Ben, the master plan

[Sandhusker]

I could care less about COOL, like i've said many times before, I just don't see the signifincance in it. But, I will guarantee this, within two years after the implementation of COOL the cattle producers won't be any better off for it!

Best Regards
Ben Roberts

There's significance of COOL in Korea..... If I could be assured that we got the COOL R-CALF is pushing for and then got the checkoff working in harmony with it, I'd bet you anything you were willing to lose that producers would be better off. We've already got examples of it working in other countries. I try to learn from other's actions.

 

[DiamondSCattleCo]

Aren't they keeping track of the drug-free animals after they're quartered? If the slaughter house can't make data entries, they'll either not buy those cattle or they'll fix it so they can. We're not building a rocket here.

So what are you saying Sandhusker? That we in Canada should change our CCIA database so that you guys in the US can use it to store data?

Ever watch Home Improvement?

"I don't think so Tim"

Almost no producer in Canada will allow access to their information from a foreign government. Nor should we have to. Its the US that wants COOL, the US should have to gain the infrastructure to support it.

As for the link to drug free, no, the CCIA does not have this information. Individual companies have linked into the CCIA database with treatment information, and individual producers have allowed select portions of information to be released to those drug companies.

As far as looking at costs and ignoring benefits, I'm not. What I'm trying to hammer into you is exactly that. We have something that would be of a certain benefit, even to Canadian producers. Or even especially to Canadian producers. But if the costs outweigh the benefits, whats the point in doing it? Like I said in the quoted text:

"Those costs will come out of our pockets, while any premiums that can be had will go straight into the packers pockets."

Perhaps this is a little carte blanche, but will the benefit outweigh the costs?

Rod

 

[RobertMac]

The point of all my ramblings with Sandhusker is that I'm not afraid of COOL, but rather afraid of anything that increases costs of our product, whether it be American or Canadian. Those costs will come out of our pockets, while any premiums that can be had will go straight into the packers pockets.

That's not the point, that's the problem....the low cost mindset. We can never produce a pound of beef as cheaply as a pound of pork or poultry and producers be able to earn a profit...why pursue a goal that will end up hurting us?????? Who do you think is going to be giving up dollars so the consumer can buy at a cheaper price???????????? It's not going to be those first in line from the consumer...all dollars in the industry come from the consumer!!!!!

Our goal needs to be quality, nutrition, and safety! Look at what the pressure to produce low cost beef has gotten us...E.coli recalls because grinders are putting in questionable trim to try to under cut the competition...so goes ground beef, so goes our industry! Those recalls, BSE media coverage, and the thirty years of negative propaganda against animal fats has cost us market share. Turn those issues around and we turn demand around and we can lose the low cost mindset. The multi-protein packers aren't going to help us do that because it would mean criticizing their own products. We, producers, have to do it by taking back control of our industry...you start by selling your best cattle through BEEF ONLY programs...let Tyson and Cargill buy your culls.

 

[RobertMac]

"Those costs will come out of our pockets, while any premiums that can be had will go straight into the packers pockets."

So, how do we, as producers, capture those premiums????????????????????????

 

[Sandhusker]

Rod, "Almost no producer in Canada will allow access to their information from a foreign government. Nor should we have to. Its the US that wants COOL, the US should have to gain the infrastructure to support it."

Fine. I'll toss it back your way. If you want to sell your product in our country, you make the adjustments. I've identified 37 countries that already have COOL, how are you handling it for them?

Rod, "Perhaps this is a little carte blanche, but will the benefit outweigh the costs?"

First response; Why wouldn't it?

Second response; What's the alternative? Continue the status quo of the packers supplying consumers with mystery meat while they continue to advance their plans of securing more alternative suppliers that can kick our ash on costs? What are you going to do when the packers tell you that they don't need your cattle, Brazil is supplying them now?

 

[MoGal]

http://www.decaturfeedyard.com/standards/index.html

I don't know anything about this feedyard but if they can track it why can't others? With computer technology such as it is, we surely have someone smart enough to come up with a working program.

