Black Herefords

[PureCountry]

I had assumed he was coming from the perspective of Oldtimer's earlier point - those red & white calves can quite often be bought much cheaper than the blacks. If you can BUY them cheaper, you're costs could theoretically stay the same and the reds would still be more profitable. That's just how I understood RobertMac's post.

 

[RobertMac]

I had assumed he was coming from the perspective of Oldtimer's earlier point - those red & white calves can quite often be bought much cheaper than the blacks. If you can BUY them cheaper, you're costs could theoretically stay the same and the reds would still be more profitable. That's just how I understood RobertMac's post.

You got it, Purecountry! I should stay away from the big words! :wink: :lol:

 

[passin thru]

You should BLACK out those big words then it will work, huh

 

[katrina]

You guys are a hoot!!!!!!!
No matter the color, may you all make a profit!!!

 

[Denny]

Couldn't have been because they bought them cheaper?

Stole them is more like it.

I sold my 600# black steer's for 1.21 end of october bought back 400# red and hereford steers and heifers for 89 cents average alot of money to be made feeding these calves.

The way I look at it is that if there is a salebarn full of buyers, probably what the bid is on a certain bunch of cattle is pretty much what they are worth for that time and that day. This also goes for horse sales, antique auctions, or anything else. Sure, you can "wish in one hand and do something else in another and see which one fills up first."

Were there other bunches of red and Hereford steers there that day, Denny, that also "sold too cheap"? If so, they should have been bought if there was great opportunity to make fast easy money.

Some of us don't want to run a feedlot or have a butcher shop. This is the precise reason I am trying to raise the type and color of cattle that bring me the most dollars through an auction market. I realize that it is just "perception" that makes black cattle supposedly worth more, but until I find out for a fact that this no longer holds true, I will probably keep raising black cattle.

Denny, I am just using your example as fuel for my arguement, and am not picking on you at all. I am just laying out the issues as I see them.

I don't want to build trailers anymore so feeding cattle look's alot more appealing to me.

As far as these calves around here if it's not black it's 20 cent's cheaper same caliber of black calves that day were 1.10 to 1.20 400# range come fall it won't matter what color they are once they weigh 900#s color does'nt matter here.I am working on buying some land here and the cow/calf deal won't quite make it work so I'm trying other option's.That and I like growing corn so I'll have plenty of feed might just as well feed a pen of feeder cattle as I already have a pen of Bull's and replacement heifers on feed.

In the cow/calf deal the black hided cattle are the only way to go feeder's want them black and black baldies,my buyer will take red angus calves right along also but he won't take a hereford on a dare.

Anyone could come up here and fill a pot with colored calves for a bargain thats how it has always been at our local dishonest market.

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

I had assumed he was coming from the perspective of Oldtimer's earlier point - those red & white calves can quite often be bought much cheaper than the blacks. If you can BUY them cheaper, you're costs could theoretically stay the same and the reds would still be more profitable. That's just how I understood RobertMac's post.

You got it, Purecountry! I should stay away from the big words! :wink: :lol:

So what's the incentive to raise Red calves if they sell for $150 less then blacks just so some trader can make money?

 

[Northern Rancher]

I sell mine on the merit of what's under the hide so I can raise them purple if I like. As far as replacement market-good reds,blacks or baldies of both all sell pretty well. Basing a breeding program on the whims and fancies of an auction mart can be a frustrating deal. Good cattle of any colour don't get stolen too often. The old adage 'If your cryin'-you should be buyin' holds true. If your calf of choice is selling too cheap-pit right in buy a few hundred and get as rich as the other order buyers.

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

I sell mine on the merit of what's under the hide so I can raise them purple if I like. As far as replacement market-good reds,blacks or baldies of both all sell pretty well. Basing a breeding program on the whims and fancies of an auction mart can be a frustrating deal. Good cattle of any colour don't get stolen too often. The old adage 'If your cryin'-you should be buyin' holds true. If your calf of choice is selling too cheap-pit right in buy a few hundred and get as rich as the other order buyers.

i*


I agree with you NR.

R Mac made the statement about the $150 dollars and I would like it explained.
Did you raise Red calves for $!50 less then Black calves?

Or Did you buy Red calves for $150 less then Black calves?

If it was the latter why would anyone want to raise Red calves?

