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West River Lockout landowners are bad folks...

I would like to know what it is that hunters do that they can claim that all the game belongs to all the people?Maybe it's the raffle ticket on the shotgun you buy at the Elks Club.Maybe it's buying that 4wheel drive truck that gives you that right to make that claim?What part of feeding and watering of the game herd does the hunter take resposibility for?The answer i see is none.The gfp does damn little more.The game on my land belongs to me.You hunters and game wardens can like it or not .It makes no difference to me.btw yesterday I had a broadside 50 yard shot at the biggest dog coyote I've seen in years.I passed him up because we've got acalling contest next week and he shore enuff will make awinnig entry.It dont bother me to let them go because if they can kill acalf off one of my cows they deserve it.
 
THERE YA GO RIGHT THERE......SMALLTIME HAS SAID IT FOR THE LOCKOUT FOLKS. I really dont care if ya shoot a yote or not. But Smalltime shows his Small Brain when it comes to the critters. I think you spoke for all the lockout folks. Now, finally, everyone will see what freaks they really are. (here comes the cutn and pastn!)
 
I dont care if you charge to hunt. I dont care if you dont let others hunt. Dont hide behind the lockout since you probably didnt allow hunting in the first place.

You know what really gets some of the pay to hunt folks? THis is good and it pisses them off! Many shove the $ into their pocket. Isnt it income that should be reported? Ask them for a reciept so we can claim it on taxes because this is a business expense.....they get pissed because they have no intension of claiming the $ as income and dont want anything to do their name with the IRS.
 
SDHunter . I do not speak for anyone.I speak only for myself.The coyote was on my nieghbors land making him my nieghbors coyote.I respect property rights.I am not locked out and I have never charged for hunting.My kids and my friends always hunt here.I am not afreak.I have an anger problem.If you are going to pass out phsycoanalysis get it right.Iagree that hunting income should be reported on income tax.Also hunters should be able to deduct gas,licence fees and beer.If you have a membership in Ducks Unlimited the Whole trip should be deductible.
 
do you have some problem with Ducks Unlimited ?And just what is it that makes you laugh?I don't see anything funny about it.I would also like to know what it is I don't know about coyotes?
 
smalltime said:
do you have some problem with Ducks Unlimited ?And just what is it that makes you laugh?I don't see anything funny about it.I would also like to know what it is I don't know about coyotes?
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Does Ducks Unlimited buy land and set it aside for ducks in the Dakotas or do they just take your money and buy land in Canada to idle for raising ducks.
 
Stevec - I hate to be rude, but would you please take your loony ideas and your harebrained philosophies back to the political page?

For the most part, the folks who frequent Ranch Talk are here to discuss down to earth issues that affect our day-to-day lives and we have no desire to try to decipher your psychobabble.

I really don't know if there is a nice way of telling someone to get lost, but that is exactly what I'm trying to say.

Goodbye.
 
My point is that the members of DU spend more than just a licence fee to support wildlife.I have never locked out but with the bad attitude that Iincreasingly get from hunters the more I consider it.Maybe A lockout on public land wouldn't be a bad idea.After all landowners have ashare in public land too.
 
Good point smalltime. Hunters, like our friend SDhunter here, often forget that landowners are citizens too, and as such, we own just as much of the public wildlife and the public land as they do. We have also invested a lot of OUR resources to benefit them. We feed and house the wildlife and spend a lot of time and money to eradicate problems that stem from public lands, i.e. predators, prairie dogs, noxious weeds and wildfires, just to name a few.

You're not the only one getting doggone sick of hunters who treat our private land like it belongs to them and they are doing us a favor by shooting those big bucks. Most of them wouldn't dream of shooting a doe, which is the only way that hunting will even begin to "manage" the deer population. The peace and quiet we've enjoyed during the last three years that we've been locked out has been wonderful.
 
stevec said:
Liberty Belle said:
we refuse to be bound by rules written by GF&P that take away our right to regulate who drives around in our pastures,
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Also, the owner charging $3000 to hunt the deer is more than a little absurd, imo. Yet if the same deer walked into government lands it was free and okay to hunt. Thus we have turned the old system on its head, and it seems just as illogical.

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You could alway's hunt the state land.But everyone knows all the Game is on private developed farm and ranchland. Better eats.

