

Hence, my asking you to stop in and we'd discuss it.

I guess things just work different out here. :roll:
 
Southdakotahunter said:
I think PJ has done well with his arguments. Good job PJ.......

You should know by now that once you get on the other side of the river, you have entered a different world. One where reason has no place, and its their way or the hiway........they know it all and are not afraid to tell ya, or call ya names when they cant compete with you. Its too bad. They almost act like librals with their name calling.

Yup, you are right in that we seem to think and act different out here. We hold people accountable for what they do and say. We help out our neighbors, as in all the fires we all went to last summer. We spent days and nights helping our neighbors try and save some property from fire. When the "officials" showed up and would send us home, as they had it "under control" we got so we knew we would just be back later, when it would flare back up. Gets you to where you look with a jaundiced eye at "officials".

You and PJ's responses on here make me remember why east river hunters have gotten the reputaion they have, around these parts. As for me, some of the best hunters I ever had to deal with came from east river. Oh well, we come from different worlds. And they treated me and those I live around with respect.

As noted above, if you don't care for the way we live and act in these parts, maybe you better not come out. We like our visitors to enjoy themselves and remember us fondly. Funny, most seem too.

Saaaayyy, you didn't go and pee in somebody's cornflakes while you were visiting out here did you? Probably got your ears boxed and a scolding? Suuurrrre, no onder you don't enjoy coming out here.

As I said before, we expect people to be accountable for their words and deeds. Some of these younger guys don't hold real well with being abused. :wink:

Well, hope you have fun back east, cuz it sure don't sound like you would out here. :)

Hate to not have you visit little buddy, but I guess I would hate it more if you didn't enjoy yourself, while out in the big wide open. :D
 
You would be surprised how often i am out west river JB. BEAUTIFUL country out there thats for sure. Im glad you and I agree that its a different world once you cross the mighty Mo. I have never peeeeeed in anyones wheaties or anything else. I have hunted out there before and have recieved the finger for driving down the road. Chewed out for turning around in a driveway, and harrassed for looking at deer with my binos from the road onto privat property where i didnt have permission. If thats peeing then maybe i did (all in Jones county i might add)It seems like the ones you and i remember most are the ones that rub you the wrong way, funny how that works.The ones i deal with when im out west are and have always been very hospitable. hey get along and appreciate the GFP as much as the GFP appreciates them. Your right about how spread out the gfp officers are and its a shame.

I usually come out west for a week or so during the spring/summer/fall and help work some fence, get the small grains out, brand, or whatever is going on. In return, i get some awsome hunting. We have one heck of a good time when i come out and i am always invited back. The helping out the neighbor doesnt stop when you hit the river their JB, theres a BUNCH of that out here too.
 
passin thru said:
You proved nothing

I have never doubted the authority of the game wardens. They have it that is not in disputed.

All I am saying is if you would listen, the sheriff should be in the loop. The game warden would do this unless he thinks he is the allmighty God. or has something to hide.

After all the sheriff is elected and has to answer to the people and at many times is the only sane bridge between the people and a sometimes overzealous game warden.

Next time listen instead of getting on your high horse. Oh and you never proved JB was lying, in fact after you called him a liar you admitted he could be telling the truth.

Next time listen instead of getting on your high horse. You are still welcome to prove JB a liar if that is what you believe or not, or not, or not

Then what are we arguing about?? And when did I get a horse???

You guys sit there and tell me that I'm wrong yet you have posted nothing to prove that you are right. You guys said the the sheriff should have had jurisdiction over the arrest. I don't understand why. It was a federal game warden and federal game laws. I think I have more than proven my point that it was right to have a federal game warden do the arrest. I don't agree that he puts cuffs on the guy, but he should have been the one to write the ticket.

JB was the one that told me I was wrong. If that is what his sheriff is telling him, then his sheriff is wrong. I'm sorry I don't see you side of the argument on this. As in the examples I have posted, there wasn't one time where local law enforcement was notified. And when they called for back up it was the HP, not the sheriff.

I don't argue that you might get better service from the sheriff for trespassing violation. It is not a game law violation and I am not arguing that point. I think the sheriff does have jurisdiction over those things. What I find funny, is when you are questioned or someone doesn't agree wtih you, you personall attack and call that person names!
 
Jinglebob said:
This does not prove me wrong. This proves that in your neck of the woods, GF&P has some power. Mostly on STATE owned land.

ummmm...... we live in the same state. Are you saying that the rules are applied differently for you neck of the woods vs my neck of the woods??

If so, then please explain why that is.

Jinglebob said:
I am going by what the Deputy sherriff who lives close to me, in THIS county told me. I merely repeated what he told me. I did not lie.

Maybe he got it wrong. But he also mentioned that GF&P did not like that our Sherriff said that his deptartment has more power than GF&P. Or anyone else. Read the constitution.

We have a Deputy who lives within 15 miles of here and there is pretty much always one patroling within a half an hour of this area.

There is a GF&P official one hour from me on either side. Neither have ever been to my place. The Deputy has.

I went to highschool with the sherriff.

My wife see's the sherriff almost daily, at her job.

I own and run on all private ground.

How does any of this prove that the sheriff should have handled a case where federal game laws were violated??


Jinglebob said:
Soooo, with all of this knowledge, you tell me, who am I going to call, if I have a problem with tresspassers?

I'll call the Sherriff's office, thank you. You call the GF&P.

I've called the GF&P and gotten no response, for the simplew fact that there are fewer of them to cover a larger area. They can't get to all the places that could use their help.