 

[Anonymous]

http://www.decaturfeedyard.com/standards/index.html

I don't know anything about this feedyard but if they can track it why can't others? With computer technology such as it is, we surely have someone smart enough to come up with a working program.

MoGal-- many thousands of cattle going out of my area have been going into feedlots that are set to track everything coming thru their lots-- that is the reason they wanted the signed affidavits which included ALL the feed, pasture location, shots, birth period, etc... Then with the brand inspection certificate they had 3rd party verification of previous ownership-and change of ownership/date... And the hot iron brand gave them a permanent backup means of ID along with an ID recognized by the courts...

These feedlot reps told me that as soon as these cattle are unloaded from the trucks--along with the shots they give prior to putting in the lot- they are IDed with the feedlots method of ID (tags, RFID tags, or eyeball reader- whatever) and the affidavits and the paperwork all cross referenced to their ID-- which went right thru slaughter and could be included right in the boxed beef headed to Asia.....

So it can/is being done.......In fact just the other day, I helped a rep run down a rancher who had changed address's to get an affidavit signed that they had lost/destroyed (?) because the cattle were ready to go to slaughter...

 

[Bill]

http://www.decaturfeedyard.com/standards/index.html

I don't know anything about this feedyard but if they can track it why can't others? With computer technology such as it is, we surely have someone smart enough to come up with a working program.

Yep Decatur is doing it and charging for it. I have never been there but a buddy of mine has fed cattle their for quite some time and speaks very highly of them.

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While processing your cattle at Decatur County Feed Yard, if your cattle don't already have one, we will attach an electronic tag to each animal and cross-reference the number with your ranch ID tag. You will receive an arrival package and Arrival Report that includes ranch ID verification with individual processing weight, measured backfat, and hip height distribution, lot value sheet, and a lot breakeven projection.

Calves will be electronically measured at least two times and sorted into marketing groups utilizing ultrasound, video image, and electronic scales to most effectively hit the value based grid target. When the cattle reach the optimum date to maximize the net income per individual animal, the cattle will be sold on a carcass merit formula to one processor. You will receive payment based upon carcass merit and a Carcass Data Sheet that includes carcass data and the dollar value of each carcass. It is typical to sell a consignment of calves in five groups over a period of 70 days.

After the last animal in your consignment has been sold, you will receive a lot closeout report that includes the Lot Closeout Summary, Individual Animal Closeout listed in order of adjusted net return per animal. This closeout report is a valuable tool to help you evaluate your herd, and make culling and genetic decisions. Experienced managers from Decatur County Feed Yard will assist you in interpreting your closeout to evaluate your cowherd. A reasonable fee is charged to cover the additional management of tracking, sorting, the superior value based grid, electronic ear tag, carcass collection, and individual animal close-out.

You see the problem MoGal is that the naysayers and doomsdayers on this site don't want it done to THEIR cattle. :roll: They want to ID and test and force every other animal on this planet that enters the US to jump through the hoops and hurdles of accountability EXCEPT American because because many of them don't want to be held accountable for what they sell and don't want to know how they measure up? Their involvement in the beef value chain ends when they sell their calves and they don't want to hear any more about them.

As Oldtimer says "we raise cattle not BEEFS"!!!!!!!! :roll:

 

[Anonymous]

I guess Canadians better write off Korea as a possible export market- since they are against M-COOL or telling folks the truth about where their product comes from- eh Bill :???:


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General News
S. Korea to implement COOL for imported rice, beef

By Tom Johnston on 7/2/2007 for Meatingplace.com




South Korean officials said Wednesday the country will enforce strict country-of-origin disclosure rules for imported rice and beef sold in local restaurants, Yonhap reported.

To take effect next year, the new rules would require all restaurants above certain floor space amounts to inform customers of the origin of rice and beef, the Ministry of Health and Welfare said. (See Bills proposed in S. Korean parliament brace for influx of U.S. beef, Meatingplace.com, May 18, 2007.)

Violations could result in restaurant closures and prison terms of less than three years. For minor offenses, authorities could levy fines of up to $5,390, according to Yonhap.

The rules do not apply to processed food or noodles, rice cakes and beverages that use rice as the main ingredient.

 

[Bill]

I guess Canadians better write off Korea as a possible export market- since they are against M-COOL or telling folks the truth about where their product comes from- eh Bill :???:


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General News
S. Korea to implement COOL for imported rice, beef

By Tom Johnston on 7/2/2007 for Meatingplace.com




South Korean officials said Wednesday the country will enforce strict country-of-origin disclosure rules for imported rice and beef sold in local restaurants, Yonhap reported.

To take effect next year, the new rules would require all restaurants above certain floor space amounts to inform customers of the origin of rice and beef, the Ministry of Health and Welfare said. (See Bills proposed in S. Korean parliament brace for influx of U.S. beef, Meatingplace.com, May 18, 2007.)

Violations could result in restaurant closures and prison terms of less than three years. For minor offenses, authorities could levy fines of up to $5,390, according to Yonhap.

The rules do not apply to processed food or noodles, rice cakes and beverages that use rice as the main ingredient.

You must have missed what I wrote ealier huh OVI? Although I suppose we should be used to this by now as you have engaged in selective reading and part truths for quite some time on this and several other sites.

I don't know how this could have been much clearer.

:roll:

Canadians are not against mCOOL as long as ALL meat is labeled including US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I welcome the opportunity to lay a package of quality barley fed Candian beef with a Maple Leaf on it along side a package of Eared Southern US beef labeled as such.

The arguement is caused by idiots who think a piece of meat from an animal BORN IN CANADA but fed chicken crap in the US and then slaughtered and labeled in a US plant as product of Canada??????????
One would have to be a complete fool to think that is likely to happen!

Put everything on a level playing field and label it whether US or imported and we'll sure as hell meet you head on.

 

[Anonymous]

Well Bill- the plan is to label it all-- US, Canadian, Mexican, etal-- to finally tell the US consumer the truth of where their product comes from-- just like most of the civilized world has been doing for sometime already...

And would have been doing in our countries if the Packer Mafia didn't control our governments so heavily....

 

[Sandhusker]

Bill, "Canadians are not against mCOOL as long as ALL meat is labeled including US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

That would be relevant if you had a say.

 

[Bill]

Well Bill- the plan is to label it all-- US, Canadian, Mexican, etal-- to finally tell the US consumer the truth of where their product comes from-- just like most of the civilized world has been doing for sometime already...

And would have been doing in our countries if the Packer Mafia didn't control our governments so heavily....

I am sure it is news to many that mCOOL WILL (at least according to Oldtimer here on the Bull Session) include labeling all American Beef as product of the USA.

What happened to your old "we don't need to label US beef because the rest is "mercun" by default" song and dance?

 

[Bill]

Bill, "Canadians are not against mCOOL as long as ALL meat is labeled including US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

That would be relevant if you had a say.

The sad reality is I probably have as much say in it as you!

On second thought I actually have more input than you!

:lol:

 

[Sandhusker]

Well Bill- the plan is to label it all-- US, Canadian, Mexican, etal-- to finally tell the US consumer the truth of where their product comes from-- just like most of the civilized world has been doing for sometime already...

And would have been doing in our countries if the Packer Mafia didn't control our governments so heavily....

I am sure it is news to many that mCOOL WILL (at least according to Oldtimer here on the Bull Session) include labeling all American Beef as product of the USA.

What part of COUNTRY of origin is confusing you, Bill?

What happened to your old "we don't need to label US beef because the rest is "mercun" by default" song and dance?


You're confused - we don't need to ID US beef to label it because of the common sense default.

 

[HAY MAKER]

So how do you keep track of this, INEXPENSIVELY?

Rod, your argument is exactly why the packers don't want COOL...they can no longer ship meat supplies freely across borders so they can pit producers of one country against producers of another.

Ben, MCOOL works...I just finished a piece of salmon my wife bought from Sam's. She bought it because it was a product of USA, not China. With MCOOL on food, countries like China can be held accountable for their products. What I can't understand is why Canadians would be against MCOOL...it should help them sell their superior products!

Canadians are not against mCOOL as long as ALL meat is labeled including US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I welcome the opportunity to lay a package of quality barley fed Candian beef with a Maple Leaf on it along side a package of Eared Southern US beef labeled as such.

The arguement is caused by idiots who think a piece of meat from an animal BORN IN CANADA but fed chicken crap in the US and then slaughtered and labeled in a US plant as product of Canada??????????
One would have to be a complete fool to think that is likely to happen!

:roll:

Put everything on a level playing field and label it whether US or imported and we'll sure as hell meet you head on.

No the argument is caused by idiots that have several cases of both pre and post feed ban,then want to pawn their problems off on the USA cattle man.
I cant believe your gall,canada is still grinding animal parts including SRM's and feeding it to cattle,why dont you take responsibility for your inadequateness,no one is buying into your BS................good luck

 

[Sandhusker]

Bill, "Canadians are not against mCOOL as long as ALL meat is labeled including US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

That would be relevant if you had a say.

The sad reality is I probably have as much say in it as you!

On second thought I actually have more input than you!

:lol:

Sorry if I'm getting too mouthy here, but with all this Illegal alien crap going on with the Mexicans, I'm fed up with foreigners making demands on us and telling us what we need to do in our country.

 

[HAY MAKER]

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P.E.I. cattle industry gets $3.8M to meet new mad cow rules
Last Updated: Monday, July 2, 2007 | 11:58 AM AT
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The federal and P.E.I. governments will spend $3.8 million to help the Island's cattle industry comply with new guidelines aimed at reducing the risk of mad cow disease.

The federal government is spending $80 million across the country to put the new guidelines in place. In P.E.I., it will provide $2.3 million, with the province putting up $1.5 million.

As of July 12, animal parts such as spinal cords will no longer be allowed in animal feed, pet food or fertilizer. Instead, these parts must be incinerated.

"These regulations are fundamental to protect producers from the consequences of cross-contamination in the animal feed system, to secure consumer confidence and to further market-access opportunities," said Foreign Affairs Minister Peter Mackay, who is the federal minister with responsibility for P.E.I.

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These enhanced regulations further demonstrate to the world that Canada is taking this issue very seriously," Mackay said.

What a crock of BS,with all the feed ban violations and cases of BSE canada has had,this should have been done years ago. PEI. is home to Atlantic Beef Products, the largest beef processor in the Maritimes.

All processors must comply with the new regulations. Many are struggling to meet the July 12 deadline.

 

[DiamondSCattleCo]

I cant believe your gall,canada is still grinding animal parts including SRM's and feeding it to cattle,why dont you take responsibility for your inadequateness,no one is buying into your BS................good luck

Hay Maker, you need to research better. We haven't been feeding ruminant to ruminant for years now. The July 12 enhanced ban now removes ruminant by products from ALL animal feeds, including chickens, cats, dogs, fish, etc etc etc.

The US on the other hand is still allowing ruminant to other species. And have no plans to stop allowing the practice.

Rod

 

[DiamondSCattleCo]

Fine. I'll toss it back your way. If you want to sell your product in our country, you make the adjustments. I've identified 37 countries that already have COOL, how are you handling it for them?

They handle it on their own utilizing their own ID programs and databases, as it should be. By the same token, they also don't have the same level of inter-country trade with animals moving back and forth across the border several times in their lifetime.

So right back at'cha: If you truly believe this is a food safety concern, why should another country handle YOUR food safety?

First response; Why wouldn't it?

Because the seafood COOL didn't. US fishermen are on record stating that they wish it had never come into existence due to reduced profits.

Don't take my ongoing diatribe in this thread as being "against COOL". I'm truly not. I'd love to see product of Canada all over US supermarkets. But not at the costs I foresee.

Rod