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gcreekrch said:
Good post FH but I think you may have missed my intent.

Why would a producer go to the extra effort and cost of putting Certified Angus tags in actual Angus sired calves when the rules at the packing house state 50% black hided and to meet a certain grade. If the assn. stood by their Angus sired rule and the grading percentage was the same, would that not make the qualified product worth that much more?


How much Angus does a black Holstein have in it's ancestry?
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CAB and Angus age and source verified cattle are 2 completly different things!!
 
Well that is probably a good thing-

A two line poen

CAB
What a tangled path we lead
When first we practice to deceive

Ok three lines lol. We have a great breed in Angus why do both breed assocuations Canada and U'S feel they have to practice chicanery to promote them. The cattle are for the most part to stand by themselves. I can tag alot of calves with Canadian Angus tags but I can't be bothered with their B'S.
 
I DISAGREE! Nobody is lying! Read what it takes to qualify for CAB! Then choose to take advantage or not! But no one is lying! They aern't claiming it's Registered Angus Beef! :roll:
 
Northern Rancher said:
Well that is probably a good thing-

A two line poen

CAB
What a tangled path we lead
When first we practice to deceive

Ok three lines lol. We have a great breed in Angus why do both breed assocuations Canada and U'S feel they have to practice chicanery to promote them. The cattle are for the most part to stand by themselves. I can tag alot of calves with Canadian Angus tags but I can't be bothered with their B'S.
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I don't see it as chicanery by the angus folks- because when they set up the standards- it pretty much had to have a major black angus influence to qualify ALL the requirements--BUT then everyone else changed their cattle to black to get in on the gravy train....That was the chicanery that I thought worse--trying to pawn off every breed in the world as angus by making them black....Even black charolais :shock: :???: :wink:
 
Did you return the premium you got from CAB calves with no Angus Blood? If not, ya might want to wipe that egg off your chin! That Lying loop can get pretty big when you start throwing it. :wink:
 
Northern Rancher said:
Cargill has graded some of my cattle CAB that had no angus in them-not calling you a loiar you are just misinformed-the lying is from up above.
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I thought you were done argung this?

When you first practice to decieve???


;-}
 
Just stating a fact!!! The feedlot markets the cattle I don't what went where until till I get final grades and closeout. I guess if I'm a crook for that shoot me in the guts. I'm not grinding a breed axe-I'm just saying why should the breed have to do that-I've got more Angus cattle than any other that doesn't mean I have to be happy or bewitched by breed policys-NOW I"M DONE! Now you can call me names for two pages just like always lol.
 
Not to beat a dead horse or anything...... :roll: :roll: :twisted: :P But find out when a where they are picking up cattle for the CAB and take a look what's going.... It's very interestin....(Our baldies wheren't the only ones.)
 
Juan said:
"You guys are missing a bet. There are a lot of free lunches at the various bull sales around the country".

If they want the beef to taste GOOD every time they serve HEREFORD BEEF
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I don't dispute your observations, Juan, but why has the Certified Angus Beef program had so much more success than the Certified Hereford Beef program? :???: :? :wink:
 
Soapweed said:
Juan said:
"You guys are missing a bet. There are a lot of free lunches at the various bull sales around the country".

If they want the beef to taste GOOD every time they serve HEREFORD BEEF
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I don't dispute your observations, Juan, but why has the Certified Angus Beef program had so much more success than the Certified Hereford Beef program? :???: :? :wink:
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Because the beef isnt Angus! Atleast that's what I gather from this forum. :wink:
 
leanin' H said:
I DISAGREE! Nobody is lying! Read what it takes to qualify for CAB! Then choose to take advantage or not! But no one is lying! They aern't claiming it's Registered Angus Beef! :roll:
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LH I have a call in to my grader friend whom I suspect can supply me with a document so I can read it and determine the standards that state the % angus blood required and protocols and procedures to be exercised by the graders to determine whether or not the standards are met and then verify CAB certification or not.

Unless some of the more outspoken CAB patriots would like to jump at the opportunity to defend the honor and integrity of the CAB brand by posting the supporting document, paragraph, sentence or whatever, then no one would have to wait. :-) :-) :wink:
 
The eight carcass
specifications developed in
1978 still have the same effect on black
cattle. Cattle with less Angus influence
are less likely to make the cut. With just
one out of five or six Angus-influence
cattle meeting CAB carcass
requirements, the only sure way to have
success is to go with carcass-proven
Angus progeny.
Despite the incentives to use
selective breeding, specifications for the
brand have never required a certain
percentage of Angus in a calf's pedigree.
The U.S. cattle herd is primarily
crossbred, and CAB was built on the
proven fact that Angus-sired calves from
those cows do a great job of hitting the
brand's target.
At face value, the CAB mission is to
increase demand for registered Angus
cattle. But, in light of the demanding
quality specifications, the brand has a
more positive effect on the value of those
Angus cattle with above average carcass
genetics. The idea was to create a valuebased
market for the cattle that bring
consumers a quality eating experience.
http://www.angusbeefbulletin.com/ArticlePDF/ABB1004_CAB%20Link.pdf

We worked for Fred Johnson for a number of yrs, he was one of several who were the driving force behind CAB, when the program started it didn't go so well and the AAA was going to scrap it, Fred offered to buy it outright, they decided to keep trying, and obviously suceeded...just a little more useless trivia for you Dylan!! :wink:
 
Yanuck said:
The eight carcass
specifications developed in
1978 still have the same effect on black
cattle. Cattle with less Angus influence
are less likely to make the cut. With just
one out of five or six Angus-influence
cattle meeting CAB carcass
requirements, the only sure way to have
success is to go with carcass-proven
Angus progeny.
Despite the incentives to use
selective breeding, specifications for the
brand have never required a certain
percentage of Angus in a calf's pedigree.
The U.S. cattle herd is primarily
crossbred, and CAB was built on the
proven fact that Angus-sired calves from
those cows do a great job of hitting the
brand's target.
At face value, the CAB mission is to
increase demand for registered Angus
cattle. But, in light of the demanding
quality specifications, the brand has a
more positive effect on the value of those
Angus cattle with above average carcass
genetics. The idea was to create a valuebased
market for the cattle that bring
consumers a quality eating experience.
http://www.angusbeefbulletin.com/ArticlePDF/ABB1004_CAB%20Link.pdf

We worked for Fred Johnson for a number of yrs, he was one of several who were the driving force behind CAB, when the program started it didn't go so well and the AAA was going to scrap it, Fred offered to buy it outright, they decided to keep trying, and obviously suceeded...just a little more useless trivia for you Dylan!! :wink:
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Aren't those two statements rather contradictory :?
 

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