Maybe you need to realize that out here in west river, we live farther apart and have less people and therefore less GF&P officials, not withstanding the Black Hills area.

I am not arguring about tresspassing and who gets called. Please stick to the case at hand. Like Passin Thru wrote. "That is comparing apples to oranges"


Jinglebob said:
Before you get on your high horse and accuse me of lying, maybe you need to understand what I am saying, first.

What high horse. When did I buy a horse??


Jinglebob said:
State Statute maybe says GF&P has more power, but in practice, our local sherriff's Department has the power, around here.

I don't know if there has ever been a showdown between them.

Again, if I have a problem with tresspass, I will call the Sherriff's Dept. I'm sure I will get quicker results.

Also, most tresspass would come about during a hunting season. In the past, I have informed the people tresspassing that they were on private land and that they should go back to the land they were told they could be on. With a smile. No problem so far. Other than some trash alongside my road which showed up, right after I informed some people of this. Wonder who put it there?

You see, PJ, out here we don't bother our local law enforcement people with problems, when we can handle them ourselves. And we ain't real big on lawyers and courts. Maybe that's why we all seem to get along pretty good and don't have many problems with each other.

I know pretty much everyone who lives in a 50 mile radius of me. They are all considered my neighbors. If I have a problem with any of them, we can set down and discuss it and resolve the problem. It's worked for years that way.

Hence, my asking you to stop in and we'd discuss it.

I guess things just work different out here. :roll:

How does a trepassing issue compare to what we are talking about. I am not and will not argure about tresspassing. I agree with you on that. The pilot was not charged with simple tresspassing. He was charged with much different crimes.

I don't think I would care to discuss things in person with you. Since all you can do on here is call me names and poke fun. Seems to me it would be like arguring with a school yard bully.

If I am soooo off my rocker on this, then please post some examples of where a sheriff has hauled someone in for poaching a deer, or shooting a pheasant past sunset, or shot 1 to many pheasants, or didn't have the proper licenses, or any game law violation. Since you are "right" then it shouldn't be too hard to find some. :D
 
[quote-"pjoe"]You guys said the the sheriff should have had jurisdiction over the arrest[/quote]
I did not say that, I say he should be informed and know an arest is coming down.

On JB, he said he talked to his sheriff and you called him a liar. I only asked you to prove he didn't talk to his sheriff.


Did someone call you a name, well you can tell your teacher right after show and tell :cry2:
 
Southdakotahunter said:
I think PJ has done well with his arguments. Good job PJ.......

You should know by now that once you get on the other side of the river, you have entered a different world. One where reason has no place, and its their way or the hiway........they know it all and are not afraid to tell ya, or call ya names when they cant compete with you. Its too bad. They almost act like librals with their name calling.

I know. I am starting to see it. If you don't see eye to eye with them, then you a slob hunter, or east river, or some other creative name they think off. They tell me I need to post evidence when calling some one wrong or a liar. But when they tell me I am wrong, all they have is some put down to write.
 
fulton said:
Or

AHHH, poor baby... Does those count PJOE?

A little name calling in jest is fine, I think I have been a good sport about it, but while I sit here and try to prove my case and post exmaples to back my side of things, they only have name calling. Not one of them have posted anything to support their view. Have they???
 
passin thru said:
I did not say that, I say he should be informed and know an arest is coming down.

Thats fine and that's your opinion. But in the examples I have posted, it does not work that way. It is not policy per say. If you think it should be then I would suggest talking to you senators and getting it changed. As far as what happened, The GF&P was not and is not required to notify the local sheriff. That's my point.

passin thru said:
On JB, he said he talked to his sheriff and you called him a liar. I only asked you to prove he didn't talk to his sheriff.

No, you didn't say that and I called him a liar about what was the right procedure. Maybe you need to listen a little better? If his sheriff did say that, then maybe he needs a lesson on proper protocol.

passin thru said:
Did someone call you a name, well you can tell your teacher right after show and tell :cry2:

Na, that's alright. I'm a big boy and am sure I will get over it. Yep already am. Just pointing out the fact that while I sit here and prove my case, all you can do is sit there and call names. You complain about liberals doing this. ARE you one??? :D
 
Thats fine and that's your opinion. But in the examples I have posted, it does not work that way. It is not policy per say. If you think it should be then I would suggest talking to you senators and getting it changed. As far as what happened, The GF&P was not and is not required to notify the local sheriff. That's my point.
You are right, they are not required to notify the sheriff, it would only be profesional courtesy to do so. Unless they think they are above trying to work with the sheriff.


No, you didn't say that and I called him a liar about what was the right procedure. Maybe you need to listen a little better? If his sheriff did say that, then maybe he needs a lesson on proper protocol.
That is too what I said, if you think not prove it


Na, that's alright. I'm a big boy and am sure I will get over it. Yep already am. Just pointing out the fact that while I sit here and prove my case, all you can do is sit there and call names. You complain about liberals doing this. ARE you one???
I don't think I called you a name, but if you can find where I did, I APOLOGIZE. Man if you can't stand a little jest(which I did do) I would suggest a little meditation, vacation, or stay in from recess and take a nap.
 
The 1986 South Miami shootout where 2 FBI Agents were killed and 5 more were wounded awakened the FBI to the need to work with and coordinate with local authorities on their actions...Brought about the FBI's agreeability to join into "task forces"- where many times before that they couldn't lower themselves to work with "locals"....

It also impressed upon the FBI administration the need to upgrade the power and types of weapons they pack....

From his past history it appears that someday this Federal Wardens butt will be hanging way over the edge and he'll learn the lesson too... :wink:
 

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