Around here hunters buy a productive farm because there were lots of deer on it.First thing they do is cut all the fences than plant thousands of pine trees,They let the hayfield's go uncut and grow up to brush and weeds.

If someone want's to charge for hunting I say go for it if you don't want to pay to hunt there's state and county land here that's productive if you want to work for the game.

Most hunter's are LAZY they would rather pay so they could drive right up and shoot deer than walk in on some state ground and have to drag any thing out for free.

Knowone owe's HUNTER'S anything if they want the best hunting get out their checkbooks. either pay to hunt or purchase land and pay taxes and maintain a healthy habitat.Paying to hunt would be cheaper and you could hunt different area's or states everyyear as in everything MONEY TALKS.
 
I really dont understand you people. WHEN have i ever said or even came close to meaning i think you owe me anything? I have never,ever said you owe me, or "us hunters a dime. You are absolutly right. some so called "hunters would rather drive right up and shoot a deer than having to work for it. I will be one of the first to say its alot easier to get the animal halfway reasonable to a trail or road. Heck the less work after the harvest the better BUT i can tell you, the last deer i shot was on public land, and i hauled the animal nearly 5 miles by cart out....no driving, no shooting from a vehical, no shooting it from a road.....i walked in and i walked out. ya, some can buy land for hunting, i cant afford that and i cant afford to pay. I have no problem not getting an animal, the hunt is about the time out, the friendships that develop and the time away from the "real world" And ya know what...it was a doe! I got an email from the gfp about a program my kid was in, where landowners can contact hunters to have them hunt. My son had an antlerless deer tag and put his name on the list. The gfp sent out a questionair about the program and our thoughts, did we get called and everything......after i filled out the questionair and responded, i got this as a response from the gfp, here is a short take from part of it........

Finally, several of you commented about landowners who do not allow hunting on their property should not receive depredation assistance from GFP.
This is exactly how the GFP Wildlife Damage Management program operates. To receive depredation assistance from GFP (among other things), a landowner must allow reasonable public (non-family) access to hunt the species they are complaining about. Areas that do not allow public access for whatever reason (lockout, pay-to-hunt, firearms restrictions in towns/cities/etc.) will not receive GFP depredation assistance. Some of this is explained in an article in the upcoming 2006 January/February Conservation Digest which is at the printers right now.
 
I guess what i am really trying to say is this....Dont complain because hunters are buying land to use for hunting. Dont complain if the animals do some depredation if you dont try to manage the herd or pack. Sure the animals will go where the best feed is to eat, that dont mean animals are not on public lands. I could show you many ranches/farms that dont manage their lands worth a darn. Their pastures look like parking lots, their cattle look like they are starving, they cut and plow every sq inch of ground, use roundup ready everything, plow all residue under in the fall and wonder where their topsoil went. For as many good stewards of the land, there is a bad one and i really think the gfp manages their grounds as well as anyone. .
 
Ducks Unlimited projects have made alot of ranches become viable in our country up here-the diking they've done has opened up alot of meadow land for grazing and haying that otherwise would flood.
 
I guess i dont see a big difference around here with what DU has contributed, however i do believe that for every $2 the state gets from a state waterfowl stamp, DU matches it. It will upset people like Liberty Bell to much to think that $ may be used to create something good like a waterhole or a marsh, instead of giving them the $$ for the feed the duck may eat. We have some huge problems with Canada geese in the eastern part of our state, yet you dont hear the landowners crying too much about what they eat and i can tell ya 40 geese in a flock can do some major damage to new soybean sprouts. Guess what they do about it? They invite hunters to come out and shoot them. They dont have too and they even call the GFP when there is problems with them since they cant read minds and dont know from one yr to the next where the geese may be causing problems... they do what they can, noise makers etc, but they realize they have to be killed to "try" to keep their numbers under control but if you dont hunt them, you have no right to complain, kind of like voting. If you didnt vote, dont complain.
 
DU has some good stewardship programs. They have helped with water and grazing projects on alot of places. Where I have problems is when they were moving into areas and buying or long term leasing of land to idle and competeing with actual producers. Alot of the money used for that was US duck stamp money and donations from doctors in texas ect. that would get their name on a fancy plaque at the corner of the land.
 
DU has agreements with land owners to delay haying. If they pay thats fine. In areas like the Allen Hills they tied up alot of land that was idled. NO USE.
That doesn't help communities either as we have enough rural depopulation.
 

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