 

[Anonymous]

In the cow/calf deal the black hided cattle are the only way to go feeder's want them black and black baldies,my buyer will take red angus calves right along also but he won't take a hereford on a dare.

Anyone could come up here and fill a pot with colored calves for a bargain thats how it has always been at our local dishonest market.

Denny-- its not only in your area or with just your markets-- I have watched it many times over in many salebarns and for many years--EXCEPT for when the demand for calves is really high ( which I saw mainly only when the border was closed) a local rancher/farmer can bring in a lot of cattle- 1/2 black and 1/2 red- out of pretty much the same bloodlines cows, bulls, everything- and they'll split the lot and pay several cents a pound more for the blacks-- and then if some are hereford looking they'll bring even less by quite a bit more.....When the demand is there, they'll take about anything and be color blind...From talking with my Canadian neighbors and seeing some of their feedlots- it seems the Canadian buyers/feeders are/ have been much more colorblind....

And its not only at the sales yards but even out in the country with the guys contracting-- when they've contracted 62,000 lbs or 100 head that average 620 lbs out of 140-150 head --they'll always cut back the herefords and odd colored first and the reds second- so they can make up straight black loads... I know of one incident this fall (that is now in litigation) that the feedlot backed out of the entire contract- because out of several trailer loads of calves- 2 or 3 that were needed to make the number contracted were red :roll: ... Probably just an excuse to break a contract-- but it happens....

 

[Soapweed]

For many years we have maintained both a black herd and a red herd. In one particular year (2001), we hit the right week and our red steers made the best sale for that day and for the whole fall. The best pot load weighed 658# and brought $102.50. Very few other calves topped the one dollar mark that year. That was one year only. Every other year our black calves have always outsold the red ones. Where our red cattle really sold less than our black ones was in young open cows. Even a two-year-old red heifer that lost a calf would never bring that good "heiferette" premium price that the same aged open black heifer would bring. Instead, any red heiferette would just bring the same price per pound as the older cow market. Our red cattle have always treated us good, but we are going all black just to make life more simple, for better or for worse.

 

[Northern Rancher]

Soapweed you'll have to go baldie in a few years to relax and build a comfortable nest egg for retirement lol.

 

[Soapweed]

Soapweed you'll have to go baldie in a few years to relax and build a comfortable nest egg for retirement lol.

I'm going bald. Does that count? :roll: :wink:

 

[SMN Herf]

Northern Rancher Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:20 pm Post subject:

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I sell mine on the merit of what's under the hide so I can raise them purple if I like. As far as replacement market-good reds,blacks or baldies of both all sell pretty well. Basing a breeding program on the whims and fancies of an auction mart can be a frustrating deal. Good cattle of any colour don't get stolen too often. The old adage 'If your cryin'-you should be buyin' holds true. If your calf of choice is selling too cheap-pit right in buy a few hundred and get as rich as the other order buyers.

You are right NR. If your letting the auction barn owner doing the marketing for you, your cattle may get stolen no matter what color they are.

I have a bull customer who runs Hereford bulls on mostly black cows and some Angus bulls too, but over the past few years the easiest heifers to sell have been the red ones. He recently sold them for $1.05 for 730 lbs picked up at the place. The next are the bladies and then the straight blacks. Everyone has black ones to sell but the baldies are very marketable. And they are dog gentle on top of it.

Brian

 

[Denny]

In the cow/calf deal the black hided cattle are the only way to go feeder's want them black and black baldies,my buyer will take red angus calves right along also but he won't take a hereford on a dare.

Anyone could come up here and fill a pot with colored calves for a bargain thats how it has always been at our local dishonest market.

Denny-- its not only in your area or with just your markets-- I have watched it many times over in many salebarns and for many years--EXCEPT for when the demand for calves is really high ( which I saw mainly only when the border was closed) a local rancher/farmer can bring in a lot of cattle- 1/2 black and 1/2 red- out of pretty much the same bloodlines cows, bulls, everything- and they'll split the lot and pay several cents a pound more for the blacks-- and then if some are hereford looking they'll bring even less by quite a bit more.....When the demand is there, they'll take about anything and be color blind...From talking with my Canadian neighbors and seeing some of their feedlots- it seems the Canadian buyers/feeders are/ have been much more colorblind....

And its not only at the sales yards but even out in the country with the guys contracting-- when they've contracted 62,000 lbs or 100 head that average 620 lbs out of 140-150 head --they'll always cut back the herefords and odd colored first and the reds second- so they can make up straight black loads... I know of one incident this fall (that is now in litigation) that the feedlot backed out of the entire contract- because out of several trailer loads of calves- 2 or 3 that were needed to make the number contracted were red :roll: ... Probably just an excuse to break a contract-- but it happens....

Back when I first started we had a hereford bull in the fall we sold at the local salesbarn all the calves were sired by the same bull.The cows were black and black baldies we ended up with 2 hereford looking calves that year they were as good as the others we got 85 cent's for the black's and 65 cent's for those hereford's.We have'nt used a hereford bull since.I will be this year but only on straight black commercial cows that I know have NO hereford in them.

 

[Hereford76]

I sell mine on the merit of what's under the hide so I can raise them purple if I like. As far as replacement market-good reds,blacks or baldies of both all sell pretty well. Basing a breeding program on the whims and fancies of an auction mart can be a frustrating deal. Good cattle of any colour don't get stolen too often. The old adage 'If your cryin'-you should be buyin' holds true. If your calf of choice is selling too cheap-pit right in buy a few hundred and get as rich as the other order buyers.

i*


I agree with you NR.

R Mac made the statement about the $150 dollars and I would like it explained.
Did you raise Red calves for $!50 less then Black calves?

Or Did you buy Red calves for $150 less then Black calves?

If it was the latter why would anyone want to raise Red calves?

What's the difference?

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

I sell mine on the merit of what's under the hide so I can raise them purple if I like. As far as replacement market-good reds,blacks or baldies of both all sell pretty well. Basing a breeding program on the whims and fancies of an auction mart can be a frustrating deal. Good cattle of any colour don't get stolen too often. The old adage 'If your cryin'-you should be buyin' holds true. If your calf of choice is selling too cheap-pit right in buy a few hundred and get as rich as the other order buyers.

i*


I agree with you NR.

R Mac made the statement about the $150 dollars and I would like it explained.
Did you raise Red calves for $!50 less then Black calves?

Or Did you buy Red calves for $150 less then Black calves?

If it was the latter why would anyone want to raise Red calves?

What's the difference?

If you can't figure out the difference it's no wonder your still raising Herefords.

 

[RobertMac]

R Mac made the statement about the $150 dollars and I would like it explained.

OK, bmr, beings you're the only one that needs it, here's your explanation. Get your dictionary out and look up words like theoretical, hypothetical, example...
I just picked two numbers to make a point.
And I'm sure you missed that. :? :roll:
I'm beginning to understand why Haymaker calls you "Big Dummy"

 

[Hereford76]

i*


I agree with you NR.

R Mac made the statement about the $150 dollars and I would like it explained.
Did you raise Red calves for $!50 less then Black calves?

Or Did you buy Red calves for $150 less then Black calves?

If it was the latter why would anyone want to raise Red calves?

What's the difference?

If you can't figure out the difference it's no wonder your still raising Herefords.

Oops, I must have read it wrong. I thought you asked "did you sell red calves for $150 less"... instead or "raise".

This might be going off on a tangent - but I believe in what I am doing raising herefords. It's not cause I'm half retarded or cause I'm blinded with pride or tradition. The day I see a "black animal" or polled hereford bull that I believe would do me good - maybe then.... but to use them just because I can sell them easier, I guess that just isn't a good enough reason. Although someone did post a picture of a dandy looking black welsch bull on this place somewhere... I need to find that picture again I would like to see that bull in person.

 

[passin thru]

Didn't ya know that all the red breeders started and picked a breed that would lose some money. Heck that was their goal in the first place didn't ya know.

All I can say that if a breeder can figure out how to raise purple polka dot cows and make a living who is one to condemn him because they haven't figured it out yet. Oh, I forgot, it is so fun to make fun of other people because they don't do it like you.

 

[katrina]

Didn't ya know that all the red breeders started and picked a breed that would lose some money. Heck that was their goal in the first place didn't ya know.

All I can say that if a breeder can figure out how to raise purple polka dot cows and make a living who is one to condemn him because they haven't figured it out yet. Oh, I forgot, it is so fun to make fun of other people because they don't do it like you.

Yessssss sir reeeeeee....... Don't you dare raise them f1 baldies..... No money in them........ :roll: :roll: :twisted: :wink: